Why call this guy a sniper????????

[sean2002]

I can hit a human size target @ 400 yards with my colt h-bar ar-15, but I'm by no means a sniper quality shooter. Stop callng him a sniper and just call him what he really is, and that is a killer, plain and simple. A good sniper will put a roung in you eye socket @ 500+ yards

 

[Orsorum]

I think they're referring to the style of the killings, not the skill level involved.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

It's a spawncamper.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
It's a spawncamper.

?

 

[Scarpozzi]

I don't get the spawn part, but totally understand the camper part. I think he should come out and have a shoot out with the cops/military and see how much of a man he really is.

 

[stev0]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
It's a spawncamper.

c8... if he was spawncamping he would be sniping people at a hospital.

what zakath said as far as they are calling him a sniper because of the style in which he is killing people.

 

[Aceman]

Originally posted by: sean2002
I can hit a human size target @ 400 yards with my colt h-bar ar-15, but I'm by no means a sniper quality shooter. Stop callng him a sniper and just call him what he really is, and that is a killer, plain and simple. A good sniper will put a roung in you eye socket @ 500+ yards

I'd say from my 16 years in the Army, that if he's getting head shots and he's shooting from 300-400yrds away, on a moving target, he's sniper trained. 400 yards away and 1 shot/1 hit is not as easy as you claim it to be. And, he's using a 5.56mm bullet. They aren't accurate at over 500-600 yards. Now if it's 200 yards or less, that's a different story

 

[Descartes]

Because to the media, it's sexy. Would everyone be as interested in this if it were simply someone randomly killing people at close range? Would people be so intrigued by it if they didn't have "The SNIPER strikes again!" on the headlines?

It's all about the marketing of tragedy.

 

[hevnsnt]

apparently you are not familiar with Media-Sensationalism.. They call him a "sniper" for the same reason they call a kid on AOL who asks for peoples credit cards a "hacker"

 

[sean2002]

Originally posted by: Aceman

Originally posted by: sean2002
I can hit a human size target @ 400 yards with my colt h-bar ar-15, but I'm by no means a sniper quality shooter. Stop callng him a sniper and just call him what he really is, and that is a killer, plain and simple. A good sniper will put a roung in you eye socket @ 500+ yards

I'd say from my 16 years in the Army, that if he's getting head shots and he's shooting from 300-400yrds away, on a moving target, he's sniper trained. 400 yards away and 1 shot/1 hit is not as easy as you claim it to be. And, he's using a 5.56mm bullet. They aren't accurate at over 500-600 yards. Now if it's 200 yards or less, that's a different story

I don't remember the distance he's shooting from. But a head shot @ 200 yards with a cheap wal-mart scope is pretty easy with the soft shooting 5.56NATO

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: sean2002
I don't remember the distance he's shooting from. But a head shot @ 200 yards with a cheap wal-mart scope is pretty easy with the soft shooting 5.56NATO

Apparently the latest one is from less than 40 yards. I also hear, unofficialy, that they are closing in.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Aceman

Originally posted by: sean2002
I can hit a human size target @ 400 yards with my colt h-bar ar-15, but I'm by no means a sniper quality shooter. Stop callng him a sniper and just call him what he really is, and that is a killer, plain and simple. A good sniper will put a roung in you eye socket @ 500+ yards

I'd say from my 16 years in the Army, that if he's getting head shots and he's shooting from 300-400yrds away, on a moving target, he's sniper trained. 400 yards away and 1 shot/1 hit is not as easy as you claim it to be. And, he's using a 5.56mm bullet. They aren't accurate at over 500-600 yards. Now if it's 200 yards or less, that's a different story

He hasn't shot a target from over 150 yards IIRC. I don't know where 400 yards came from, because there is such a huge difference in 150 yards and 400 yards. Like you said the 5.56MM is not made for too much of a long distance.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: sean2002

Originally posted by: Aceman

Originally posted by: sean2002
I can hit a human size target @ 400 yards with my colt h-bar ar-15, but I'm by no means a sniper quality shooter. Stop callng him a sniper and just call him what he really is, and that is a killer, plain and simple. A good sniper will put a roung in you eye socket @ 500+ yards

I'd say from my 16 years in the Army, that if he's getting head shots and he's shooting from 300-400yrds away, on a moving target, he's sniper trained. 400 yards away and 1 shot/1 hit is not as easy as you claim it to be. And, he's using a 5.56mm bullet. They aren't accurate at over 500-600 yards. Now if it's 200 yards or less, that's a different story

I don't remember the distance he's shooting from. But a head shot @ 200 yards with a cheap wal-mart scope is pretty easy with the soft shooting 5.56NATO

The scary and sad part about all of this is that there are so many Americans who can attest to these gun details

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

The scary and sad part about all of this is that there are so many Americans who can attest to these gun details

Why is that sad?

I'd rather people be knowledgeable and informed about guns than be completely ignorant or afraid.

 

[Waveslidin]

[qI'd say from my 16 years in the Army[/quote]



Thank you for your service to our country...it is deeply appreciated.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Waveslidin
[qI'd say from my 16 years in the Army

Thank you for your service to our country...it is deeply appreciated.
[/quote]

I agree.

 

[hevnsnt]

Descartes beat me too it!

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: sean2002

Originally posted by: Aceman

Originally posted by: sean2002
I can hit a human size target @ 400 yards with my colt h-bar ar-15, but I'm by no means a sniper quality shooter. Stop callng him a sniper and just call him what he really is, and that is a killer, plain and simple. A good sniper will put a roung in you eye socket @ 500+ yards

I'd say from my 16 years in the Army, that if he's getting head shots and he's shooting from 300-400yrds away, on a moving target, he's sniper trained. 400 yards away and 1 shot/1 hit is not as easy as you claim it to be. And, he's using a 5.56mm bullet. They aren't accurate at over 500-600 yards. Now if it's 200 yards or less, that's a different story

I don't remember the distance he's shooting from. But a head shot @ 200 yards with a cheap wal-mart scope is pretty easy with the soft shooting 5.56NATO

The scary and sad part about all of this is that there are so many Americans who can attest to these gun details

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

The scary and sad part about all of this is that there are so many Americans who can attest to these gun details

Even more sad and more scary is your lack of knowledge on the topic of guns. I'd rather listen to experts on AT who actually know something about guns, than simply listening to the drivel that the media gives us, as apparently you are happy to do.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: sean2002

Originally posted by: Aceman

Originally posted by: sean2002
I can hit a human size target @ 400 yards with my colt h-bar ar-15, but I'm by no means a sniper quality shooter. Stop callng him a sniper and just call him what he really is, and that is a killer, plain and simple. A good sniper will put a roung in you eye socket @ 500+ yards

I'd say from my 16 years in the Army, that if he's getting head shots and he's shooting from 300-400yrds away, on a moving target, he's sniper trained. 400 yards away and 1 shot/1 hit is not as easy as you claim it to be. And, he's using a 5.56mm bullet. They aren't accurate at over 500-600 yards. Now if it's 200 yards or less, that's a different story

I don't remember the distance he's shooting from. But a head shot @ 200 yards with a cheap wal-mart scope is pretty easy with the soft shooting 5.56NATO

The scary and sad part about all of this is that there are so many Americans who can attest to these gun details

Sad? I think not. This simply tells you that there are many mentally sound people capable of doing such things who don't.

 

[Bulk Beef]

It's all about the marketing of tragedy.

Yup, and it's disgusting. I saw MSNBC's intro to this story on Saturday night, with their flashy crosshair graphics and the dramatic deep-tone voiceover, and it made me sick.

Also, a guy (can't remember his name) who has written several books on police and military sniper training and tactics was on the radio last night, and he said that calling this guy a "sniper" was repugnant. Military and LE snipers go through some pretty heavy screening and mental evaluation, and are some of the most emotionally stable personnel you are likely to find.

This guy is a murderer, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

The scary and sad part about all of this is that there are so many Americans who can attest to these gun details

Even more sad and more scary is your lack of knowledge on the topic of guns. I'd rather listen to experts on AT who actually know something about guns, than simply listening to the drivel that the media gives us, as apparently you are happy to do.

You're being too presumptuous. You don't know anything about me.
You're jumping to conclusions about me based on little or no information.
It's ironic that you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of.....

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

The scary and sad part about all of this is that there are so many Americans who can attest to these gun details

Even more sad and more scary is your lack of knowledge on the topic of guns. I'd rather listen to experts on AT who actually know something about guns, than simply listening to the drivel that the media gives us, as apparently you are happy to do.

You're being too presumptuous. You don't know anything about me.
You're jumping to conclusions about me based on little or no information.
It's ironic that you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of.....

So what exactly is scary and sad about people being knowledgable about firearms?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

The scary and sad part about all of this is that there are so many Americans who can attest to these gun details

Even more sad and more scary is your lack of knowledge on the topic of guns. I'd rather listen to experts on AT who actually know something about guns, than simply listening to the drivel that the media gives us, as apparently you are happy to do.

You're being too presumptuous. You don't know anything about me.
You're jumping to conclusions about me based on little or no information.
It's ironic that you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of.....

What is your point then? I honestly can't read your mind nor remember you exhibiting a past knowledge about the various type of firearms that are available for purchase in the United States.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: sward666

It's all about the marketing of tragedy.

Yup, and it's disgusting. I saw MSNBC's intro to this story on Saturday night, with their flashy crosshair graphics and the dramatic deep-tone voiceover, and it made me sick.

Also, a guy (can't remember his name) who has written several books on police and military sniper training and tactics was on the radio last night, and he said that calling this guy a "sniper" was repugnant. Military and LE snipers go through some pretty heavy screening and mental evaluation, and are some of the most emotionally stable personnel you are likely to find.

This guy is a murderer, nothing more, nothing less.

There is plenty to criticize regarding the media coverage of this event but the facts are these:
The guy started by killing 5 people in Montgomery County Maryland totally at random during a very short time period. That alone was enough to get the attention of this area because it is not a crime of passion nor a botched robbery or drug deal gone wrong. These were 5 folks just out and about their normal daily routine.

Later that evening he randomly shot a guy in Washington DC.

The following day he shot but did not kill a woman 55 miles away from the scene of the original 6 people.

2 days later he lay in wait and shot a 13 year old entering a middle school. All evidence there suggested that he did act in the manner of a sniper by laying in wait for his victim.

He has then gone on to randomly shoot people through out this area with no obvious motive. The death toll now stands at 9 people with 2 others wounded.

If this was taking place in your community you would be following it as closely as we are here because it is a major news story. Since the guy acts in a manner the average person associates with a sniper this is what people here have been calling the attacks and the news medias use of the term reflects that. It really is no more or less than that. So while you can criticize the media hype about this as well as the local stations choice of when to break into network programming vs not reporting the story at all the bottom line is that for now it is the number 1 story here for a very good reason.