Why can't my new Asus P5N32 NF4 SLI Intel OC worth a crap

[Altimeter88]

Also you mentioned Opteron, wouldn't an X2 OC'd be better than a Opteron OC'd? Isn't the Opteron the mobile proc. similar to the Pentium M? Anyway I thought those were single core and better for general performance at lower clocks but they were still slower than dual cores. Anyway I will do some research.

OK I found this:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=28&threadid=1720063&enterthread=y

 

[Altimeter88]

OK well before going to bed tonight I decided to test a few things:

Pulled the SB Fatal1ty but didn't help. I tried overclcocking with the RAM at 533 not 667 and a 915 FSB (3.2Ghz) but I couldn't boot into windows, it locked up.

I then swapped the RAM out with another stick that I have that is 667 and ran it at 533 too, didn't help.

I was able to boot windows with the sytem running at 3.0Ghz and I tried to verify what my PCI bus was set to but I don't have an app that will show that info. I would really like to know if upping my FSB is also upping my PCI bus and causing problems with my SATA raid setup etc.

So i put everything back and am running at 2.8Ghz again :frown:

The only thing really left to do is put my other P4D 820 into this MB and rule out a processor problem, it that doesn't work can you suggest anything else?

 

[ribbon13]

I bet you the reason the BIOS situation for your board is kinda borked is because ASUS is having the BIOS programmers spend more time on the board I linked instead, because there are a lot more enthuisiasts with AMD chips than Intel, so a lot more AMD boards get bought, thus a lot more AMD users running into problems, therefore it's wiser for them to appropiate more time/money to the AMD board.

I also bet you could get an Opteron 175, the A8N32-SLI, and 2GB of OCZ DDR500 for very little if you recoup costs by selling those 2 intel boards, the intel chip, and the geil sticks.

 

[Capt Caveman]

OP - I got something for you to try. I know for my Asus mobo, I had to go into the bios and manually set the Access Mode for my raptor from Auto to Large in order to get it to boot when overclocking. I thought you were having issues even posting so I didn't suggest this before. Even though my Asus is an AMD board, I wonder the combination of Asus/Nvidia Chipset may cause a similar problem like me.

 

[abs0lut3]

Geez people!

I read all the answers on this forum and I don't see one people answer his question.

Sir,

with all due respect, I don't not own this board but according to the Anandtech test on your particular board http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2580&p=2, the minimum spec for PCI-X is in fact 100mhz. Therefore, I believe, where the number you should start with.

I also read on Asus Forum that if you have a power supply that comes only with one +12 lane, the motherboard will not get enough Vcore as you can find http://vip.asus.com/forum/bbs.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=P5N32-SLI%20Deluxe

I wish people in this group would more civilized than mocking what other people have and answer in a respectable manner.

I wonder how do they feel if they were in his shoes?

 

[ribbon13]

I applaud your civilized pacificism, but dear lord learn how fuse-talk links work

Minus extra spaces: [ L = TEXT ] URL [ / L ]

And so you provide the possible problem. OP needs a decent dual rail PSU because Asus designed their 8-phase CPU power around it. That made me take a look at the specs for what he has now: Wow! 22A max 12v! I'd have never thought the OPs Intel space heater could have done so well on it, even with the old heating element controller board.

I'd test with a friend's dual12v PSU first, but if that is ineed the problem: Recommendation

 

[Capt Caveman]

The OP does have his PCI-e frequency set to 100.

And even with a 22A 12v rail, he should be able to oc 100mhz which he can't. Plus, from the reviews, the 8-phase power actually requires less power to run a system.

Originally posted by: abs0lut3
Geez people!

I read all the answers on this forum and I don't see one people answer his question.

Sir,

with all due respect, I don't not own this board but according to the Anandtech test on your particular board <a href="http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2580&p=2">here</a>, the minimum spec for PCI-X is in fact 100mhz. Therefore, I believe, where the number you should start with.

I also read on Asus Forum that if you have a power supply that comes only with one +12 lane, the motherboard will not get enough Vcore as you can find <a href="http://vip.asus.com/forum/bbs.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=P5N32-SLI%20Deluxe">here<a/>

I wish people in this group would more civilized than mocking what other people have and answer in a respectable manner.

I wonder how do they feel if they were in his shoes?

 

[secretanchitman]

well, at least we are getting somewhere now.

now it seems like your mobo isnt getting enough juice from your PSU. swap it out for a "brand-name" PSU.

and do the ol' switcheroo with your 820's...see if one works in the other. and try your 955x with them also. i honestly feel that you just need a bios update and you will be set.

just my 2 cents.

good luck!

 

[Markfw]

OP: as to your question on Annie, that is an AVI file personally captured from my sons high school play that I help build the set for, taped the production, and then created a DVD for the school. This was the raw avi capture (20 gig), so you couldn't test it yourself.

As for your PSU problem, it looks like they may have found your problem. These suckers do take a lot of juice ! I have a Fortron 450 in mine, and just a regular PCI 1 meg dinosaur video card. When I tried to put in a PCI-express card, I had to take it down some on the OC, not enough juice ! Again another reason you might think about cutting your losses and getting an X2 or dual-core opteron (170 or 175). They take too much power ($ electric bill) heat the house too much (more $ AC) and still can't touch the X2's in performance even OC'ed. I figured It would need to get to 4.4 ghz or so to match my X2@2550 based on my personal benchmarks.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: abs0lut3
Geez people!

I read all the answers on this forum and I don't see one people answer his question.

Sir,

with all due respect, I don't not own this board but according to the Anandtech test on your particular board <a href="http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2580&p=2">here</a>, the minimum spec for PCI-X is in fact 100mhz. Therefore, I believe, where the number you should start with.

I also read on Asus Forum that if you have a power supply that comes only with one +12 lane, the motherboard will not get enough Vcore as you can find <a href="http://vip.asus.com/forum/bbs.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=P5N32-SLI%20Deluxe">here<a/>

I wish people in this group would more civilized than mocking what other people have and answer in a respectable manner.

I wonder how do they feel if they were in his shoes?

It is nice to see who cannot read either...I already stated that above and the op has already stated he upgraded to a PSU with dual rails...

 

[xtknight]

Check your PCI/SATA/etc locks. I have the same problem with my A8N-SLI D. I think setting PCI frequency to 33 or 66, something like that, helped. Mess around with that PCI frequency setting. One of the settings did it for me. Have to be careful though, 'cause if you O/C without the SATA locked the SATA is going to get bumped up and may damage transmission between your HD and mobo. That's what happened to me and I didn't realize it. Had to reinstall XP. I think flashing my BIOS to the latest version also fixed some O/C problem with my board, but that may just be for the A8N-SLI D. I couldn't tell you for sure if it fixed it because I don't overclock on a daily basis.

Jesus P Christ...the AMD fanboyism in this thread (and I'm saying this as a happy A64 owner). :roll:

 

[Altimeter88]

OK I will do the following:

I will swap 820 chips tomorrow when I get a chance since I am working today. If that doesn't change anything I will swap PSUs.

I need a new PSU anyway for another system so I will get a new 12V dual rail PS
I will likely get one of the following:

Enermax 600W
SeaSonic S12 600W
SilverStone 600W 12V Quad Rail Modular

Now heat is absolutly not an issue, I have the Zalman heatpipe Copper CPU fan that barely even gets warm to the touch. It rivals water cooling setups and is quiet. Asus reports my CPU tems a deg or two below my MB temps until I get to playaing a game, even then it doesn't get over 50 deg C. So heat is not an issue.

 

[xtknight]

You may want to give ClockGen a try. Since your mobo isn't listed as supported, don't use this to change or set any voltages or clocks, but the reading may work if your board is similar enough to the others listed. ASUS has AI Booster which may give you readings of your PCI/PCI-E/SATA frequencies. It's worth a try before you put down the money to a new PSU.

http://www.cpuid.org/clockgen.php

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Check your PCI/SATA/etc locks. I have the same problem with my A8N-SLI D. I think setting PCI frequency to 33 or 66, something like that, helped. Mess around with that PCI frequency setting. One of the settings did it for me. Have to be careful though, 'cause if you O/C without the SATA locked the SATA is going to get bumped up and may damage transmission between your HD and mobo. That's what happened to me and I didn't realize it. Had to reinstall XP. I think flashing my BIOS to the latest version also fixed some O/C problem with my board, but that may just be for the A8N-SLI D. I couldn't tell you for sure if it fixed it because I don't overclock on a daily basis.

Jesus P Christ...the AMD fanboyism in this thread (and I'm saying this as a happy A64 owner). :roll:

I already suggested that one as well...


OP...I would get the seasonic...hnads down one of the best you can buy...

 

[Altimeter88]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Check your PCI/SATA/etc locks. I have the same problem with my A8N-SLI D. I think setting PCI frequency to 33 or 66, something like that, helped. Mess around with that PCI frequency setting. One of the settings did it for me. Have to be careful though, 'cause if you O/C without the SATA locked the SATA is going to get bumped up and may damage transmission between your HD and mobo. That's what happened to me and I didn't realize it. Had to reinstall XP. I think flashing my BIOS to the latest version also fixed some O/C problem with my board, but that may just be for the A8N-SLI D. I couldn't tell you for sure if it fixed it because I don't overclock on a daily basis.

Jesus P Christ...the AMD fanboyism in this thread (and I'm saying this as a happy A64 owner). :roll:

The problem is that there is no PCI 33.3Mhz lock option or SATA lock option anywhere in this thread. So I am suspicous that when I up the FSB that other components that are getting overclocked too. On all the other boards that I have used there has been that option to lock the AGP and PCI bus so that they do not get OC'd.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Altimeter88
The problem is that there is no PCI 33.3Mhz lock option or SATA lock option anywhere in this thread. So I am suspicous that when I up the FSB that other components that are getting overclocked too. On all the other boards that I have used there has been that option to lock the AGP and PCI bus so that they do not get OC'd.

I'll be right back...I think it's under some weird name. Let me check my BIOS real quick.

 

[xtknight]

OK...these settings are working for my A8N-SLI D. IIRC, my A8N-SLI D would not overclock to 201 MHz FSB before.

in the 'DRAM configuration' I have 333 MHz maximum set (4x512 MB). You'll want to set 400 MHz though, because the P4s don't have to go to 333 MHz to support 4 512 sticks, they work 400 MHz with everything, AFAIK.

ASUS AI Overclock: Manual
PCI-E frequency: 100 MHz
PCI Synchronization: 33.33 MHz
FSB: 202 MHz

I have confirmed it as working. Frequency is 2222.7 Mhz vs. default 2200 MHz. That makes sense. 2 MHz x 11 Multiplier is 22 more MHz.

My memory is at 202 MHz despite what's in that DRAM config page as 'max memory clock'. Not sure what that does...

HTT (FSB on P4) also at 202 MHz.
Multiplier default at 11x.

Timings are 2.5-3-3-15. Default I guess, I don't know. I'm sure those could be tightened a lot but I didn't bother to set them manually in the settings. You'll want to tighten them.

If you do PCI synchronize to CPU I'm pretty sure that unlocks it. If you do 33.33 MHz it stays at 33.33 MHz no matter what, thus locking it. Try that. As for SATA, I'm really not sure.

 

[Altimeter88]

Well it looks like I will need to wait for a BIOS update because there is no option to lock the PCI bus in my BIOS.

 

[Capt Caveman]

OP - is your issue overclocking with this board, that it doesn't boot-up into Windows after it posts? If yes, I suggest that you make that setting change to your raptors in the bios. It can't hurt to upgrade your psu but b/c you could overclock w/out issues on the P5WD2(4-phase and more power hungry), I don't believe your new motherboard would need more juice based on the reviews suggesting that the new 8-phase power design actually require less power. Just my two cents.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
OP - is your issue overclocking with this board, that it doesn't boot-up into Windows after it posts? If yes, I suggest that you make that setting change to your raptors in the bios. It can't hurt to upgrade your psu but b/c you could overclock w/out issues on the P5WD2(4-phase and more power hungry), I don't believe your new motherboard would need more juice based on the reviews suggesting that the new 8-phase power design actually require less power. Just my two cents.

:thumbsup:

I agree and the 600watt seasonic I would love would be overkill on an X2 system if you go that route...

 

[xtknight]

Try these settings. I looked at the manual for your mobo, and you're right, there is no PCI frequency option.

AI Overclocking: Manual
FSB Optimize Mode: Disabled
Memory Optimize Mode: Disabled
System Clock Mode: Linked
FSB Clock: 202 MHz
PCIE Frequency: 100.0000
Memory timings: Manual
CAS Latency (CL): 2.5
tRCD: 3
tRP: 4
tRAS: 6
tRC: 8
Address Mode: 1T
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum: Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum: Disabled

Leave all voltages at auto at this point.

Having spread spectrums disabled will give you the best stability because the clock won't modulate.

Tell me if your system POSTs with these settings. If so, does Windows boot fine?

Your mobo is really new, so it's understandable there are no updated BIOSes yet. Just wait a couple weeks, I'm pretty sure they'll have a new one. They usually do very quickly. My board was brand new and they immediately had updates.

 

[Mik3y]

Originally posted by: Altimeter88
Read this Tom's Article and explain to me why I would want to spend all the extra money on the X2 (it usualy takes an $800 X2 4800+ to beat the P4 840 in the various benchmarks), and on top of that have the potential bug related issues with nForce?

Why are you comparing the X2 4800+ wtih an overclocked P4? It makes more sense to compare it with something more along the same class or at least an X2 3800+ oc'd to 2.4GHz vs the P4 at 3.2GHz. $800 vs $250? Such BS. As for having more issues due to MB/chipset, prove it. Everyone knows that Tom's Hardware is extremely biased towards Intel and that they tend to exaggerate, sometimes to a higher degree even.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
OP - is your issue overclocking with this board, that it doesn't boot-up into Windows after it posts? If yes, I suggest that you make that setting change to your raptors in the bios. It can't hurt to upgrade your psu but b/c you could overclock w/out issues on the P5WD2(4-phase and more power hungry), I don't believe your new motherboard would need more juice based on the reviews suggesting that the new 8-phase power design actually require less power. Just my two cents.

:thumbsup:

I agree and the 600watt seasonic I would love would be overkill on an X2 system if you go that route...

I have a 4400+ at 2750 and a Seasnoic 600.
You viscious troll. How dare you personally insult me in such a way.

And yes, I am kidding. Duvie has helped me out in the past, good guy.

 

[abs0lut3]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: abs0lut3
Geez people!

I read all the answers on this forum and I don't see one people answer his question.

Sir,

with all due respect, I don't not own this board but according to the Anandtech test on your particular board <a href="http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2580&p=2">here</a>, the minimum spec for PCI-X is in fact 100mhz. Therefore, I believe, where the number you should start with.

I also read on Asus Forum that if you have a power supply that comes only with one +12 lane, the motherboard will not get enough Vcore as you can find <a href="http://vip.asus.com/forum/bbs.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=P5N32-SLI%20Deluxe">here<a/>

I wish people in this group would more civilized than mocking what other people have and answer in a respectable manner.

I wonder how do they feel if they were in his shoes?

It is nice to see who cannot read either...I already stated that above and the op has already stated he upgraded to a PSU with dual rails...

Wow, you're really good on putting down people aren't you?

I'm sorry but I don't see OP upgrading to a dual 12+ anywhere in this thread. Oh, look, I must be blind?

would you mind taking your sarcasm on somebody else? I'm trying to help him with as minimal information as I have on his board yet some people like you just couldn't deal the fact that the guy wasn't following your useless suggestion.

If you don't have anything nice to say....please...go to your corner and shut up?

(this answer obviously applies before OP mention anything about PSU upgrade)

 

[abs0lut3]

EUREKA!!!!!!!!!! :Q :thumbsup:

On page 4-30 on your manual it is stated on "Advanced" BIOS SETUP UTILITY tab that the "PEG Link Mode" functions as:

"Sets the PCI Express graphics link mode. Setting this item to [Auto] allows the motherboard to automatically adjust the PCI Express graphics link mode to the correct frequency based on the system configurantion. Three additional settings are available for overclocking the PEG Link Mode.
Configuration options: [Auto] [Disabled] [Normal] [Fast] [Faster]

There is your LOCK mister Altimeter88.

Good luck and have fun!!