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Why Biden is pulling the US -- and NATO -- out of Afghanistan

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gothuevos said:
I'm not saying I agree with them, only that it will be politically easy now for them to drag Biden. His approval ratings are already in free fall even before the 10+ American deaths today.
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Delta probably has more to do with his slide than this.
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
'free fall'
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That only goes to August 17th, not including recent events.

Obviously only an n of 1, but the most recent USA Today poll has him at 41% and 32% with independents. And that's before today's tragedy.

Sorry, I'm not trying to gloss over today's events and talk politics/optics, but you can't look at these things in a vacuum anymore.

On the bright side I suppose, we don't have to worry about state legislatures overturning election results, will probably be a clean sweep at this point.
 
gothuevos said:
That only goes to August 17th, not including recent events.

Obviously only an n of 1, but the most recent USA Today poll has him at 41% and 32% with independents. And that's before today's tragedy.

Sorry, I'm not trying to gloss over today's events and talk politics/optics, but you can't look at these things in a vacuum anymore.

On the bright side I suppose, we don't have to worry about state legislatures overturning election results, will probably be a clean sweep at this point.
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So you're blaming Biden for these events, not the 20-year string of incompetence that led us here? Just one fucking guy's fault, right?
 
gothuevos said:
On the bright side I suppose, we don't have to worry about state legislatures overturning election results, will probably be a clean sweep at this point.
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In a year nobody will remember this or care. Probably a lot less. Once the US is out coverage will essentiality end.
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
So you're blaming Biden for these events, not the 20-year string of incompetence that led us here? Just one fucking guy's fault, right?
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Well, unfortunately a lot of American voters don't look at history.

But at least the next election isn't for 15 months, which is more than enough time for American's notoriously short attention spans to move onto something else.
 
First US fatalities in Afghanistan in 18months. And right on cue, repugs are trying to utilize these dead Marines for political ends, same way they did with people killed on 9/11, same way they did on Jan 6th. GQP spends years fucking over Afghan allies on relocation, 19 evac notices issued to Americans since March, and it's all on Biden apparently.

Traitors like McCarthy make me want to puke. They really don't give a shit about US or Afghan lives, it's all about political control and throwing the likes of Lockheed Martin and Boeing as much money as possible. If people have to die, or we get saddled with an occupation for decades that runs 300million/day, oh fucking well.

I mean, we all remember the outrage on the right when Trump said Suprise! and abandoned the Kurds in Syria, with zero relocations. Right?
 
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Yep, take our lumps and GTFO with what we have. If the concern is losing more US troops/citizens/allies then I don't think throwing more people back at it and re-escalating is actually a reasonable response. You just end up with more deaths and more people you need to get back out again. We picked a path, now fucking stick with it.
 
K1052 said:
Quite the standard to propel the nation back into a bloody war for god knows how much longer. This is a rationalization for escalation to infinity.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1430901040153432068
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ISIS-K used as a cutout by the Taliban?? LOL. This has even less credibility than "Al Qaeda is using cutouts to buy yellowcake uranium in Africa!"

Damn. Today is a shitty day. My thoughts and prayers are with those who lost friends and family today. I can even spare a few for the Afghan lives lost. But fuck no, we are not gonna use this as an excuse to engage the Taliban or extend our operations. That IS EXACTLY what ISIS-K wants--to paint the Taliban victory as hollow and show that foreign invaders aren't leaving, and ultimately that the Taliban can't protect Afghans.
 
imported_tajmahal said:
More under the Biden spectacular cluster fuck of a withdrawal than the 4 years of President Trump.

Great job, Joe.
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Trump allowed hundreds of thousands of unnecessary American civilian deaths in just one year.

Great job, Don.


Trump punted this inevitability into his next term, which he failed to win because he already fucked everything else up so badly.

Great job, Don.
 
UNCjigga said:
ISIS-K used as a cutout by the Taliban?? LOL. This has even less credibility than "Al Qaeda is using cutouts to buy yellowcake uranium in Africa!"
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I don't actually understand what "cutout" means. As far as I understand it, ISIS and the Taliban have been all but at war with each other for some time now.
 
Politico with a well-timed killshot aimed at the Biden Administration. They were sitting on this for days...just happened to publish after Americans were killed today.

www.politico.com

U.S. officials provided Taliban with names of Americans, Afghan allies to evacuate

The White House contends that limited information sharing with the Taliban is saving lives; critics argue it's putting Afghan allies in harm's way.
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Gotta love the unnamed Defense officials shitting on the White House after a failed 20 year war they rode to promotions and commendations.

“They had to do that because of the security situation the White House created by allowing the Taliban to control everything outside the airport,” one U.S. official said.

Oh, that was the White House? Which one??
 
imported_tajmahal said:
More under the Biden spectacular cluster fuck of a withdrawal than the 4 years of President Trump.

Great job, Joe.
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Listen up you steaming pile of orange shit - your god negotiated the release of the Taliban leader from prison, along with 5000 of his closest friends. Your god negotiated the withdrawal of US forces from Afghanistan. Your god owns the current state of Afghanistan such as it is. The president we have now is playing the cards he was dealt in the best way possible, and under his watch our military has done a herculean effort in getting everybody possible out as quickly as possible and you don't like it nor can you even understand the game, all this is to you is all about owning the libs because United States Marines were fucking killed by terrorists in another land that your god allowed to be surrendered to terrorists. Go choke on your orange gods tiny mushroom dick and die...fucking traitorous filth!
 
VW MAN said:
Listen up you steaming pile of orange shit - your god negotiated the release of the Taliban leader from prison, along with 5000 of his closest friends. Your god negotiated the withdrawal of US forces from Afghanistan. Your god owns the current state of Afghanistan such as it is. The president we have now is playing the cards he was dealt in the best way possible, and under his watch our military has done a herculean effort in getting everybody possible out as quickly as possible and you don't like it nor can you even understand the game, all this is to you is all about owning the libs because United States Marines were fucking killed by terrorists in another land that your god allowed to be surrendered to terrorists. Go choke on your orange gods tiny mushroom dick and die...fucking traitorous filth!
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More than one president contributed to this mess.

And now we hear the US provided the Taliban with names. Are they trying to sandbag the elections and just hand complete control over to the GOP?
 
gothuevos said:
More than one president contributed to this mess.

And now we hear the US provided the Taliban with names. Are they trying to sandbag the elections and just hand complete control over to the GOP?
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Yes i am aware that Bush jr, Obama, trump and Biden all play a part in this, but tell me which one of those guys negotiated the release of the taliban leader and 5000 of his buddies, and which one negotiated our complete withdrawal from the country and gave it over to the taliban thugs? Which one of those guys wanted to conduct negations with terrorists at Camp fucking David?

I'm all for leaving, but not under the pompeo/trump negotiations.
 
The only blame goes to those that got us into Afghanistan in the first place. After all, we’re talking about a shit load of terrorist here. Isis, isis-K, isis special-k (the low fat version), taliban, taliban K… and taliban ABCDE, plus…. al qaeda. Getting in was easy, getting out not so much. Naturally there will be tragedy just as there would be tragedy if one were crawling out of a rattlesnake pit. You’re going to get bitten no question about it. Biden is still on the right track and doing exactly the right thing with crawling out of this rattlesnake pit. Again… focus the criticism on those who believed rattlesnakes could be trained as house pets.
 
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