Why Biden is pulling the US -- and NATO -- out of Afghanistan

[sportage]

Note to the Taliban, be careful what you wish for....
Oddly enough there was a PBS Frontline special on Afghanistan (Leaving Afghanistan) back in July just before the American withdrawal. The Taliban now has other problems besides American, the Taliban's new enemy is Iran. Iran is moving into Afghanistan with an Iranian backed militia fighting force called the Fatemiyoun. The Fatemiyoun are being sent into Afghanistan in anticipation of a civil war.

This just goes to show you and should show American politicians that American involvement within this region and involvement within an Afghanistan civil war was never going to be successful. We have so many different groups, cultures, forces in play that if Biden had not got us out of the region we'd surely remain in Afghanistan for hundreds of years to come. It's like with the covid pandemic, if only everyone had worn masks and taken the vaccine we could have defeated covid in total by now. And with Biden removing us from Afghanistan and considering all the heat Biden is taking over this, we will never know the hundreds/thousands of American lives Joe Biden just saved.

If leaders and "that former" president had delivered real leadership to Americans from the start, then covid could be a thing of the past instead of an ongoing pain in the American ass. The same goes for Afghanistan. Biden has done the right thing and the future lives saved will never be known only because Biden has done the right thing. Joe Biden acted, and this was the best outcome possible. Period!

 

[Ajay]

I got nothing. Official American obeisance before the House of Saud is self-defeating, stupid, and a source of great sorrow in the world.

Yeah, I'm always left wondering what they have on us, besides oil, large purchases of military hardware and allowing us to put Air Force bases there .
Oh, and some 70ish year-old pseudo alliance.

 

[IronWing]

Yeah, I'm always left wondering what they have on us, besides oil, large purchases of military hardware and allowing us to put Air Force bases there .
Oh, and some 70ish year-old pseudo alliance.

Anyone who replaced the Sauds would also sell oil. The air bases were there to protect the Sauds' royal fannies. So the only interest we have there is a customer for weapons. The price was 9-11 and Saud funded global terrorism.

 

[NWRMidnight]

The alternative might be described as a clean exit, without tens of thousands of foreign nationals (Americans included) trapped behind enemy lines.
Biden's bungle has pinned his Presidency on the kindness of the Taliban and whether they let people peacefully reach the airport.

These people who got "trapped" had months to prepare, as this they have known this was coming long before the election last November, and where ordered out in April of 2021.

Pretty tough for fucking the incompetent and senile Biden to pull out of Afghanistan when there's still @ 15,000 Americans that he left behind enemy lines. The collapse of the Democratic party has stunned everyone.

Up to 15,000 US residents still in Afghanistan after Taliban insurgency - Washington Examiner

Up to 15,000 United States residents remain in Afghanistan following the Taliban's insurgency and takeover of Kabul, two Senate aides said, citing officials from President Joe Biden's administration.The two Senate aides confirmed they were given the statistic during a briefing led by national...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

See above. These 15,000 people had months to prepare and get out.

 

[Roger Wilco]

So, we still have thousands of U.S. citizens in Afghanistan...how big of a Taliban "slipup" is needed to provoke U.S. military retaliation?

"any action on their part on the ground in Afghanistan, that puts U.S. personnel or our mission at risk there, will be met with a swift and strong U.S. military response."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1428066113221533697

https://twitter.com/x/status/1428075354170736640

 

[Kaido]

Just awful:

USAF investigating Afghan deaths, human remains discovered in wheel well of C-17 that took off from Kabul - The Aviation Geek Club

USAF investigating Afghan deaths, human remains discovered in wheel well of C-17 that took off from Kabul

theaviationgeekclub.com

The C-17 evacuated 640 people in on flight:

Inside Reach 871, A US C-17 Packed With 640 Afghans Trying to Escape the Taliban

The Air Force evacuation flight from Kabul to Qatar came near the record for most people ever flown in the Boeing airlifter.

www.defenseone.com

I don't know what the record is, but they did 670 people evacuating a typhoon in the Philippines. I can't believe that many people can fit on an airplane:

 

[Amol S.]

Looks like the terrorists are getting back to their old antiques and methods. According to world news reports in the past day the terrorists have done the following.

* Burnt down an amusement park. The terrorists claimed the amusement park contained elements that were against Islam.

Taliban burn down amusement park in Afghanistan, shows new video

A new video has emerged showing an amusement park in Afghanistan blazing in flames after the Taliban set it on fire.

www.indiatoday.in

* The terrorists claim they will allow female news anchors to work, as long as they follow the rules, however there are news reports of female news anchors being threatened over the phone and physically.

Some Afghan female journalists continue reporting while people flee for safety

With the Taliban in control of Afghanistan, most countries are evacuating their citizens and shutting their embassies temporarily. Follow here for the latest.

www.cnn.com

Afghanistan: Female presenters back on Tolo News after Taliban takeover

Women had been noticeably absent from major news outlets after the Taliban took control of Afghanistan.

www.bbc.com

* The terrorists have taken one of the only three female governors in Afghanistan into custody. She was known to speak up against the terrorists and have even cheered on to women, men, and armed forces to pick up weapons and fight against the terrorists.

Salima Mazari: Afghan female governor, who took up arms against Taliban, taken into custody | World News - Times of India

South Asia News: Taliban fighters have taken Salima Mazari, one of the only three women governors of Afghanistan, into their custody, according to local reports. Maza

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

*The terrorists have once again started grossly killing women who did not wear burkas or went against the terrorists imposed rules.

The Taliban knocked on her door 3 times. The fourth time, they killed her | CNN

It took days for the Taliban to seize Afghanistan and potentially erase 20 years of gains for Afghan women.

www.cnn.com

Resurgent Taliban pledges to honor ‘women’s rights’ in charm offensive

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid held a news conference to say that the insurgents would honor women’s rights, within highly restrictive Sharia law.

nypost.com

 

[shortylickens]

We knew what would happen. Thats not the issue.
The issue is we couldnt prevent it. We couldnt fix that country because we dont have the ability. Party because over the last hundred years we've become incompetent at fixing major problems. Also because we dont understand foreign cultures very well. Its the main reason we lost Viet Nam.

 

[digiram]

Lets also all gleefully forget how Julian Assange has been preaching this stuff long ago:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1427968752432332806

And we’re pulling out to end the endless war. Should be happy about this. Thanks Biden.

 

[gothuevos]

This is probably a dumb question...but is anyone else surprised that we had over 15k US citizens still over there? Like besides embassy staff (who were reported all out)...why are there so many Americans still over there?

THAT many contractors?

 

[Amol S.]

This is probably a dumb question...but is anyone else surprised that we had over 15k US citizens still over there? Like besides embassy staff (who were reported all out)...why are there so many Americans still over there?

THAT many contractors?

There might have been a few who could have been vacationing.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The Taliban graciously thanks you US taxpayers for their blackhawk helicopters - and much much much more. These are 100% the US Military - not the Afghan's. You can show Biden how much you appreciate your tax dollars going to work.

What a COLLASSAL fuck up of epic proportions

https://twitter.com/x/status/1426499978025914375

 

[Panino Manino]

Note to the Taliban, be careful what you wish for....
Oddly enough there was a PBS Frontline special on Afghanistan (Leaving Afghanistan) back in July just before the American withdrawal. The Taliban now has other problems besides American, the Taliban's new enemy is Iran. Iran is moving into Afghanistan with an Iranian backed militia fighting force called the Fatemiyoun. The Fatemiyoun are being sent into Afghanistan in anticipation of a civil war.

I hope anyone is suggesting that this is a problem, that it's a "problem" that Iran is making preparations to defend itself from Taliban that is being set up as "the spear of the sunni" in the region with full support of Arabia, Pakistan, and of course, directly and indirectly, murrica.

 

[Brainonska511]

The Taliban graciously thanks you US taxpayers for their blackhawk helicopters - and much much much more. These are 100% the US Military - not the Afghan's. You can show Biden how much you appreciate your tax dollars going to work.

What a COLLASSAL fuck up of epic proportions


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I'm confused. Should we or should we not have supplied the Afghan army with supplies? Give them nothing - shows you have no faith and get blamed for precipitating a collapse. Give them stuff but then blow it up on the way out, same issue. Sounds like you just want to whine - all complaints, no solutions.

Also, Blackhawk helicopter, the latest and greatest tech of, let me check, the 70s and 80s. Doubt we were giving them helos with all the bells and whistles. And good luck to them when it comes to maintaining them.

 

[K1052]

Didn't realize the US operated a lot of Mi 17s lol. Our choppers suck in hot and high I guess.

Most of what I've seen so far is stuff that the US clearly supplied the Afghan forces. Good luck to the Taliban maintaining it without us parts and contractors.

 

[fskimospy]

The Taliban graciously thanks you US taxpayers for their blackhawk helicopters - and much much much more. These are 100% the US Military - not the Afghan's. You can show Biden how much you appreciate your tax dollars going to work.

What a COLLASSAL fuck up of epic proportions


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Every post you make reeks with desperation for attention.

Also your own thread says you’re wrong. Lol.

 

[K1052]

Heh those MH-60s are basically going to be worthless in Taliban hands

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...k-hawks-cant-match-its-older-russian-choppers

The universe sure has a sense of irony since the Taliban will have to ask the Russians for help if they wanna keep some of the 17s flying.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Every post you make reeks with desperation for attention.

Also your own thread says you’re wrong. Lol.

I had to put him on ignore. Was tired of seeing him make a fool of himself.

 

[Amol S.]

I'm confused. Should we or should we not have supplied the Afghan army with supplies? Give them nothing - shows you have no faith and get blamed for precipitating a collapse. Give them stuff but then blow it up on the way out, same issue. Sounds like you just want to whine - all complaints, no solutions.

Also, Blackhawk helicopter, the latest and greatest tech of, let me check, the 70s and 80s. Doubt we were giving them helos with all the bells and whistles. And good luck to them when it comes to maintaining them.

But then again ... the U.S military itself still uses military customized variants of the Boeing 707. Does our military face a money shortage?

 

[Amol S.]

Every post you make reeks with desperation for attention.

Also your own thread says you’re wrong. Lol.

s0me0neswrong1

 

[K1052]

Biden says troops will stay past the 31st if there are still Americans stuck. Expectation seems to be 50-60K SIV eligible Afghans to come out too.

The Taliban surely wants us gone before the 11th and there are other cards the US has to play. The nation is basically bankrupt and the Taliban can't access currency since the US ceased shipments, cut off the IMF money, and froze basically all the reserves.

 

[Ajay]

Anyone who replaced the Sauds would also sell oil. The air bases were there to protect the Sauds' royal fannies. So the only interest we have there is a customer for weapons. The price was 9-11 and Saud funded global terrorism.

The deal with the house of Saud also gives us forward airbases in the Middle East. Kind of helpful. So what are you suggesting? Coup? I’m sure Russia and China would be happy to take our place.

 

[IronWing]

The deal with the house of Saud also gives us forward airbases in the Middle East. Kind of helpful. So what are you suggesting? Coup? I’m sure Russia and China would be happy to take our place.

The planes are in SA to defend the House of Saud, not defend America. I'm suggesting that we exterminate the House of Saud, root and branch. We should have done it on 9-12 but W put his family connections ahead of our national security.

 

[kage69]

It's funny to hear those who have been dismissing the pandemic that's killed 637k Americans, now lose their minds over the ~10k still in Afghanistan. Taliban are letting Americans leave apparently. The USAF can move mountains when given orders to do so. They're upping the traffic bigtime and probably have contingency assets on standby in case Taliban decides to get froggy. I'm hopeful.

Trump had more Americans die in under a week during 2020's peaks. We were losing 3k Americans a day for awhile. A 9/11 everyday. That's a fuck up of epic proportions, and don't let a treasonous douchenozzle tell you different. Blaming Biden for the ANA's morale collapse and long entrenched corruption is pretty dumb, but then it's likely coming from people who said jack shit about the Afghan government being sidelined in negotiations. Magats are still trying to convince themselves this pullout would have worked out better under Cadet Bonespurs. They'd be back to not caring what our allies think, like with Syria, if Trump had done it.

But incel clowns are trying to act like they give a shit about American lives again, so more weak theater for the rest of us.

 

[Ajay]

The planes are in SA to defend the House of Saud, not defend America. I'm suggesting that we exterminate the House of Saud, root and branch. We should have done it on 9-12 but W put his family connections ahead of our national security.

This is going to go nowhere and is in the wrong thread. I respect your opinion, but disagree.