Why can't Congress just repeal the income tax and/or the payroll tax?

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Anarchist420

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I don't understand why they can't because if they repealed at least one of them then spending would have to be reduced drastically.

I particularly hate the payroll tax because it is expensive to keep track of and because it is automatically ~10% of your income taxed away.

I do think that with prices going up like crazy the govt will probably have high income tax receipts for the next fiscal year but that's merely an excuse (not a reason) for the govt to think it can balance its budget.

Anyone else think repealing at least one of them is a good idea?

Anyway, if they don't repeal at least one of them, then the Federal govt may as well start taxing real property for the first time since John Adams was president... I want it to be all or nothing so we can see who was right (Jefferson who would favor no govt) and who was wrong (Hamilton who was a proto-National Socialist).
 
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dennilfloss said:
Taxes = the price of civilization in a modern society.
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LOL, civilization. If you don't pay your taxes, heavily armed government goons dressed in black fatigues will show up at your door to kidnap you and put you in a cage. If you rightly resist, they will execute you on the spot. In other words, pay up or else, just like the Sicilian Mafia.

What's so civil about that?
 
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wait, Anarchist420 doesn't work? The biggest detractor of government assistance on the forum, and he doesn't even have a job? Haha...
 
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Anarchist420 said:
I don't understand why they can't because if they repealed at least one of them then spending would have to be reduced drastically.

I particularly hate the payroll tax because it is expensive to keep track of and because it is automatically ~10% of your income taxed away.

I do think that with prices going up like crazy the govt will probably have high income tax receipts for the next fiscal year but that's merely an excuse (not a reason) for the govt to think it can balance its budget.

Anyone else think repealing at least one of them is a good idea?

Anyway, if they don't repeal at least one of them, then the Federal govt may as well start taxing real property for the first time since John Adams was president... I want it to be all or nothing so we can see who was right (Jefferson who would favor no govt) and who was wrong (Hamilton who was a proto-National Socialist).
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We are running a $1T deficit and spending hasn't been cut. Why do you think an even bigger deficit will equal cuts?
 
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Anarchist420

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dank69 said:
We are running a $1T deficit and spending hasn't been cut. Why do you think an even bigger deficit will equal cuts?
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It wouldn't necessarily result in a bigger deficit because no one would loan to the govt if ~1tn in revenue were cut... the govt would be able to spend ~1Tn less than it could if it had that revenue. Public spending is the problem, the deficit is an illusion because there have been times of low spending and high deficits just as there have been times of high spending and low deficits. The market determines how much revenue the govt gets anyway just as the market sets interest rates.
 
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I agree, The income tax needs to be cut, government has far too much power and there is way too much involvement in our lives
 
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Juror No. 8 said:
LOL, civilization. If you don't pay your taxes, heavily armed government goons dressed in black fatigues will show up at your door to kidnap you and put you in a cage. If you rightly resist, they will execute you on the spot. In other words, pay up or else, just like the Sicilian Mafia.

What's so civil about that?
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Incorruptible said:
I agree, The income tax needs to be cut, government has far too much power and there is way too much involvement in our lives
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Lol too much government involvement? IRS mafia?

Either that's hyperbole or you guys should consider moving to another country, maybe one that doesn't have a government. I hear Libya is nice.
 
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There is no way we could do that and still maintain our current military, much less maintain technological dominance in all fields.
 
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Anarchist420 said:
It wouldn't necessarily result in a bigger deficit because no one would loan to the govt if ~1tn in revenue were cut... the govt would be able to spend ~1Tn less than it could if it had that revenue. Public spending is the problem, the deficit is an illusion because there have been times of low spending and high deficits just as there have been times of high spending and low deficits. The market determines how much revenue the govt gets anyway just as the market sets interest rates.
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We have a $1T deficit and people still loan the government money. What makes you think that people will stop loaning the government money just because we cut taxes even more? Besides, it doesn't seem like government spending is constrained by revenue at all, does it?
 
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Anarchist420 said:
The market determines how much revenue the govt gets anyway just as the market sets interest rates.
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You just keep demonstrating your ignorance of economics and government...Governmental revenue is determined by taxes and fees it takes in. The "market" doesn't determine that at all, but consumer and market activity regulated by the government does determine the money government gets.

The market in a sense does determine the borrowing rates, but that's not revenue.
 
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momeNt

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dennilfloss said:
Taxes = the price of civilization in a modern society.
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Or so you've been brainwashed to believe.

Atheists have long shed the belief that moral conduct was possible without a belief in a higher being, pretty soon many will believe that society and civilization will be capable without the government tax collector and hangman.
 
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ModerateRepZero said:
You just keep demonstrating your ignorance of economics and government...Governmental revenue is determined by taxes and fees it takes in. The "market" doesn't determine that at all, but consumer and market activity regulated by the government does determine the money government gets.

The market in a sense does determine the borrowing rates, but that's not revenue.
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Uhh... Economic activity creates wages and transactions that are taxed or have fees deducted from them. How can you not consider that the market?

Tax rate is set for the year, the year's economic activity creates wages that can then pay taxes, and the government collects. The two go hand in hand.

You are really reaching to find ways to insult the OP. Don't necessarily try harder, just try better next time.
 
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You hate it. LOL. Why do you care? You don't work.
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Is he unemployed or something?

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taxation is theft, if they didn't forcibly steal from you, none of you would donate to the Federal Government of Republicans and Democrats, so why are you ok with them taking it from you at the point of a gun? To much indoctrination it's sad. Society will function without taxes, charities will step up and people will take care of their own. Such a fallacy is it that "the poor won't get fire service if there's no taxes!" how? Why wouldn't someone, especially if they live in the area, not want to provide at minimum volunteer fire services? It makes clear economic sense to be prepared for such things, even at the point of doing it for "free". So you either think poor people are to fucking stupid to manage on their own and you want to run their lives for them or like I've been going on for awhile now you've simply replaced God with Government and you pray at their alter instead.
 
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