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Why can?t Arafat be like Martin Luther King or Gandhi?

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Rison

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This question is for all the terrorist apologists/Arab apologists/liberals/Europeans/anti-semites/sissies

In the face of immense adversity and power, leaders should use their weaknesses as strengths. Arafat is playing the fool by letting Sharon use the terrorism as an excuse not to implement any agreements. If Arafat was like the great leaders that I aforementioned, there would be no hard-line government in Jerusalem. How stupid is this terrorist to let his people be dealt with in such a manner?

The reason is because he constantly confuses his survival with that of his people. He?s also incapable of reasoning and can?t form practical solutions to the current problem.
 
to answer the israeli-sider/wannabe-nazi/terrorist lover:

wouldn't we all want everyone to be like mlk or gandhi?

yes, arafat is a fool for not playing his cards better, but most likely because he's too old.

they need someone with some smarts in there.
 
Arafat believes in his own survival more that the cause that he spouts.
 
you mean he should be killed?

Liquidation is always an option. But he should at least give peace a try. I'm sure Israel is getting tired of neutralizing all those arabs.
 


<< you mean he should be killed?

Liquidation is always an option. But he should at least give peace a try. I'm sure Israel is getting tired of neutralizing all those arabs. >>


I think arabs are tired of liquidating all those israelis too. But apparently neither is tired enough to stand back and start negotiating. This is a huge waste of humans and resourses, but if that's what both of them want to do, let them.
 
Because if he played Ghandi, and just took abuse from Israelis without responding, US would still support Israel. It wouldn't do the Palestinians any good. Right now, the only incentive for Israel to get out of occupied territories is the violence that is brought upon them. Until there is some other pressure on Israel from international community, it makes no sense for Arafat to remove the only bargaining chip he has.
 
Because if he played Ghandi, and just took abuse from Israelis without responding, US would still support Israel. It wouldn't do the Palestinians any good. Right now, the only incentive for Israel to get out of occupied territories is the violence that is brought upon them. Until there is some other pressure on Israel from international community, it makes no sense for Arafat to remove the only bargaining chip he has.

Wow, you must be a psychic. I bet they said the same thing about Gandhi and the British.
 


<< Gopunk, you don't want more MLKs or MGs in this world? WHy not? >>



sorry, i misread what you wrote, i thought you had said "wouldn't we all want to be like mlk or gandhi".

but i still say no, i can only stand so many activists at once.
 


<< Why can?t Arafat be like Martin Luther King or Gandhi? >>



Why can't a porcupine be soft and cuddly like a baby kitten? Arafat simply is what he is, not a MLK or Ghandi, just a murderous thug who has (mainly by default) been elevated to the role of world-annoited spokesman for the Palestinian cause.
 
During the last big round of negotiations, Israel finally said yes to al of the demands - land, Jerusalem, Palstinian state sovierenty, the whole shebang. Arafat looked at them and said NO. Then the palstinians started bombing Israel again. They don't want peace. They don't want Israel. Arafat will never be happy until all the Jews are dead. He talks and hems and haws. Israel is forced by the world to appease and what does it get them - kicked in the face.
 


<< During the last big round of negotiations, Israel finally said yes to al of the demands - land, Jerusalem, Palstinian state sovierenty, the whole shebang. Arafat looked at them and said NO. Then the palstinians started bombing Israel again. They don't want peace. They don't want Israel. Arafat will never be happy until all the Jews are dead. He talks and hems and haws. Israel is forced by the world to appease and what does it get them - kicked in the face. >>



israel said in those negotiations that it were the last negotionations about jerusalem, so the palestinians knew, if they didn't get enough, they wouldn't get another chance.

the proposed state wouldn't be in control of it's water supply, water, which is hard to come by in that region, it would be suicide for a state to fully depend on another nation for something so vital.

third, there was no adequate solution for the refugee problem.

don't put it like israel wanted to give everything, and the murdrous palestinians refused everything.

Aelus
 


<< you mean he should be killed?

Aelus >>



Wow, something Aelus and I actually agree on! It's a first. And prolly a last. 😉
 


<< Wow, something Aelus and I actually agree on! It's a first. And prolly a last. 😉 >>



this is the title:

"Why can?t Arafat be like Martin Luther King or Gandhi?"

both got murdered.

just figured rison meant that, rather than being against violence.

Aelus
 
Rison -- << Why can?t Arafat be like Martin Luther King or Gandhi? >>

The same could be asked about that other murdering terrorist, Ariel Sharon.

Did you happen to catch Charlie Rose's interview with Shimon Perez, a couple of nights ago? As much at fault as Arafat is, he doesn't think much of the way Sharon has handled the situation.

I'm not going to re-post the whole long story about Sharon's history of terrorism (going back to 1953), unless I have to make the point, again. The fact is, right and wrong exist on both sides, but if they don't get their respective heads up their asses and get beyond that and deal with the real issues, they will never resolve their mess.

Until they do, we should cut off all funds to both sides and just offer to help when they are really ready to do something constructive.
 
People, I'm not talking about liquidations this time. I'm serious. WHy can't arafat use his weakness as a strength? He is weak. His people are weak. Anger doesn't solve anything when you have a very powerful military as your enemy. Arafat should practice civil disobedience to get Israel out of the territories.

Trust needs to be returned to both sides. The arabs/terrorists think that violence solves all their problems. They should just put up a white flag and try to talk to israel. Israel may be liquidating a lot of arabs/terrorists via bullets and bombs, but there are other means which we don't see on television every day. Quieter means. Silent silencers.
 


<< People, I'm not talking about liquidations this time. I'm serious. WHy can't arafat use his weakness as a strength? He is weak. His people are weak. Anger doesn't solve anything when you have a very powerful military as your enemy. Arafat should practice civil disobedience to get Israel out of the territories. >>



Where have you been? Arafat *does* use his weakness as a tool...No one across the Muslim world ever hears about any of the things Palestinian suicide bombers do but every time a Palestinian gets injured or a house goes down, it's on every front page from Al Ahram to the Dawn

Even the French have "surrendered" to the victim status of the Palestinians and support everything the Arab world says
 
Damn, I didn't know that. I thought the suicides were front-page news as well.

As for the French, they'll surrender to anything/anyone.
 


<< People, I'm not talking about liquidations this time. I'm serious. WHy can't arafat use his weakness as a strength? He is weak. His people are weak. Anger doesn't solve anything when you have a very powerful military as your enemy. Arafat should practice civil disobedience to get Israel out of the territories.

Trust needs to be returned to both sides. The arabs/terrorists think that violence solves all their problems. They should just put up a white flag and try to talk to israel. Israel may be liquidating a lot of arabs/terrorists via bullets and bombs, but there are other means which we don't see on television every day. Quieter means. Silent silencers. >>



Basically it's a matter of timing. Ghandi and MLK had time to work with. Brittish were not displacing people in India and whites were not about to kick blacks from the US. israelis/occupiers are actively pursuing a policy of building settlements and displacing/killing palestinians. If Arafat pursuis a policy of non-violent resistance, israelis/occupiers will just buldose palestinian homes and slaughter palestinians and build settlements there. Before you know it, they are all going to be refugees. For non-violent resistance to work, you have to be convinced that your enemy will eventually admit they are wrong, and I don't think the Palestinians have faith that Israelis/occupiers will do that any time soon.
 
That doesn't change the fact that Arafat needs to come up with a new game plan. His old one of violence and more violence will never win. The Afro-americans/Indians tried that path but it only ended in bloodbaths. Arafat is playing the fool. He and his arab/terrorist brethren need to lay down the rocks and go to the negotiating table.
 
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