Why can't I make a damn pie crust???

Jeff7181

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This is pissing me off... I followed the directions exactly, and the damn dough is so freakin dry I can't roll it out without it crumbling, so I ad more water like it says to and it's still too crumbly... so I ad more like it says to... and now I have twice as much water in it as it says to put, and it's still too freakin crumbly to roll out! WTF?!?!
 

dman

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I heard the directions on the package of crisco are doable...

But just buy the frozen stuff, or get a cookie crust, etc... nobody will compliment you on the crust anyway.
 

Homerboy

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pie crusts are damn near impossible to pull off.
My wife, a Culinary Arts graduate, chef and pastrie/baking freak just says "F" it and buy the Pillsbury pre-mades. They are freakign GOOD too.

 

gistech1978

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my grandmother could make a good pie crust.
my mother tried for years and could not do it.
get frozen, so much eaiser
 

TheNinja

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So if they are so hard to make.....who makes all the frozen and/or pre-made ones? :confused
 

cherrytwist

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Originally posted by: gistech1978
my grandmother could make a good pie crust.
my mother tried for years and could not do it.
get frozen, so much eaiser

Heh. Same here :)
 

Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
pie crust is hard to make (according to Alton Brown, the best TV chef guy around, IMO)

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I like him too... but his reciepe is even more complicated than the one I'm using... all this calls for is flour, salt, shortening, and water.

My mom can do it just fine (same reciepe) and it always turns out great... MUCH better than any storebought stuff (including the Pilsbury ones)
 

beatle

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Originally posted by: Staley8
So if they are so hard to make.....who makes all the frozen and/or pre-made ones? :confused

Robots. How else do you think they got the name of the show "Iron Chef" Those guys are robots! :p
 

FoBoT

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Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Originally posted by: FoBoT
pie crust is hard to make (according to Alton Brown, the best TV chef guy around, IMO)

linked

I like him too... but his reciepe is even more complicated than the one I'm using... all this calls for is flour, salt, shortening, and water.

My mom can do it just fine (same reciepe) and it always turns out great... MUCH better than any storebought stuff (including the Pilsbury ones)

if you can, try to catch the pie show (I Pie) on a re-run, he explains why it is so hard to make pie crust and talks about the fat molecules and all that scientific stuff that makes pie crust hard to do
 

Kyteland

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How are you mixig the ingredients? I use 2 butter knives to cut everything together. Comes out perfect every time, and the final crust is nice and flaky. :)
 

Kyteland

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
pie crust is hard to make (according to Alton Brown, the best TV chef guy around, IMO)

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I just read that link. Who the hell uses a mixer to make pie dough. :confused:

No wonder it comes out wrong...
 

Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: Kyteland
How are you mixig the ingredients? I use 2 butter knives to cut everything together. Comes out perfect every time, and the final crust is nice and flaky. :)

I'm using one of those wirey things... don't know what you call it =) It's like loops of wire with a handle.
 

AmerDoux

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From Cooks Illustrated/America's Test Kitchen. Been a no-fail recipe for me for years. If your flour is more than 3 months old, toss it. Be careful measuring it. You don't necessarily need to sift, but give it a couple of swirls with a spoon prior to putting in a measuring cup to lighten it up and make sure you don't compact it in the measuring cup.

For One Double-Crust 9-inch Pie

2 1/2 cups (12.5 ounces) unbleached all-purpose flour
1 teaspoon salt
2 tablespoons sugar
8 tablespoons all-vegetable shortening, chilled
12 tablespoons unsalted butter, chilled, cut into 1/4-inch pieces
6?8 tablespoons ice water

1. Pulse flour, salt, and sugar in food processor fitted with steel blade until combined. Add shortening and process until mixture has texture of coarse sand, about 10 seconds. Scatter butter pieces over flour mixture; cut butter into flour until mixture is pale yellow and resembles coarse crumbs, with butter bits no larger than small peas, about ten 1-second pulses. Turn mixture into medium bowl.

2. Sprinkle 6 tablespoons ice water over mixture. With blade of rubber spatula, use folding motion to mix. Press down on dough with broad side of spatula until dough sticks together, adding up to 2 tablespoons more ice water if it will not come together. Divide dough into two balls and flatten each into 4-inch-wide disk. Wrap each in plastic and refrigerate at least 1 hour or up to 2 days before rolling.

Edit: and that wire thing you use is called a pastry cutter. That's what I use too and they turn out great crusts.

 

gistech1978

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Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Originally posted by: Kyteland
How are you mixig the ingredients? I use 2 butter knives to cut everything together. Comes out perfect every time, and the final crust is nice and flaky. :)

I'm using one of those wirey things... don't know what you call it =) It's like loops of wire with a handle.

a whisk
 

Jeff7181

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This recipe I have is from a Betty Crocker cookbook from the 70's, I thought it looked rather simple... no butter or anything... and I thought I remembered my mom refrigerating it like you said, AmerDoux. Maybe I'll try a different recipe tomorrow... maybe not, suddenly pie doesn't sound as good as it did this morning, lol.
 

Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: gistech1978
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Originally posted by: Kyteland
How are you mixig the ingredients? I use 2 butter knives to cut everything together. Comes out perfect every time, and the final crust is nice and flaky. :)

I'm using one of those wirey things... don't know what you call it =) It's like loops of wire with a handle.

a whisk

No... a pastry cutter like AmerDoux said =)
 

AmerDoux

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You can use all vegetable shortening in that recipie. There is a trick to pastry and that is having a light hand. Make sure your flour is light prior to measuring and dont overwork the dough when mixing it up as it will cause it to toughen up. Using a spatula to blend in the water works really well. It keeps the natural oils from your hands out of the dough and keeps it from being overworked. Once you do the last step of refrigerating it, let it stand out at room temp for about 20-30 minutes before rolling it out.

g/l
 

KarenMarie

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make sure the fat is frozen. add liquid slowly. roll out from the center.. not back and forth, just out. and then quarter turn.

:)
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Wait, pie crusts are hard to make? :confused:

You overworked the dough.

Keep everything cold and use a light hand. You aren't making bread, and the fat in the dough can be in small pieces. It should look like coarse meal when you finish combining it.

Gather it into a ball and place it between two pieces of plastic wrap. Flaten it into a disk and refrigerate it for an hour or so to relax the gluten, THEN roll it out.
 

Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Wait, pie crusts are hard to make? :confused:

You overworked the dough.

Keep everything cold and use a light hand. You aren't making bread, and the fat in the dough can be in small pieces. It should look like coarse meal when you finish combining it.

Gather it into a ball and place it between two pieces of plastic wrap. Flaten it into a disk and refrigerate it for an hour or so to relax the gluten, THEN roll it out.

So it's useless now and I should throw it at the birds? =)
 

AmerDoux

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So it's useless now and I should throw it at the birds? =)

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Yes
 

Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: AmerDoux
So it's useless now and I should throw it at the birds? =)

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Yes

LOL... ok, but if I get hounded by animal rights activists I'm blaming you :D