Why banning the headscarf is simply as stupid as...

[BurnItDwn]

The headscarf to me should be under the same rules as hats.
If a hat is acceptable, then a headscarf is acceptable.
If a hat is unacceptable, then no headscarf.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
The headscarf to me should be under the same rules as hats.
If a hat is acceptable, then a headscarf is acceptable.
If a hat is unacceptable, then no headscarf.

Now what if to other people the headscarf is more than simply a "hat"? Would you also be opposed to Sikh males wearing their turbans?

 

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
The headscarf to me should be under the same rules as hats.
If a hat is acceptable, then a headscarf is acceptable.
If a hat is unacceptable, then no headscarf.

Now what if to other people the headscarf is more than simply a "hat"? Would you also be opposed to Sikh males wearing their turbans?

Generally no. I am not opposed to it at all. I am also not opposed to people wearing a hat.

Also, not all hats will get the same rules obviously. For instance, a top hat at a movie theatre is not appropriate as it can impede other's ability to see the movie, but many hats and turban's won't.

Though for some things, like when they take your drivers license photo, a hat (or a turban, or a headscarf, etc) really isn't appropriate at all under any conditions.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
The headscarf to me should be under the same rules as hats.
If a hat is acceptable, then a headscarf is acceptable.
If a hat is unacceptable, then no headscarf.

Now what if to other people the headscarf is more than simply a "hat"? Would you also be opposed to Sikh males wearing their turbans?

Generally no. I am not opposed to it at all. I am also not opposed to people wearing a hat.

Also, not all hats will get the same rules obviously. For instance, a top hat at a movie theatre is not appropriate as it can impede other's ability to see the movie, but many hats and turban's won't.

Though for some things, like when they take your drivers license photo, a hat (or a turban, or a headscarf, etc) really isn't appropriate at all under any conditions.

why? Your than likely to have it on if when they check your ID.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: 1prophet
There is an ideological war going on in the backround between secularism and those that feel threatened by it (religious extremists), and they make it seem that there can be only two outcomes.
Woman would be permitted by the authorities to wear the hijab at will which they will claim as a victory or they will be refused and they then will claim religious persecution and use it as an effective form of division forcing the us versus them mentality.

Then what do we do about it 1prophet? I know many people, including myself, who support a women's right to wear a hijab (As well as support their right NOT to wear one) yet we are not extremists. If anything, it is simply classical libertarian spirit.



Btw - you don't know WHAT extremists will do...how do you know they will make it mandatory to wear it? If women are threatened or there is intimidation...THAT is the job of the secular state to intervene on the women's behalf.

You answered your own question.

By the way I remember them originally as the Grace Kelly or Audrey Hepburn scarf which gave woman that high class diva look, and it wasn't worn for religious reasons but fashion. Scroll halfway down

And here is Sophia Loren

This page focuses on a lost art...wearing headscarves...what today is sometimes called head wraps. Back in the 1950's, 60's, and early 70's, wearing headscarves was fashionable...even with teenage girls. So what happened?

Three turns of fate...

First, the Catholic Church stopped requiring that women cover their heads in church. Second, the carmakers stopped making convertibles (they make them again, but the damage is done). Finally (and worst of all), the Iranian takeover of the US Embassy in 1979. Headscarves were linked with religion again, but this time (in what Western countries perceived) in a negative way. Of course, there were changes in hairstyles and other factors, but these were the big three...particularly the last. Of course, the September 11th attack and the war with Iraq has once again provided an unfair negative focus on headscarves.

 

[brownzilla786]

From what I have seen no one was "forced" to wear a hijab, and I know alot of hijab wearing women. Of course your going to have the parents that make their child wear the hijab, but for the most part parents allow the kid to choose to wear it if they want. But thats looking at american muslim families only.

As for hijab's being banned from universities etc...thats just retarded. It's a direct attack on muslims and their right to practice their religion. By stopping them from wearing the hijab, they think that they will loosen their islamic values and become more like everyone else. The hijab is not hurting anyone in anyway, and poses no threat to society. For identification purposes, I dont think burkas should be allowed, and the woman should wear a hijab instead for the picture, not much can be done about that

 

[fskimospy]

Guys, seriously... read up on Turkey's situation. It is not America over there...

Advocate freedom of expression if you want... that's great. Realize though that they are battling Islamic fundamentalism there of a very similar sort that so many people are afraid will take over in Iraq. These restrictions are most certainly repressive towards Islam. They found through experience however that if they do not suppress it there, it tends to overthrow their government.

As an honest question, do you think turkish secular government is more important, or freedom of religious expression? Totally serious here.

I think you can make an argument either way, but it is important to realize what sorts of pressures have led to these restrictions.