• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

Why Biden is pulling the US -- and NATO -- out of Afghanistan

Page 25 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
@pmv
No.
There was no scenario that was going to be better, just like the BS that this would take weeks and not hours.
If the intel had been more realistic, the outcome would still be exactly the same.
The Taliban flowed across the country like water and unless we had massive indiscriminate airstrikes to hold them back, that was inevitable. The Afghan military had bagged it, made their decisions long ago. Why fight and die for what was inevitable?
I hear all the hand wringing about how chaotic it was, and how it looks like Saigon. We could have done better.
No.
This was happening and nothing that Bush, or Obama, or Trump, and certainly not Biden was going to make this pretty.
 
pcgeek11 said:
get your people and allies out first.
Click to expand...
That isn't a fact. That is an objective. It's a good objective in my opinion, and clearly you also agree.

we had 20 years to get people out and plan a better exit

Both of these are facts.
Click to expand...
We've been there for 20 years. That is a fact. Whether or not we could have planned better is an opinion. I'm sure you would have done better than the US Military though.
 
dank69 said:
That isn't a fact. That is an objective. It's a good objective in my opinion, and clearly you also agree.

We've been there for 20 years. That is a fact. Whether or not we could have planned better is an opinion. I'm sure you would have done better than the US Military though.
Click to expand...
Lol progressive demis now have their military loving butt-plug in.

Yessir you're doing good work. Yes ma'am I'll take another trillion in military spending I've been a bad boy.

No one can be a better master than you - regardless of the VAST amount of historical fuckups that can fill an encyclopedia series.
 
Great decisions by great presidents will be remembered throughout history. Joe Biden will be one of those great presidents and great decision makers. JFK had his faults in Cuba but time passes and his decisions were proven by history as the right decisions.

Today, some who got us into Afghanistan would have loved for us to remain in Afghanistan. Back during the Cuban crisis, there again were many who desired full on war with Cuba and Russian. Thankfully great presidents making great decisions prevail. Who the president is really does matter.
 
Ps. Imagine if Trump had done this with the exact same results?
Fox and republicans would praise Trump for saving taxpayers billions in coming years.
Fox would say Trump was a genius.
Fox would say who cares about Afghanistan anyway?
And, it would be recorded as just another Trump moment of spiritual enlightenment.
 
ondma said:
Obviously he is not responsible for what the Afghanis did. However he (and his advisors/military leaders) are responsible for anticipating such actions and making contingency plans for it. I dont know what went on behind the scenes, but it certainly seems from outside that they did not do that adequately.
Click to expand...
How can you anticipate the people that you spent 20 years training and getting ready to protect themselves, just walk away from their posts and would not fight, specially now that it's coming to light that local afghan governments made back room deals to do just that? Was he supposed to use his Crystal Ball that tells him the future?
 
There is no real significant political hit here. Fox News needs to fill its air time with complaints about Biden, this will fulfill that goal for them for awhile, but likely it still won’t push off their “favorite hits” of people crying about CRT, cancel culture, and defund the police because those things resonate more with their angry white viewers than stuff about Afghanistan where the message is muddled because Trump spent 4 fucking years saying Afghanistan was a disaster we needed to get the fuck out. But, just fundamentally, Americans don’t vote over foreign policy, and they don’t vote over Afghanistan. Ryan Crocker - "What Biden has done is to embrace the Afghan policy of Trump, and this is the outcome". Harsh words indeed. But, Crocker is also one of the people who was counseling we stay in Afghanistan for a thousand fucking years. Republican politicians will yell for a a while, but it won’t stick. The American public does not give 2 shits about Afghanistan. Trump, who released 5000 prisoners under his watch including Mullah Baradar and lauded US war criminals, still doesn’t have any grounds for criticizing his successor. He has more than enough of his share of disgrace to deal with. Trumpocrisy. It’s what he does. Pulling the plank out of his own eye before pulling the splinter out of someone else’s, but the GOP has no planks but Trumpism.

The Trump administration drawing us down to 2,500 troops, including dismantling key bases and deployments that provided critical air support to Afghan military units, and signing an agreement that saw 5,000 imprisoned terrorists released into Afghanistan with no commitment from the Taliban to a cease fire or keeping the peace, put things in a pretty bad state. Biden would be looking at a significant major new deployment to stabilize things in Afghanistan, he could not have just “stayed the course” from the Trump Administration.

Particularly, I’d like to know what Trump and the Republicans thinks Biden should have done. Trump himself would have just played fucking golf and seen what he could grift out of the situation.

If Trump were still president, his shear manliness would have cowed the Taliban into forming a coalition government that recognized human rights and peace throughout all the tribes, and and the promise of a Trump resort in downtown Kabul would have guaranteed prosperity for its citizens. But with Sleepy Joe in the whitehouse and Trump not reinstated as promised thanks to Anitfa interference - the Taliban realized that America was doomed and took advantage of the lack of leadership. if he’d gotten a second term, he could have wiped his ass with the withdrawal agreement any time he felt that the Constitution was insufficiently soft and absorbent. The Taliban didn’t take over Afghanistan. It was Antifa in disguise. The "Talifa" stole muh presidency. Isn't the new ruler of Afghanistan someone Trump released from prison back in 2018, and the same person with whom Mike Pompeo cosigned the Doha agreement? Yep it is. Nobody should give a shit what they say.

“I started the process, all the troops are coming home, they (Biden) couldn’t stop the process. 21 years is enough. They (Biden) couldn’t stop the process, they (Biden) wanted to but couldn’t stop the process.” - Donald Trump
 
NWRMidnight said:
How can you anticipate the people that you spent 20 years training and getting ready to protect themselves, just walk away from their posts and would not fight, specially now that it's coming to light that local afghan governments made back room deals to do just that? Was he supposed to use his Crystal Ball that tells him the future?
Click to expand...
Was that a rhetorical question of sarcasm? Lol.

It's the entire reason they were there for 20 years, they knew they couldn't fight for shit and wouldn't.


OP: "How were they supposed to know???!!! They were only in close quarters and actively training with them for 20 years. Who would have guessed?!"
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Was that a rhetorical question of sarcasm? Lol.

It's the entire reason they were there for 20 years, they knew they couldn't fight for shit and wouldn't.


OP: "How were they supposed to know???!!! They were only in close quarters and actively training with them for 20 years. Who would have guessed?!"
Click to expand...

This is a Republican Troll in the nutshell. Never any solutions, just criticism. If you said go up and Biden agreed and went Up, you would then say he should have went down. Why don't you tell us what you would have done in this situation. Should we have stayed since the Afghan army wouldn't have been able to stand up? Tell us your policy.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Was that a rhetorical question of sarcasm? Lol.

It's the entire reason they were there for 20 years, they knew they couldn't fight for shit and wouldn't.


OP: "How were they supposed to know???!!! They were only in close quarters and actively training with them for 20 years. Who would have guessed?!"
Click to expand...
I see you are making shit up and trying to pass it off as fact per the usual. Of course, you are more than welcome to prove evidence that supports such claims.
 
emperus said:
This is a Republican Troll in the nutshell. Never any solutions, just criticism. If you said go up and Biden agreed and went Up, you would then say he should have went down. Why don't you tell us what you would have done in this situation. Should we have stayed since the Afghan army wouldn't have been able to stand up? Tell us your policy.
Click to expand...

Garbage people saying garbage duplicitous shit. What else is new.
 
K1052 said:
Watching some of neocon twitter and they all really think the US should literally stay in Afghanistan at any cost.
Click to expand...

Initially, I was feeling bad for Afghanistan presuming the military would at least try to fight.

Then they completely folded.

Now I'm sad we didn't just leave 10-20 years ago and avoid wasting all that money and all those lives fighting for something the Afghans didn't want themselves.

F that hell hole.
 
Now that we are actually getting us out, something a majority of Americans want, I look forward to months of GOP talking points calling for an investigation of Biden as they exhibit their faux concern over the afghani people.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Was that a rhetorical question of sarcasm? Lol.

It's the entire reason they were there for 20 years, they knew they couldn't fight for shit and wouldn't.


OP: "How were they supposed to know???!!! They were only in close quarters and actively training with them for 20 years. Who would have guessed?!"
Click to expand...

You really find what you say and post as funny. It will not be funny if you were to be in Afghanistan right now, you probably would be in the airport screaming and running around the tarmac like everyone else.

You do not work for the government, and even if you do, you do not work in any position that deals with intel, thus you are making this 20 year assumption of us knowing they would not be able to defend themselves. If you are wondering how I know you do not work in a government position, and especially not in an intel position, is because if you were you never have posted what you posted above.

You are right in some sense that you can post what ever you want by the first amendment, but at the same time just think what others will think about you. If you do not care about your image, just go along and keep posting what you usually post.

You probably are thinking that Trump would never have followed what he promised. But that is your thought, you do not know what would have happened or not. In these 20 years, the US has got its revenge against what the terrorists did on September 11th. The nation building was just almost like a side job for the soldiers if they got bored. Nation building was never the main objective. The US did not give a damn about who controlled Afghanistan the moment they pulled out, because neither side in Afghanistan, is a communist pact.

The War in Vietnam was nation building because the opponent was a communist pact. If the U.S. really wanted to do some government building there in a serious mater from the start, they would not have done a nation building, but rather have turned Afghanistan into a U.S. territory like the Bahamas. Don't you get it, the name "War in Afghanistan" was a mistake in itself. It really should have been called officially "War on Terror", but unfortunately the US reserved this as a slang term for many wars it currently is involved in in the Middle East.

Afghan Americans are complaining that Biden betrayed Afghan's, as if the U.S. had made some commitment to protect Afghanistan forever, as if we had made a plan to annex Afghanistan as a territory of the U.S.. At the surface that might sound great, but in reality it's not that simple. The only advantage the U.S. would ever have gained by annexing Afghanistan would be better intel access on what happens in Pakistan. But there would be a whole horde of down sides. We would have had to deal with a bigger border issue than what we are facing with Mexico.

I do not get where people got the presumption the U.S. ever wanted to annex Afghanistan, which would have been the only valid reason to have kept our troops in Afghanistan forever.
 
Last edited:
Amol S. said:
You really find what you say and post as funny. It will not be funny if you were to be in Afghanistan right now, you probably would be in the airport screaming and running around the tarmac like everyone else.

You do not work for the government, and even if you do, you do not work in any position that deals with intel, thus you are making this 20 year assumption of us knowing they would not be able to defend themselves. If you are wondering how I know you do not work in a government position, and especially not in an intel position, is because if you were you never have posted what you posted above.

You are right in some sense that you can post what ever you want by the first amendment, but at the same time just think what others will think about you. If you do not care about your image, just go along and keep posting what you usually post.

You probably are thinking that Trump would never have followed what he promised. But that is your thought, you do not know what would have happened or not. In these 20 years, the US has got its revenge against what the terrorists did on September 11th. The nation building was just almost like a side job for the soldiers if they got bored. Nation building was never the main objective. The US did not give a damn about who controlled Afghanistan the moment they pulled out, because neither side in Afghanistan, is a communist pact.

The War in Vietnam was nation building because the opponent was a communist pact. If the U.S. really wanted to do some government building there in a serious mater from the start, they would not have done a nation building, but rather have turned Afghanistan into a U.S. territory like the Bahamas. Don't you get it, the name "War in Afghanistan" was a mistake in itself. It really should have been called officially "War on Terror", but unfortunately the US reserved this as a slang term for many wars it currently is involved in in the Middle East.

Afghan Americans are complaining that Biden betrayed Afghan's, as if the U.S. had made some commitment to protect Afghanistan forever, as if we had made a plan to annex Afghanistan as a territory of the U.S.. At the surface that might sound great, but in reality it's not that simple. The only advantage the U.S. would ever have gained by annexing Afghanistan would be better intel access on what happens in Pakistan. But there would be a whole horde of down sides. We would have had to deal with a bigger border issue than what we are facing with Mexico.

I do not get where people got the presumption the U.S. ever wanted to annex Afghanistan, which would have been the only valid reason to have kept our troops in Afghanistan forever.
Click to expand...
And you're a complete idiot that tried to school me on flight dynamics as it related to a video of people clinging to a moving plane and you were hilariously wrong.

But keep digging that hole deeper ol' chap.
 
My Q sister just said to me I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK ABOUT THIS BIDEN (she really hates him). HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING. But I know exactly what she would be saying if Donald Trump had did the same... HE (Trump) HAD TO DO IT. WE NEEDED TO GET OUT OF THERE. I'M SICK OF MY TAXES GOING TO PAY FOR THIS MILITARY SHIT.
THAT is if it were Donald Trump, but being it was Joe Biden she suddenly "CARES" about Afghanistan. Like, yeah... right.... 🙄
 
Coming soon...the Republicans will be bitching and blaming Biden for the depression/economic downturn that inevitably follows tthe end of hostilities and the nation's military starts downsizing....and all the various businesses and industries that depend on the military start losing business.

(while completely ignoring the fact that they've been clamoring for Biden to follow Trump's timetable for getting out of Afghanistan)
 
K1052 said:
Look at this little silver spoon fascist rat bastard go.

*twitter embed removed because this dumb board software only allows 2 embeds
Click to expand...
racist shitbird charlie kirk was saying the same thing. they can't decide whether to be mad the people who worked for us are getting abandoned or to be mad that the people who worked for us are getting taken care of.


also, lauren boebert is a moron:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1427379852479406081

https://twitter.com/x/status/1427427215143276546
 
NWRMidnight said:
How can you anticipate the people that you spent 20 years training and getting ready to protect themselves, just walk away from their posts and would not fight, specially now that it's coming to light that local afghan governments made back room deals to do just that? Was he supposed to use his Crystal Ball that tells him the future?
Click to expand...
Well, if we cant get intelligence on the ground after being there 20 years, and with Vietnam as an example, our intelligence agencies and military intelligence are totally inept. Even if you give them the leeway of not knowing or in any way being able to find out, they should have planned for such a contingency.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Back
Top