Why arent police cars painted high viz colors

[jlee]

Of course they don't exist everywhere.

But the fact that they do exist is bad enough.

I have a friend that work for state police and he confirms.....he also worked with # of different cities police forces.

So stop it with your condescending bullshit.

 

[SandEagle]

You realize I have a lot more time actively working in law enforcement than you do, right? Unless you were an officer for five years - but I have very strong doubts on that front. The stereotypes you so strongly believe in do not exist everywhere.

wait i thought you were joking. you a cop for real? lol

 

[jlee]

wait i thought you were joking. you a cop for real? lol

2006-2011, where've u been bro?

 

[SandEagle]

2006-2011, where've u been bro?

what do you do now? just curious why did you quit? out of guilt?

 

[jlee]

what do you do now? just curious why did you quit? out of guilt?

Saved a couple lives, no guilt there. You can go pound sand.

 

[FeuerFrei]

Euros are renowned for their lack of taste. Hardly a role model to emulate.

In these last 3 years, local police here have traded in their signature Crown Vics for Taurii and Tahoes in classic "white middle-black ends" color scheme. Looks good. For decades they drove white vehicles with a blue city logo on the door.

 

[darkswordsman17]

So stop it with your condescending bullshit.

Sorry but the condescending bullshit is coming from police departments that think they're above the law or people acting like police are some wholly benevolent force that does no wrong.

But hey, you can try and pretend there aren't tons of cities that get revenue directly (and way too many that straight up depend on it) from law enforcement ticketing if you want.

Euros are renowned for their lack of taste. Hardly a role model to emulate.

In these last 3 years, local police here have traded in their signature Crown Vics for Taurii and Tahoes in classic "white middle-black ends" color scheme. Looks good. For decades they drove white vehicles with a blue city logo on the door.

Who gives a shit about "taste"?

Emergency vehicles should all be very discernible and visible at all times. If they actually really gave a shit about keeping speeding in check for safety then they'd know that having a clear visible deterrent is actually the best thing to achieve that, not hiding in barely marked cars so they can jump out and give tickets.

 

[TheVrolok]

So stop it with your condescending bullshit.

Dude's a troll, don't bother.

 

[RaistlinZ]

I prefer cops to look like this:

 

[smackababy]

Sorry but the condescending bullshit is coming from police departments that think they're above the law or people acting like police are some wholly benevolent force that does no wrong.

But hey, you can try and pretend there aren't tons of cities that get revenue directly (and way too many that straight up depend on it) from law enforcement ticketing if you want.

Funny how nobody has said either of those.

Who gives a shit about "taste"?

Emergency vehicles should all be very discernible and visible at all times. If they actually really gave a shit about keeping speeding in check for safety then they'd know that having a clear visible deterrent is actually the best thing to achieve that, not hiding in barely marked cars so they can jump out and give tickets.

When in response to an emergency, they have these bright ass flashing lights and a loud, piercing siren. If that isn't "visible" enough, painting it bright orange won't change it.


And, what does it matter if the cop is visible or not when waiting to catch speeds. That affects me in no way, as I'm not a fucking asshole that speeds. And, if I was, I certainly wouldn't complain about having someone "boost revenue" over me breaking the fucking law.

 

[jlee]

Sorry but the condescending bullshit is coming from police departments that think they're above the law or people acting like police are some wholly benevolent force that does no wrong.

But hey, you can try and pretend there aren't tons of cities that get revenue directly (and way too many that straight up depend on it) from law enforcement ticketing if you want.

What part of:

Your judges get paid per ticket? That's messed up.

Fits your allegations?

Did you bother to read what I posted? You know what, how about you quote exactly what I said and show me where I indicated anything of the kind.

Nothing of what you said bears any relevance to the topic of discussion, so short of insulting your intelligence (or lack thereof) I have nothing further to contribute.

Dude's a troll, don't bother.

Yeah, I know. He's spouting nonsense in the garage too.

 

[dullard]

Your judges get paid per ticket? That's messed up.

https://www.lincoln.ne.gov/city/attorn/faqpt2.htm

"What are Court Costs? The judge will assess court costs against you if you are found guilty of the violation....You also pay court costs if you plead guilty or pay your fine by waiver...
What costs do court costs pay for? As the name implies, court costs go to the court system to help pay for the administrative costs such as docket fees, judges retirement fund, law enforcement improvement fund, legal services, court automation, and miscellaneous fees."

Basically, if an officer gives a ticket (justified or not), and the judge finds the person guilty (justified or not), then the judge's retirement fund gets money. To me that gives a judge a perverse incentive to side with officers to find people guilty. The more the judge sides with officers, the easier it is on the officer, so the more tickets the officer has time to give, so the more cases come to the judge, so the judge gets more money, etc. It is a nasty viscious circle.

If the judge routinely finds people innocent, then the judge's retirement fund doesn't get paid.

Judges should have no financial gain from being with or against the officers.

 

[BoberFett]

1. Has to hide in order to catch speeders
2. Have to intimidate the public, otherwise they won't respect your authoritah!
3. Have to keep your officers in the proper mindset of being an agent of the police state.

Black is the best choice for these requirements.

This.

 

[jlee]

https://www.lincoln.ne.gov/city/attorn/faqpt2.htm

"What are Court Costs? The judge will assess court costs against you if you are found guilty of the violation....You also pay court costs if you plead guilty or pay your fine by waiver...
What costs do court costs pay for? As the name implies, court costs go to the court system to help pay for the administrative costs such as docket fees, judges retirement fund, law enforcement improvement fund, legal services, court automation, and miscellaneous fees."

Basically, if an officer gives a ticket (justified or not), and the judge finds the person guilty (justified or not), then the judge's retirement fund gets money. To me that gives a judge a perverse incentive to side with officers to find people guilty. The more the judge sides with officers, the easier it is on the officer, so the more tickets the officer has time to give, so the more cases come to the judge, so the judge gets more money, etc. It is a nasty viscious circle.

If the judge routinely finds people innocent, then the judge's retirement fund doesn't get paid.

Judges should have no financial gain from being with or against the officers.

In my experience, there are more than enough guilty people out there that there's no need to falsely convict innocent people for financial purposes. From that allocation of funds, I would assume that if the retirement fund grew or shrank, it would have no bearing on the individual judge. They'll get their retirement somehow, whether it's through that financing or some other way (tax reallocation/etc). I read the post as judges receiving a kickback from guilty convictions, which would be suuuuch a bad idea (almost as bad as hiring 3rd party companies to run traffic light cameras - remember the incidents where they were caught reducing yellow light times to get more tickets?).

Again, I can only speak for rural-ish NH. I have no experience with all these stereotypical dirty big cities.

 

[BoberFett]

Sorry but the condescending bullshit is coming from police departments that think they're above the law or people acting like police are some wholly benevolent force that does no wrong.

But hey, you can try and pretend there aren't tons of cities that get revenue directly (and way too many that straight up depend on it) from law enforcement ticketing if you want.



Who gives a shit about "taste"?

Emergency vehicles should all be very discernible and visible at all times. If they actually really gave a shit about keeping speeding in check for safety then they'd know that having a clear visible deterrent is actually the best thing to achieve that, not hiding in barely marked cars so they can jump out and give tickets.

Exactly. They care far more about speeding as a revenue stream than they do for public safety.

 

[jlee]

I think it's time for me to leave the circle-jerk of cop hate.

Have fun, guys.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

In my town they paint them black with dark gray lettering that you can't see more than 10 feet away. Pretty much because all the cops do here is give speeding tickets. House gets robbed? WGAF?

 

[Bubbleawsome]

Brown on black is pretty hard to see:

I see you live in fort worth. Can I assume that car is from the Mansfield just around Arlington? I used to live there. Our cars were the classic white/black, but when the fleet updated they changed the cars to dodge chargers with black/white and the SUVs were suburbans. Half were black/white with lightbars half were internal lights only. They were black/white only though, never saw a black/brown one.

This does look cool though.

I'd drive one.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Funny about all you "revenue" complainers. If you didn't insist on breaking the law it would make no difference

<-- have never been pulled over

 

[gorb]

I see you live in fort worth. Can I assume that car is from the Mansfield just around Arlington? I used to live there. Our cars were the classic white/black, but when the fleet updated they changed the cars to dodge chargers with black/white and the SUVs were suburbans. Half were black/white with lightbars half were internal lights only. They were black/white only though, never saw a black/brown one.

This does look cool though.

I'd drive one.

Yeah, that's a mansfield police SUV.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

All those flashing lights are just like camouflage.

 

[notposting]

A suburb near here where I lived for a while (Livonia MI) would make those black and whites look obvious.

They have a whole array of various cruisers (different models) and in different colors -- no lightbar, but the damn things light up like a TSO concert when they pull someone over.

Here's an example of one of their paint colors: http://www.2040-cars.com/Ford/Crown-Victoria/2011-ford-crown-victoria-police-interceptor-527985/

"Oh hey, Grandma has her car out and WHOA LOOK AT THE LIGHTS"

They also only put markings on one side of the traffic (ticket trap) cruisers so it's even less obvious to the coming traffic.

 

[notposting]

It was really weird moving from the UP with 200-300" + of snow every year where they don't even mess with cars, everything is an SUV. It took a year or two for me to even recognize cars as threats (don't get me started on the motorcycles).

 

[SlowSpyder]

To Protect and Serve (and generate revenue).

 

[twinrider1]

Police are generally out on the roads all the time. Fire and Paramedics are only out of their garage when on a run. If police cars were as brightly painted, they spend so much time on the street that the paint's effect would be lessened.

Also, police cars are based on production cars. It probably started as a cost issue. Ford/Chevy doesn't generally stock HiVis Yellow.

Where Fire Trucks and Squads are generally custom built, so it's not like they paint anything but fire trucks and squads. Custom color is built into the process.

And finally, a town will have many more police cars than fire trucks. Police cars are utility, lowest cost/unit items.