Why C++ is not C+

[downhiller80]

I've always wondered this, and now that I've just figured it out (eventually) I'm kinda embaressed I hadn't twigged earlier!

Seb

 

[Thom]

lol been there. once you start to even consider it, it takes a moment then you feel an idiot for not always knowing that.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Only a programmer would know.

 

[Passions]

C evolved from a language called B, so the logical step would to name the newer language, D. But some thought that name was too bland and dry, so they called it C++, which is also a operator in the languague.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Now, try to explain C# (C sharp)

 

[Pretender]

++ basically just increases something by 1

4++ = 5

hence C++ is like C, but uh, plus one.

 

[downhiller80]

What the hell's C# then?? Is that that new MS thing?

Good or crap? The next big thing?

If not what WILL be the next big thing after C++ (barring java)

Seb

 

[Pretender]

C#? no such thing.

There is nothing better after C++ that I know of.

 

C# is the result of Microsoft and Sun's bitch war over Java. C# is a bastardized version of Java created by Microsoft. Microsoft does not admit that it is a Java clone but if you look at the specs it is quite apparent that's what it is.

C# is a big part of Microsoft's new plan of action .NET. C# provides a simple language somewhere between C++ and Visual Basic (hmm, sort of like Java). .NET will provide the library for C# as well as the other members of the Visual Studio 6.0 (VC++, VB). Also, the .NET are supposed support every language on Earth from COBOL to Python.

Microsoft zombies, er developers are going gaga over .NET. Methinks it's a load of marketing bunko. I will stick with Java being it runs on every platform now and day.

Did I mention that Microsoft claims that .NET will run on other platforms sometime soon? Bawhahahaha!!!

 

[hans007]

C++ is good. java is good. C# sucks.

 

[Thom]

more unsubstantiated anti ms bs. Nice to know nothing changes around here

nah, c# is just a ms evolution of c++

and telling everyone why it was c++ not C+ ruined the fun.

 

[downhiller80]

Yeah, that's why I didn't say

I knew that any programmers would figure it out. I twigged when I was using a variable called c in a for loop and actually wrote down c++.

Seb

 

<< nah, c# is just a ms evolution of c++ >>


If you call losing multiple inheritance and a ton of other features an evolution I would hate to see how you did in your science classes.

Plus, last I checked C++ ran on other platforms. Right now C# is only promised by Microsoft to be an open spec. The problem is that even if the core language goes standard, the libraries are still tied to Windows (.NET).

Microsoft, you just can't trust them (paid for by Rick Lazzio).

 

[Thom]

does anyone remember the word sarcasm around here any more?

 

[Howard]

 

[Thom]

 

Sorry, I am incapable of making light of Microsoft's evilness

 

[Descartes]

Are all of you truly this ignorant? Please tell me it isn't so...

Can we get off this MS = evil ignorance? Regurgitating this crap only manifests your true stupidity and inexperience. C# is not a C++ evolution, and it is not meant to take the place of C++. If you have not clue as to what you're talking about (which is obvious), please don't make unfounded accusations, or judgements.

Now, I'm done ranting. For all of you anti-MS people, why not grow up a bit, quit being so myopic, and look at other companies who have done the exact same thing? Have a look-see at Oracle, at Sun, and every other damn company out there that tried to corner the market. You complain about C# being a promise open standard, but then promote Java? What operating system are you running on right now? I can probably safely assume it's an MS derivative, yah? &quot;I run Linux&quot; some of you will say... great, you run a platform that sold out to it's pundits quicker than you could have fathomed.

Just keep an open mind. Stop this anti-MS ignorance and just use the right tool for the job. Making statements like these only makes you look like an amateur.

 

[Thom]

Grow up Frost, theres a good chap.

Remember, m$ oses and software bundles will soon become different things, and then where will your argument be? hmm?


c# came out of c++ and java, it was made by ms, therefore it is in fairness an 'evolution', if a cack-handed one. Not everyone uses m$ oses, and it's this attitude of 'well most people use it' and lack of freedom of use that resulted in the m$ anti trust lawsuit in the first time. Someone at m$ probably said

<< What operating system are you running on right now? I can probably safely assume it's an MS derivative, yah? >>

and now look at the mess they are in

 

[Pretender]

<< and now look at the mess they are in >>

The mess who's in? Microsoft OS users? How do ya figure?

 

[Thom]

nonono, at some point, m$ decided that

<< What operating system are you running on right now? I can probably safely assume it's an MS derivative, yah? >>

and then they began making ie and various things free, software specific, or at least near as dammit specific to m$ oses. Hence the anti trust,

<< the mess they are in >>



What i mean is that when people are rude about m$ making almost proprietary software, Frost is wrong to insult them because that is exactly what got m$ in that predicament in the first place.

as for us users, personally i consider ie a superior platform and want it free, and i'm quite happy with my win2k system thankyou. However, m$ are indeed treading a dangerous path when as people rightly say, c# looks to be seriously bound to winoses because of .NET libraries et al.

good enough answer?

 

[pastee]

I think it's because if it was a C+, people would think it was just average.

The ++ makes the change

 

Frost, you are clearly the inexperienced one here. At least I have taken the time to study the C# specs, white papers and have downloaded the development kit.

After looking over .NET and C# for the past three months I feel that I am totally capable of making an intelligent evaluation of the technology. It sucks.

FYI I am running Windows 98, NT and 2k as well as Linux, Solaris, BSD and, as of this week, MacOS X. I have no need for proprietary technology right now, perhaps you do.

 

[markjrubin]

When Java was first introduced to a group of programmers, someone asked what it was like. The guy said, &quot;It's C++--.&quot;

Mark

 

[downhiller80]

nice one