Why buy friggin' music?!

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: EpsiIon
I don't and wouldn't subscribe to a music service that uses DRM. I think they're insidious and stupid. Perhaps that's part of the reason I have little sympathy for those who use them.

Oh come off it, if this was about itunes you'd join goose in defending DRM :laugh:

My point was not to defend DRM. My point was to pointout the flagrant flaws in the rant made by the OP.

DRM for both wma and aac isn't perfect, but it takes complete ignorance or plain negligence to pay for something without knowing what it is and whether or not you will be able to use it.


As for my stance on DRM, it is annoying, but it is a necesary evil, to an extent.
So many of you Patriots call for the downfall of DRM and yet propose no legal method of music distribution. The content has to be protected, and people WILL try to circumvent the system. DRM, although an infant iteration of future music distribution, is the only legal way popular music has gotten on the internet, and hopefully it will grow into somethign better one day.

Lossless?

Hell, people would still be bitching if lossless was available with DRM. So many of you are stuck in a twisted mentallity that believes that any restriction is the beginning of the end and that ignorance should be rewarded with free goodies.

Punishing people who go by the books while those who don't laugh at everyone involved while taking an extra 3 seconds to do their thing is a necessary evil? It's BS. I don't have an answer, nor do I care, as I don't stand to lose money when people pirate music. I'll leave it up to those who do to suggest something better.

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
EVERY SERVICE CAN BE CIRCUMVENTED VIA A RE_RIP.

Shouldn't have to circumvent protection and waste a disc to manipulate music you own, it's that simple.

cd-rw

 

[KeyserSoze]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: EpsiIon
I don't and wouldn't subscribe to a music service that uses DRM. I think they're insidious and stupid. Perhaps that's part of the reason I have little sympathy for those who use them.

Oh come off it, if this was about itunes you'd join goose in defending DRM :laugh:

My point was not to defend DRM. My point was to pointout the flagrant flaws in the rant made by the OP.

DRM for both wma and aac isn't perfect, but it takes complete ignorance or plain negligence to pay for something without knowing what it is and whether or not you will be able to use it.


As for my stance on DRM, it is annoying, but it is a necesary evil, to an extent.
So many of you Patriots call for the downfall of DRM and yet propose no legal method of music distribution. The content has to be protected, and people WILL try to circumvent the system. DRM, although an infant iteration of future music distribution, is the only legal way popular music has gotten on the internet, and hopefully it will grow into somethign better one day.

Lossless?

Hell, people would still be bitching if lossless was available with DRM. So many of you are stuck in a twisted mentallity that believes that any restriction is the beginning of the end and that ignorance should be rewarded with free goodies.

Punishing people who go by the books while those who don't laugh at everyone involved while taking an extra 3 seconds to do their thing is a necessary evil? It's BS. I don't have an answer, nor do I care, as I don't stand to lose money when people pirate music. I'll leave it up to those who do to suggest something better.

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
EVERY SERVICE CAN BE CIRCUMVENTED VIA A RE_RIP.

Shouldn't have to circumvent protection and waste a disc to manipulate music you own, it's that simple.

cd-rw

I think you're missing the point here. Still too much trouble for something we already own. And I know MANY people that would need a nice walk through on how to do that!




KeyserSoze

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: eakers

Originally posted by: SampSon
I'll never put a single dollar into lossy copies of music.

hehehe i still buy casettes

exactly. I enjoy lossless as much as the next nerd, but there is a limit.

Do I really want a lossless copy of "Ms. Fat booty" by Mos Def?

I am happy to pay $1.00 for the convenience and decent audio quality.

What still confuses me is all these fools that act like it must me lossless or bust.
Don't they realize how subjective that argument its?

Why not restrict oneself to SACDs and DVD-Audio....oh wait, I forgot, those aren't mixed as well because they are new and untapped formates:roll:

Either buy cds, don't buy cds, buy online or STFU.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: KeyserSoze

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
EVERY SERVICE CAN BE CIRCUMVENTED VIA A RE_RIP.

Shouldn't have to circumvent protection and waste a disc to manipulate music you own, it's that simple.

cd-rw

I think you're missing the point here. Still too much trouble for something we already own. And I know MANY people that would need a nice walk through on how to do that!

Yep.

As an aside, I was thinking this could maybe be done with Alcohol 120% or Daemon Tools, no? ie. burn to a virtual cd? Just a thought, something you people who buy from these services could try out.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: KeyserSoze

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: EpsiIon
I don't and wouldn't subscribe to a music service that uses DRM. I think they're insidious and stupid. Perhaps that's part of the reason I have little sympathy for those who use them.

Oh come off it, if this was about itunes you'd join goose in defending DRM :laugh:

My point was not to defend DRM. My point was to pointout the flagrant flaws in the rant made by the OP.

DRM for both wma and aac isn't perfect, but it takes complete ignorance or plain negligence to pay for something without knowing what it is and whether or not you will be able to use it.


As for my stance on DRM, it is annoying, but it is a necesary evil, to an extent.
So many of you Patriots call for the downfall of DRM and yet propose no legal method of music distribution. The content has to be protected, and people WILL try to circumvent the system. DRM, although an infant iteration of future music distribution, is the only legal way popular music has gotten on the internet, and hopefully it will grow into somethign better one day.

Lossless?

Hell, people would still be bitching if lossless was available with DRM. So many of you are stuck in a twisted mentallity that believes that any restriction is the beginning of the end and that ignorance should be rewarded with free goodies.

Punishing people who go by the books while those who don't laugh at everyone involved while taking an extra 3 seconds to do their thing is a necessary evil? It's BS. I don't have an answer, nor do I care, as I don't stand to lose money when people pirate music. I'll leave it up to those who do to suggest something better.

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
EVERY SERVICE CAN BE CIRCUMVENTED VIA A RE_RIP.

Shouldn't have to circumvent protection and waste a disc to manipulate music you own, it's that simple.

cd-rw

I think you're missing the point here. Still too much trouble for something we already own. And I know MANY people that would need a nice walk through on how to do that!




KeyserSoze

I sympathize wit hthat, but MS and Apple both have the processees described STEP BY STEP on their websites.


Think about it from the point of view of a software maker. Is investing in copy-protection wrong?

I understand the argument about copy-protection on CDs, but on online music? How the FVK are they supposed to distribute it without having the average person copy it fgrom another?

It is so easy to criticize. It takes true vision and dedication to propose somethign better.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: eakers

Originally posted by: SampSon
I'll never put a single dollar into lossy copies of music.

hehehe i still buy casettes

exactly. I enjoy lossless as much as the next nerd, but there is a limit.

Do I really want a lossless copy of "Ms. Fat booty" by Mos Def?

I am happy to pay $1.00 for the convenience and decent audio quality.

What still confuses me is all these fools that act like it must me lossless or bust.
Don't they realize how subjective that argument its?

Why not restrict oneself to SACDs and DVD-Audio....oh wait, I forgot, those aren't mixed as well because they are new and untapped formates:roll:

Either buy cds, don't buy cds, buy online or STFU.

There are benefits to lossless other than sound quality. Even if you're fine with compression, having a lossless copy means you can reencode to new bitrates or formats as your interest, equipment and lossy formats change over time.