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Why Biden is pulling the US -- and NATO -- out of Afghanistan

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So your belief is the American government knew the ANG was going to surrender so they made a deal with the Taliban to give them weapons by the ANG surrendering?

What was the US supposed to get out of this "deal"?

WTF kind of illegal booze are you drinking in bum fuck Canada?
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You can interpret anything I say the way you want other then it was obvious that the ANG would surrender thus relinquishing their arms to the Taliban especially after the puppet President fled their country and the UN were not so naive not to know this. For that matter I don't think Biden, considering his cognitive issues, could be so dumb.

Don't forget Canada and Britain are also there trying to evacuate and save Afghan lives.

WTF kind of illegal booze are you drinking in bum fuck United States?
 
Head of the CIA went to Kabul to negotiate. Presumably for more time and to let Afghans reach the airport more easily. We’ve got some levers.
 
K1052 said:
Head of the CIA went to Kabul to negotiate. Presumably for more time and to let Afghans reach the airport more easily. We’ve got some levers.
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Amongst which is $9B+ of in bank accounts we froze. Nonetheless, many will have to try and get out after we relinquish the airport (as happened with Vietnam).
 
After the 9-11 attack both Britain and Canada stood behind the U.S. to go after Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

Yes the Taliban gave Al-Qaeda safe harbor.

This American pullout is without regard for their Allies and the safety of Afghan people. Shame on you.

Trudeau says Canada prepared to stay in Kabul after Aug. 31 following G7 meeting.
www.ctvnews.ca

Trudeau says Canada prepared to stay in Kabul after Aug. 31 following G7 meeting

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Canada is prepared to keep its military personnel in Afghanistan after meeting Tuesday in a virtual summit with fellow G7 leaders who were convening to discuss the crisis and the re-emergence of the Taliban as the country's rulers.
www.ctvnews.ca www.ctvnews.ca

 
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After the 9-11 attack both Britain and Canada stood behind the U.S. to go after Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

Yes the Taliban gave Al-Qaeda safe harbor.

This American pullout is without regard for their Allies and the safety of Afghan people. Shame on you.

Trudeau says Canada prepared to stay in Kabul after Aug. 31 following G7 meeting.
www.ctvnews.ca

Trudeau says Canada prepared to stay in Kabul after Aug. 31 following G7 meeting

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Canada is prepared to keep its military personnel in Afghanistan after meeting Tuesday in a virtual summit with fellow G7 leaders who were convening to discuss the crisis and the re-emergence of the Taliban as the country's rulers.
www.ctvnews.ca www.ctvnews.ca
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Everybody has known for a long time that the US would be gone by 8/31.

Canada is free to stay if they want.
 
President Biden announced US troops will be pulling out of Afghanistan by September 11, 2021 - That was only 3 months ago and he moved it up - 3 months is not near enough time to organize a strategic withdrawal and keep the Afghan people safe.

Just hope YOUR CIA/Taliban conferences can keep the peace until all who want to leave Afghanistan can safely.
 
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Z15CAM said:
President Biden announced US troops will be pulling out of Afghanistan by September 11, 2021 - That was only 3 months ago and he moved it up - 3 months is not near enough time to organize a strategic withdrawl and keep the Afghan people safe.
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Never leaving is the only way to keep the Afghan people safe. What's your point?
 
Z15CAM said:
President Biden announced US troops will be pulling out of Afghanistan by September 11, 2021 - That was only 3 months ago and he moved it up - 3 months is not near enough time to organize a strategic withdrawal and keep the Afghan people safe.

Just hope YOUR CIA/Taliban conferences can keep the peace until all who want to leave Afghanistan can safely.
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What.. 3 months is not enough time? you obviously have no clue about what you are talking about. If it's about keeping the afghan people safe (technically not our responsibility), then there will never be enough time, as they have to stand up and protect themselves. We gave them 20 years to work towards that goal, and they chose not to.
 
What.. 3 months is not enough time? you obviously have no clue about what you are talking about. If it's about keeping the afghan people safe (technically not our responsibility), then there will never be enough time, as they have to stand up and protect themselves. We gave them 20 years to work towards that goal, and they chose not to.
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NMRMidnight - I have to agree with you there BUT this move by any other means defines the definition of the Ugly (Ignorant) American. When you say "We" you have to include the Canadians and Brits in this matter.

It is the responsibility of the occupying force to ensure the safety of the citizens of the country they are occupying.

Vietnam did just fine after the U.S. pulled out but not before costing hundreds and thousand's of lives ;o(
 
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Z15CAM said:
President Biden announced US troops will be pulling out of Afghanistan by September 11, 2021 - That was only 3 months ago and he moved it up - 3 months is not near enough time to organize a strategic withdrawal and keep the Afghan people safe.

Just hope YOUR CIA/Taliban conferences can keep the peace until all who want to leave Afghanistan can safely.
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The collapse would happen whenever we started the withdrawal. One does not exist independent of the other.

The US spent 20 years on this, it didn't work. The immediate collapse of the Afghan government only serves to show Biden was even more right than we thought.
 
Z15CAM said:
NMRMidnight - I have to agree with you there BUT this move by any other means defines the definition of the Ugly Ignorant American.
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I don't think it's American's being ignorant here.. sorry. The world wasn't blind sided by this, it's been known for months it was coming, long before Biden took office, yet they all drug there feet and arms on the ground, procrastinating, and not taking steps to get their people out.. And now they want to Blame Biden and the US. Yes, the fall of Afghanistan by the Taliban happened much quicker than anticipated, but nobody could have predicted that the nobody on the afghan side would not fight at all, and the Taliban would be able to take over the country without any conflict what's so ever. Anyone claiming otherwise is full of shit. Complete campaigns are planned, executer, and finished in a matter of days.. It doesn't take months as you claim is needed.. So again, it's not the American's that are being ignorant here. But people are looking to place blame.. Don't worry, We American's have broad shoulders.
 
This thread is now just going in circles.
"Biden made horrible decision" statement. ➡ "What do you think he should have done then" reply
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"There would have been a panic and ⬅ "He should have gave more time before withdrawl." response
collapse regardless of how much
time Biden gave for people to leave
before the withdrawal." response.
 
Taliban not allowing Afghan nationals who helped us to leave. This is disgraceful. We owe the Afghans who helped us against the Isis/Taliban. I understand we can’t fix the country but we still owe those people


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NWRMidnight said:
I don't think it's American's being ignorant here.. sorry. The world wasn't blind sided by this, it's been known for months it was coming, long before Biden took office, yet they all drug there feet and arms on the ground, procrastinating, and not taking steps to get their people out.. And now they want to Blame Biden and the US. Yes, the fall of Afghanistan by the Taliban happened much quicker than anticipated, but nobody could have predicted that the nobody on the afghan side would not fight at all, and the Taliban would be able to take over the country without any conflict what's so ever. Anyone claiming otherwise is full of shit. Complete campaigns are planned, executer, and finished in a matter of days.. It doesn't take months as you claim is needed.. So again, it's not the American's that are being ignorant here. But people are looking to place blame.. Don't worry, We American's have broad shoulders.
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The US can take the blame for lots of things related to Afghanistan, and it's reasonable to say that since we broke it it's up to us to fix it, but eventually we need to acknowledge that we tried to fix it and failed. We tried for 20 years and $2 trillion.
 
Z15CAM said:
NMRMidnight - I have to agree with you there BUT this move by any other means defines the definition of the Ugly (Ignorant) American. When you say "We" you have to include the Canadians and Brits in this matter.

It is the responsibility of the occupying force to ensure the safety of the citizens of the country they are occupying.

Vietnam did just fine after the U.S. pulled out but not before costing hundreds and thousand's of lives ;o(
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Is the US still occupying Afghanistan?

Military occupation:
": control and possession of hostile territory that enables an invading nation to establish military government against an enemy or martial law against rebels or insurrectionists in its own territory"
 
Z15CAM said:
You can interpret anything I say the way you want other then it was obvious that the ANG would surrender thus relinquishing their arms to the Taliban especially after the puppet President fled their country and the UN were not so naive not to know this. For that matter I don't think Biden, considering his cognitive issues, could be so dumb.

Don't forget Canada and Britain are also there trying to evacuate and save Afghan lives.

WTF kind of illegal booze are you drinking in bum fuck United States?
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So what? If we wanted the ANG to persevere against the Taliban, we had to arm them. You know, like for 20 years. Maybe we should have tried to take 'em back before we left, huh? Oh, yeh. Like that would have worked.
 
fskimospy said:
The US can take the blame for lots of things related to Afghanistan, and it's reasonable to say that since we broke it it's up to us to fix it, but eventually we need to acknowledge that we tried to fix it and failed. We tried for 20 years and $2 trillion.
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Is it though? We originally went to Afghanistan because the Taliban where harboring Al Qaeda/Bin Laden, after Bin Laden's death (May 2011) , our mission turn to nation building. We spent over a decade giving the Afghan's the tools, training, etc, they needed to stand on their own. So is it really a US failure or an Afghan failure? I'm not saying we did everything right, and that some blame goes to the US, but the majority is on the Afghans themselves. We can't force them to stand up on their own, no matter how much money, time, training, equipment, etc we throw at them.. that is 100% on them.
 
100% of the American young men did not know the meaning of the Vietnam War other then it was a war to save the Vietnam People from Communism when all the Vietnamese people wanted was to take back their own country after 100rd's of years of occupation. China, Japan, French and the Americans - I personally blame the French for the Vietnam War.

Here's a very good story teller of an American GI RE: The Vietnam War:

Glad Canada had nothing to do with the Vietnam War other then we accepted hundreds of thousands of Vietnam Boat People. I fell in love with a Vietnamese Girl but the cultural exchange was not compatible in the late 60's ;o(

I generally don't get involved with politics but this happening is a re-occurrence in America. I impressed that some of you are reading my threads and actually giving some positive feed back. As they say "Eat the Best and Forget the Rest" - LOL
 
NWRMidnight said:
Is it though? We originally went to Afghanistan because the Taliban where harboring Al Qaeda/Bin Laden, after Bin Laden's death (May 2011) , our mission turn to nation building. We spent over a decade giving the Afghan's the tools, training, etc, they needed to stand on their own. So is it really a US failure or an Afghan failure? I'm not saying we did everything right, and that some blame goes to the US, but the majority is on the Afghans themselves. We can't force them to stand up on their own, no matter how much money, time, training, equipment, etc we throw at them.. that is 100% on them.
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I agree they share a large amount of the blame, but I think there is a 'you broke it you bought it' element that never goes away entirely.

My larger point though was that whatever responsibility we had to try and fix it we met it LONG ago.
 
Z15CAM said:
100% of the American young men did not know the meaning of the Vietnam War other then it was a war to save the Vietnam People from Communism when all the Vietnamese people wanted was to take back their own country after 100rd's of years of occupation. China, Japan, French and the Americans - I personally blame the French for the Vietnam War.

Here's a very good story teller of an American GI RE: The Vietnam War:

Glad Canada had nothing to do with the Vietnam War other then we accepted hundreds of thousands of Vietnam Boat People. I fell in love with a Vietnamese Girl but the cultural exchange was not compatible in the late 60's ;o(

I generally don't get involved with politics but this happening is a re-occurrence in America. I impressed that some of you are reading my threads and actually giving some positive feed back. As they say "Eat the Best and Forget the Rest" - LOL
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Lets just say, following WWII due to the economic state of some of the European countries, the US took a blind eye to their colonialism. So, our hands are still not clean when the French were occupiers.
 
fskimospy said:
I agree they share a large amount of the blame, but I think there is a 'you broke it you bought it' element that never goes away entirely.

My larger point though was that whatever responsibility we had to try and fix it we met it LONG ago.
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I agree, we should have left long, long ago, specially if the reports are true that the afghan soldiers where lazy, didn't follow orders/direction, showed up late, in other words, straight up didn't care. The moment that was proven true, we should have exited. That is where our failure was, trying to continue something that was obvious futile.
 
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