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Why Biden is pulling the US -- and NATO -- out of Afghanistan

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My fair state is getting 1600 Afghan refugees in this wave. I hope at least one of them opens a restaurant because the Afghan restaurants I've been to in other states have been most excellent.
 
sportage said:
That's my Trumpie family...
They were all over Biden's ass about the evacuation, the deaths, and more so THOSE POOR REFUGEES. Then.... it was announced on local news that the state would accept some of those poor Afghan refugees. Video from the local news stations was aired showing refugees getting off planes at the local airport. Well... THAT did NOT go over very well with cries of foul and oh damn.... more illegals coming into the state, and all kinds of smug anti-refugee remarks from the Trumpies, my Trumpie family. Yes, those same Trumpies who were sooooo sympathetic only two weeks before. But now with those Afghan refugees as seen on TV were actually coming to the Trumpies state, town and cities. That was all it took to expose the Trumpie hypocrisy, the Trumpie faked concern over Afghanistan, and their faked concern for those dead American soldiers because they really did not care about dead American soldiers. They never have in the past.... My family, the Trumpies, the hypocrites.
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That’s how they roll. I bet they were pissed when right wing news told them that Biden had thousands of Afghans evacuated while leaving several hundred Americans behind. Of course they don’t fact check to find out those several hundred Americans had been asked if they wanted to leave and they said no only to change their mind later. They were primarily dual citizens or US citizens that had close ties they didn’t want to leave.
 
IronWing said:
My fair state is getting 1600 Afghan refugees in this wave. I hope at least one of them opens a restaurant because the Afghan restaurants I've been to in other states have been most excellent.
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Right before I moved from OC, CA, I found an Afghan restaurant, loved their kabobs. Hope, some move up to the NW area.
 
IronWing said:
Well, it's been a week, how's Biden doing? I haven't seen any reports of US soldiers killed in Afghanistan this week.
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Hmm, another week has gone by and no US soldiers were killed in Afghanistan this week either. Seems like Biden was on to something.
 
IronWing said:
Hmm, another week has gone by and no US soldiers were killed in Afghanistan this week either. Seems like Biden was on to something.
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Biden was. Just copy what someone else started but then royally screw it up. So is Gen. Milley lying or is Joe biden lying about troop recommendations?
 
brandonbull said:
Biden was. Just copy what someone else started but then royally screw it up. So is Gen. Milley lying or is Joe biden lying about troop recommendations?
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Sounds like you've decided to make another uninformed post. Biden didn't lie neither did milley. Biden was given the option of keeping more troops and it having very little impact or pulling out of an endless war. He chose the later and guys advisors gave him a plan and he executed that plan.

But if you care so much traitor, feel free to take your ass the Afghanistan and continue fighting.
 
ivwshane said:
Sounds like you've decided to make another uninformed post. Biden didn't lie neither did milley. Biden was given the option of keeping more troops and it having very little impact or pulling out of an endless war. He chose the later and guys advisors gave him a plan and he executed that plan.

But if you care so much traitor, feel free to take your ass the Afghanistan and continue fighting.
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Kind of funny how the same people whio are so concerned that we should have stayed in Afghanistan are the same people who have never served a day and never would.
 
brandonbull said:
Biden was. Just copy what someone else started but then royally screw it up. So is Gen. Milley lying or is Joe biden lying about troop recommendations?
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You're just disappointed that no US soldiers were killed in Afghanistan this week. Pinning US deaths on Biden is worth more to you than the lives of US soldiers because… you're a fucking traitor.
 
"We are on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan"
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And yet, as Milley also testified on Tuesday, he, the chiefs, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, and other military officers advised Biden to keep 2,500 U.S. troops in Afghanistan beyond the Aug. 31 deadline. The difference is that those troops wouldn’t be attached to any “military mission.” Instead, they would “transition” to a “diplomatic mission.”

However, it is extremely unlikely that the Taliban would have observed the semantic distinction. In their eyes, 2,500 U.S. troops would be seen as 2,500 U.S. troops, regardless of whether their mission was officially said to be “military” or “diplomatic.” Therefore, the Taliban would resume fighting, as Milley said they would, and Biden would then have been faced with a horrendous choice—to pull out while under attack or send in another 30,000 troops.
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slate.com

We Now Know Why Biden Was in a Hurry to Exit Afghanistan

He made several missteps, but on the big picture, he was right.
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IronWing said:
My fair state is getting 1600 Afghan refugees in this wave. I hope at least one of them opens a restaurant because the Afghan restaurants I've been to in other states have been most excellent.
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Some good Afghan joints in Queens.. Went to a kebab place there that turned out to be quite good
 
brandonbull said:
Biden was. Just copy what someone else started but then royally screw it up. So is Gen. Milley lying or is Joe biden lying about troop recommendations?
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This is one of those manufactured outrages. It has been known for a while that Biden overruled the generals and wanted to remove all the troops. He didn't want any troops left at all, as he believed that would lead to more troops being needed and the continuation of the endless war. He even believed Obama got "rolled" in that way.

Per the NY times:
Following the deal, Mr. Trump reduced American forces in Afghanistan to 4,500 from 13,000. Eager to be the president to end the war, he signed a memo to the Pentagon instructing it to pull out all remaining forces by Jan. 15 before leaving office, but was talked out of it by advisers. Instead, he ordered the force drawn down to 2,500 troops in his final days, although about 3,500 actually remained.

For Mr. Biden, inheriting such a small force in Afghanistan meant that commanders were already left with too few troops to respond to a renewed Taliban offensive against American forces, which he deemed certain to come if he jettisoned Mr. Trump’s agreement, requiring him to send thousands more troops back in, officials said.

While he has suggested he had little choice because of the Trump agreement, Mr. Biden in fact was already determined to pull out of Afghanistan regardless and acknowledged in a recent interview with ABC News that “I would have tried to figure out how to withdraw those troops” even if his predecessor had not negotiated a deal with the Taliban.

His views were shaped by his experience as vice president in 2009 arguing against the temporary troop surge that Mr. Obama ordered to Afghanistan. Mr. Biden emerged from that episode soured on the military and the war, convinced that the generals had rolled Mr. Obama by making it politically impossible not to go along with more troops.

In terms of his reply, he was answering the question whether anyone told him hat he could leave 2500 troops in Afghanistan and it be stable. Here is a transcript from the interview with the full questiuon asked and his full answer. You should question the source you got this view from and quesiton why they wanted to lie to/manipulate you.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So no one told -- your military advisors did not tell you, "No, we should just keep 2,500 troops. It's been a stable situation for the last several years. We can do that. We can continue to do that"?

BIDEN: No. No one said that to me that I can recall. Look, George, the reason why it's been stable for a year is because the last president said, "We're leaving. And here's the deal I wanna make with you, Taliban. We're agreeing to leave if you agree not to attack us between now and the time we leave on May the 1st."
 
IronWing said:
Hmm, another week has gone by and no US soldiers were killed in Afghanistan this week either. Seems like Biden was on to something.
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Deep, deep down inside most Republicans dont give a crap about American soldiers. They care if brown people are getting shot. To them thats the whole point of having a military. And I'm fairly certain anger and murder are the real reason we had people over there for almost 20 years. Not freedom and democracy.
 
shortylickens said:
Deep, deep down inside most Republicans dont give a crap about American soldiers. They care if brown people are getting shot. To them thats the whole point of having a military. And I'm fairly certain anger and murder are the real reason we had people over there for almost 20 years. Not freedom and democracy.
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Nope, the whole point of having a military for the Republicans is getting their hands on that juicy $1 trillion defense budget. Killing non-Christian brown people is just a bonus for them.
 
Just a reminder that Afghans who were in danger for helping us are just a political prop for Republicans:

The evenly divided Senate narrowly turned back a Republican amendment Thursday that sought to curtail assistance to Afghan refugees who were rapidly evacuated to the United States and that would have made it more difficult for them to obtain Real IDs.

Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) sought to attach the amendment to legislation to fund the government into early December, which is expected to pass later Thursday with bipartisan support. Cotton’s amendment received 50 votes, one short of the number needed to succeed. The tally broke along partisan lines.

In addition to providing stopgap funding to keep the government open, the spending measure includes emergency funding for the resettlement of Afghan refugees who fled amid the takeover of the country by the Taliban and U.S. military exit.

Cotton’s amendment sought to cut off housing, food and medical aid, among other assistance, as of March 31, 2023, for Afghans who were granted parole to quickly enter the United States.
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brandonbull said:
Biden was. Just copy what someone else started but then royally screw it up. So is Gen. Milley lying or is Joe biden lying about troop recommendations?
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Cool story bro

www.theguardian.com

Top US general says Afghan collapse can be traced to Trump-Taliban deal

The Doha agreement, signed in February 2020, set a date for the US to fully withdraw troops by May 2021
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www.arkansasonline.com

Afghanistan's collapse tied to '20 accord | Arkansas Democrat Gazette

Senior Pentagon officials said Wednesday that the collapse of the Afghan government and its security forces in August could be traced to a 2020 U.S. agreement with the Taliban that promised a complete U.S. troop withdrawal, although the most-senior general insisted that the problems went back...
www.arkansasonline.com www.arkansasonline.com

www.bbc.com

Afghanistan: US-Taliban deal hastened Afghan collapse, defence officials say

The February 2020 deal set a date for the US to pull out and strengthened the Taliban, generals say.
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www.aljazeera.com

US general says Afghanistan collapse rooted in Trump-Taliban deal

Top general says collapse of the Afghan government can be traced to US troop withdrawal deal.
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Trump set free the Taliban equivalent of Bin Laden in that deal ... along with the rest of his best buddies. Wonder who is head huncho over there now? Hmmm....
 
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Oh, is this more of the "Biden is so terrible for leaving these people behind, but we don't want them because they're all terrorists" schtick? Some things never get old, except the things which were already old the first time you heard them.
 
IronWing said:
Yep, I’m not seeing the failure. How many American troops died in Afghanistan this week? Chances are pretty good that we’ll see that same number next week and the week after that if Biden hold to his decision.
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It's been over a month now and still no more dead American troops in Afghanistan. Brandon must be livid over this dearth of dead American troops.
 
Ajay said:
WTF??? What genius came up with this stupid PR statement?
"It will look better if we simply don’t answer the question, nobody will notice."
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I guess people will only be satisfied if a head ends up on a platter? Will that make you feel better, will it bring back the dead Afghans?
 
hal2kilo said:
I guess people will only be satisfied if a head ends up on a platter? Will that make you feel better, will it bring back the dead Afghans?
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No, I'd be satisfied if the Pentagon was honest. Maybe they can't be, because it would reveal intelligence methods, if so, just say that.
I don't think I'm asking too much as a citizen of a democratic nation with civilian control over the military.
 
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