why cant other companies use better materials for thier phones like apple?

[WelshBloke]

I can't see this being anything more than a user error in terms of bending. I watched a video on youtube, and the kid sounded like he probably wore skinny jeans and had the phone vertically in his pocket. If the phone was horizontal it wouldn't bend simply because there isn't enough leverage.

Basically, wear looser jeans and stop sitting on your phones. I have had mine 3 weeks now, still as straight as an arrow.

Can't tell if trolling or serious.

 

[zaydq]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pLv0hgThfI

^Video of iphone 5 bending issue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mkhuX9riSo&feature=relmfu

^Same teenager who did the video on the bending issue.

I don't think I'm trolling. How else would a phone bend without having strain on it?

 

[WelshBloke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pLv0hgThfI

^Video of iphone 5 bending issue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mkhuX9riSo&feature=relmfu

^Same teenager who did the video on the bending issue.

I don't think I'm trolling. How else would a phone bend without having strain on it?

It was because you said the guy sounded like he wore skinny jeans therefore there was no issue with the iPhone bending.

It like you only think you're allowed to own an iPhone if you sound right. :biggrin:

The fact it bends when theres strain on it is part of the issue. I suppose the main issue is how much strain is acceptable. I have never heard of a phone bending because it was kept in someones pocket before. Regardless of how they sound or how tight their jeans are.

 

[ControlD]

I get it. With the antenna issue it was because people were holding the phone wrong. The camera issue is because people are pointing the phone wrong. With the bending issue it will be because people are putting it in their pants wrong. Makes perfect sense.

 

[zaydq]

It was because you said the guy sounded like he wore skinny jeans therefore there was no issue with the iPhone bending.

It like you only think you're allowed to own an iPhone if you sound right. :biggrin:

The fact it bends when theres strain on it is part of the issue. I suppose the main issue is how much strain is acceptable. I have never heard of a phone bending because it was kept in someones pocket before. Regardless of how they sound or how tight their jeans are.

Thin and long, it's no surprise it bends. If the strain is applied while it is veritcal then it will most definitely bend. A GSIII probably wouldn't due to it's width and size, it'd be harder to bend it. I still think that the bending issue is a user error and needs no further discussion.

I'm allowed to afford anything my pockets are deep enough for. I'm not trying to sound right, but come on, nothing bends without abuse.

 

[zaydq]

I get it. With the antenna issue it was because people were holding the phone wrong. The camera issue is because people are pointing the phone wrong. With the bending issue it will be because people are putting it in their pants wrong. Makes perfect sense.

Personally, those issues are not really my concern to argue over. But the bending situation is silly, its happening to very few people, and for the majority, their phones are remaining straight. So how on earth can you blame a phone for it when its an issue that is hardly a concern to the majority?

Clearly there is something the owners are doing that should not be done. Before anyone decides to call me a fanboy, I've been optimistic about the iPhone 5 and the GSIII, but when people decide to blame a product/manufacturer for their own errors, it gets under my skin.

 

[WelshBloke]

Thin and long, it's no surprise it bends. If the strain is applied while it is veritcal then it will most definitely bend. A GSIII probably wouldn't due to it's width and size, it'd be harder to bend it. I still think that the bending issue is a user error and needs no further discussion.

I'm allowed to afford anything my pockets are deep enough for. I'm not trying to sound right, but come on, nothing bends without abuse.

I'm pretty certain if anyone had started a thread before the iPhone 5 was released saying "I bet that phone bends if you put it in your pocket wrong" absolutely no one would have agreed with them.

Why compare it to the SGS3, has any phone before this been bendy?

 

[zaydq]

Because the gs3 is the direct competitor to the iPhone 5 and it would have naturally been brought up by someone else. I still maintain it is user error.

 

[MrX8503]

Thats bull. If they wanted they could have put some thicker vertical areas to reinforce the structure or put a strut made of a stronger material inside.

I'm still not convinced that floppy iPhones are a widespread problem though.

How are they going to do that? The physical dimensions wouldn't be the same as we have now.

 

[WelshBloke]

Because the gs3 is the direct competitor to the iPhone 5 and it would have naturally been brought up by someone else. I still maintain it is user error.

If this is happening as described (and it's still a big if) then it's not user error. A phone should not bend when you put it in your pocket.

Again, has any other phone done this?

 

[khha4113]

But seriously, when you go into an Apple store and pick up a phone, give it a good squeeze or a good bend in your hand, it feels VERY solid.

Rattle noise of Iphone 5

http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/25/sc...pples-iphone-5-qa-leaves-a-lot-to-be-desired/

I’m clearly not the only one with these problems. Apple’s own discussion forums are full of complaints about scratches right out of the box. There are also plenty of reports about loose batteries, bad screens and other issues.
We already know that something is rotten in the land of Foxconn, so it’s hard not to wonder if some of these issues aren’t starting to affect Apple’s ability to produce its phones with the quality we’ve come to expect.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4352474?start=0&tstart=0

Tap on the top of my iPhone 5 and you get a rattling sound from inside the hardware. Wouldn't be horrible but it effects two other things. First when I speak with someone, if they talk even slightly loudly, I can hear the piece inside rattle, creating a horrible metallic sound. Second when my phone vibrates, it has a very harsh sound. I took my phone to the Genius bar just now and they checked other iPhone 5's in stock -- they all rattle. The Genius told me, "I don't know what to tell you." If this is normal, I'll return it. This can't be intended...​

 

[TuxDave]

Rattle noise of Iphone 5

http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/25/sc...pples-iphone-5-qa-leaves-a-lot-to-be-desired/

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4352474?start=0&tstart=0

lol, the top comment in one of the articles is:

"Alan Carl Brown · Top Commenter · San Jose, California
Its almost as if whoever was insisting on perfection is no longer with the company."

 

[zaydq]

I don't seem to have the rattle issue. Sounds like Foxconn employees are getting upset eoth their employment terms.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

How are they going to do that? The physical dimensions wouldn't be the same as we have now.

I've repeatedly said that while Apple likes to focus on z-height, and so do other companies, I don't mind that extra 1mm or so if it buys me 30% more battery, a stronger build quality, and better components. If going 1mm more can still allow you to be a super thin smartphone, you can have a better camera module, better build, more battery, etc.

Apple could've gone with a thicker material. Anyone know how thick the Al shell is?

 

[slashbinslashbash]

With regard to "scratchgate" or whatever they're calling it... it seems that the side band/bezel is the most prone to scratching. I have seen this part of the phone referred to as "just painted metal" as opposed to the anodizing on the back. Is this true? Is it aluminum like the back, or stainless steel? (Reason why I ask is, I think it must not be aluminum if they decided not to anodize it.) 'Cause this would be a good explanation why it's the first part to get scuffed up.

I'm thinking that a good way to pre-empt the issue would be to take a polishing pad to it, take off all the paint and just have a shiny bezel. Or a wire brush to get a brushed look like on the back. As far as I can tell, the white iPhone 5 comes with bare metal, and I don't think I've seen as many complaints about scratches on the white ones.

 

[QueBert]

when you have a few reports of phones bending out of millions that have been sold. I think that's the definition of user error. This is a non issue.

 

[badb0y]

I workout with my phone in my pocket so if there was any bending issue, I would be one of the first ones affected by it.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

when you have a few reports of phones bending out of millions that have been sold. I think that's the definition of user error. This is a non issue.

I think Apple products tend to have a lot of coverage. And a lot of users will make noise if things go wrong. Furthermore the press will focus on any negative Apple sentiments.

Meanwhile the Nexus S had horrible antenna issues too and no one made a fuss about the death grip.

I'd like to see actual data on failure rates. I work as an engineer in the manufacturing field, and we deal with quality systems, sampling, etc. If you're saying the scuffs are making it past QC and their sampling plans are damn strict, then it could be a very small issue. But I hate it when it's just a shouting contest, because it's always easy to point to an Apple issue and then blow it up to seem like a global issue.

Ok my comments above apply to scuffs. But as to bending, I'd like to see bend data. What's the thickness of the iPhone. What level of stress is needed to bend it and plastically deform it? This information is necessary. It could be user error or it could be a REAL problem.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pLv0hgThfI

^Video of iphone 5 bending issue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mkhuX9riSo&feature=relmfu

^Same teenager who did the video on the bending issue.

I don't think I'm trolling. How else would a phone bend without having strain on it?

God that guys voice is annoying.

 

[pandemonium]

Not surprising, I mean it's built by Foxconn which builds a ton of other stuff and none of "those other devices" are touted to be so perfect. Funny eh?

Apple makes the call on the materials being used, the design, and the severity of quality control. Foxconn manufacturers and quality controls for plenty of other devices and manufacturers, yet we don't hear much about their failures. Logic dictates it's not Foxconn at fault here.

 

[zaydq]

Apple makes the call on the materials being used, the design, and the severity of quality control. Foxconn manufacturers and quality controls for plenty of other devices and manufacturers, yet we don't hear much about their failures. Logic dictates it's not Foxconn at fault here.

I guess the riot they had at the assembly plant where they make the iPhone 5 is definitely not a before or aftermath of shoddy QA and workamanship?

 

[pandemonium]

I guess the riot they had at the assembly plant where they make the iPhone 5 is definitely not a before or aftermath of shoddy QA and workamanship?

And the iPhone 5 is the only device they've made since then?