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GrGr

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Originally posted by: etech
GrGr

Did or did not Iraq support terrorists? Yes or no.

Did or did not the US support terrorists? Yes or no.

In fact. Does the US still support terrorists? Yes or no.

Did or did not Iraq support terrorists? Yes or no.
Yes. Iraq under Saddam did at least support one tired old terrorist, what was his name Abu something can't remember. There however has been no proof of a working connection between Saddam and Al Qa'ida. There was a working connection between Saddam and the US terrorist regime in Washington under Reagan (Reagan was found guilty for world terrorism by an international juridical body for his operations in Nicaragua).

If you are fighting against terrorism you must fight against ALL terrorism. Yes or no.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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jeezus people I was only being facetious. Of course the whole south is not as "backwards" as people claim it to be. I was actually in South Carolina for a month visiting relatives and loved it there. Some of the nicest and most friendliest people I've ever met, certainly wouldn't mind settling down in a place like SC.
My only beef is that it seems many "liberal" views are suppressed in these conservative environments. People who grew up Republican are so only because they don't know of any other way of life. It seems to me like a lot of Republicans grew up Republican whereas many Democrats CHOSE to become Democrats.
 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: etech
GrGr

Did or did not Iraq support terrorists? Yes or no.

I'll bite. Straight from 911 commission, there is no Iraq-al-qaeda tie. So no, Iraq did not support the TERRORIST WE ARE FIGHTING.

Reread the commission report again, you misstated it. It stated that the commission could not find a link where Iraq cooperated with Al Queada in the 9/11 acts. It also stated that there have been contacts between Saddam and Al-Queada.

Did Pres. Bush say we are only going to fight one single terrorist group? Please find that statement and post a link to it.

Also, just for arguments sake. Would you list what were all of the reasons that Al Queada stated for their terrorist attack in Spain? Note, all of their stated reasons, not just some of them.

Last time I checked, "contact" does not become "support" automatically. If Iraq has been supporting Al-Qaeda like you claimed, how come they are not involved in 911, the worest single one attack any one, or any nation for that matter, has done to the US.

And please don't tell me Bush is going to drag everyone one of us into every political struggle around the world just because one side is labeled "terrorist". I would like to think the tax I paid get to be used on me or my kids somehow.

Lastly, I don't know what you're talking about in Spain. The last presidant had us believed that it was ETA who attacked, and since he was the old buddy of Bush and the leader of free spain fighting against terrorism, not believing/supproting him would be a crime wouldn't it.
 

etech

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Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: etech
GrGr

Did or did not Iraq support terrorists? Yes or no.

I'll bite. Straight from 911 commission, there is no Iraq-al-qaeda tie. So no, Iraq did not support the TERRORIST WE ARE FIGHTING.

Reread the commission report again, you misstated it. It stated that the commission could not find a link where Iraq cooperated with Al Queada in the 9/11 acts. It also stated that there have been contacts between Saddam and Al-Queada.

Did Pres. Bush say we are only going to fight one single terrorist group? Please find that statement and post a link to it.

Also, just for arguments sake. Would you list what were all of the reasons that Al Queada stated for their terrorist attack in Spain? Note, all of their stated reasons, not just some of them.

Last time I checked, "contact" does not become "support" automatically. If Iraq has been supporting Al-Qaeda like you claimed, how come they are not involved in 911, the worest single one attack any one, or any nation for that matter, has done to the US.

And please don't tell me Bush is going to drag everyone one of us into every political struggle around the world just because one side is labeled "terrorist". I would like to think the tax I paid get to be used on me or my kids somehow.

Lastly, I don't know what you're talking about in Spain. The last presidant had us believed that it was ETA who attacked, and since he was the old buddy of Bush and the leader of free spain fighting against terrorism, not believing/supproting him would be a crime wouldn't it.


Nope, just because there was contact between Saddam and Al-Queada does not mean that they were actively cooperating against their common enemy. As for "like I claimed", please point out where I claimed that.

I don't think Pres. Bush is going to drag us into fight against terrorists. I think the terrorists will do that all by themselves. But I'm curious, are advocating isolationism? Would you prefer to wait until the terrorists come to our shores again before doing anything about them?

The last president of Spain, the one that was voted out after the Al-Queada terrorist attack did at first believe it was the ETA. Subsequent investigation did point to Al-Queada. And of course the Al-Queada claim that Spain was attacked for it's support of a free Iraq does seem to show some sort of concern on Al-Queada's part about Iraq. But than you seem to claim that Al-Queada doesn't even know where Iraq is.
 
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Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Topic: Why are you not voting for Kerry?
Because Osama and the rest of al-queda want Kerry in...That's reason #1, and all the other issues between dems & repubs take a distant second place
 

element

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Originally posted by: Joxer
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Topic: Why are you not voting for Kerry?
Because Osama and the rest of al-queda want Kerry in...That's reason #1, and all the other issues between dems & repubs take a distant second place

So you're letting Osama and his crew tell you who to vote for? That's a piss poor reason if i've ever heard one. How about voting for who would be best for the nation for a change? (Or who would be least worst for the nation if you like that wording better)
 

Genesys

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Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: etech
GrGr

Did or did not Iraq support terrorists? Yes or no.

I'll bite. Straight from 911 commission, there is no Iraq-al-qaeda tie. So no, Iraq did not support the TERRORIST WE ARE FIGHTING.

what the hell do you mean "the terrorists we are fighting"?! we are fighting all terrorists, not just some special group of them.

damn, thats whats wrong with the left, they think we're only fighting al qaeda instead of all terrorists!
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: etech
GrGr

Did or did not Iraq support terrorists? Yes or no.

I'll bite. Straight from 911 commission, there is no Iraq-al-qaeda tie. So no, Iraq did not support the TERRORIST WE ARE FIGHTING.

what the hell do you mean "the terrorists we are fighting"?! we are fighting all terrorists, not just some special group of them.

damn, thats whats wrong with the left, they think we're only fighting al qaeda instead of all terrorists!

When was the last time we launched an operation against Hamas?
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: Joxer
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Topic: Why are you not voting for Kerry?
Because Osama and the rest of al-queda want Kerry in...That's reason #1, and all the other issues between dems & repubs take a distant second place

How do you know who al Qaida wants for President?

What information are you basing this statement? Please provide a link or a reference.

Or are you repeating Republican slime?
 

rudder

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Because he wants to give illegal immigrants a type of earned legalization. Dubya has a similar plan which I am against, but Kerrys goes a bit further. If you start giving people that broke the law amnesty, imagine the flood gates that will open up for illegal immigration into this country.
 

Macro2

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RE:"Because he wants to give illegal immigrants a type of earned legalization. Dubya has a similar plan which I am against, but Kerrys goes a bit further. If you start giving people that broke the law amnesty, imagine the flood gates that will open up for illegal immigration into this country"

So who do you vote for that will protect the borders?
 

Fingolfin269

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As of now I'm voting for Bush. I really know nothing about Kerry because no one has really said much about any 'issues' other than the war and whether or not Bush did or did not make some 4 word remark.

What about the economy? Taxes? Health Care? Education? I haven't heard a peep about this and it annoys the hell out of me.

Hopefully we'll actually get to hear more about these things before the election.
 

JellyBaby

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Not sure on Kerry. He isn't special in any way. It seems he has no driving vision and few convictions. It would be a 4 to 8 year drive on autopilot with him. My take is that he loves the game of politics more than building a better America. However, Kerry would make a better president than Bush, easily. But I also feel a vote cast against one's conscience is a wasted one and I loathe voting for the lesser of two evils every 4 years. After a while it just takes all the zest out of voting you know?

To ensure Bush and the neocorns lose is very nearly worth it, however, at least in the short term even if that is a dumb way to vote IMO. In the longer term it hardly seems to matter--one party gets us to a depressing end a bit sooner than the other, that's all. No third-party is ready to gain a foothold at the federal level yet and of course the Ds and Rs go out of their way to ensure "two party democracy" stands. But no third-party yet has attracted and kept my eye, though I still need to check out the libby's officially endorsed non-collective candidate for office.
 

Orsorum

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I despise Bush to no end; however, I'm uneasy about voting for Kerry because I have never really understood what he stands for. Bush flip flops as well, but at least I have a grasp on some of his core beliefs.

At this rate I might actually vote Nader.
 

0roo0roo

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# Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.
# Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.
# Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.
# Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.
# Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.
# Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.
# Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.
# Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
# Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.
# Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.
# Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits
# Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
# Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.
# Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.
# Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will
# Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.
# Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote
# Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.
# Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.

BUSH FLIP FLOPS:

:1:
STEM CELL RESEARCH
President Bush can't seem to figure out if he is fororagainst the sanctity of life. He opposed stem cell research, saying that it is an abomination...but existing stem cell lines could still be used. I guess he thinks that existing abominations don't have any life in his view, but new ones that could be made do.

:2:
During the 2000 campaign, Bush appeared on ABC?s This Week. As reported by Rich Lowry of the National Review, George Will asked Bush a direct question:

WILL: In which case, would you veto the McCain-Feingold bill, or the Shays-Meehan bill?

BUSH: That's an interesting question. I ? I ? yes I would?

FLIP FLOP: Once in office, Bush flipped flopped and signed the McCain-Feingold bill into law


:3:
ABORTION FLIP FLOP
When you [BUSH] ran unsuccessfully for Congress in 1978 in Texas, you gave an interview to the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal newspaper. You were asked about your position on abortion, and this is how that newspaper reported your answer: "Bush said he opposes the pro-life amendment [which would outlaw abortion] and favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question." Sixteen years later, when you ran for governor in Texas in 1994, you campaigned as an antiabortion conservative. Few people seem to realize your position on abortion changed 180 degrees. Please tell us, when did you change your view on abortion and why?

:4:
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION FLIP FLOP
When the University of Michigan affirmative action cases were before the Supreme Court, the Bush administration filed a brief opposing the programs. Mr. Bush said that the ?method used by the University of Michigan ?is fundamentally flawed."

After the Supreme Court upheld the law school admissions program and reaffirmed that race can be one criterion in such decisions, CNN reported that Mr. Bush said he was ?happy the nation's highest court recognized the value of diversity.?<--NOW HE LIKES THAT THEY FAVORED THE RACE CRITERIA?

:5:
During the 2000 campaign, Then Governor Bush appeared on Larry King Live. King asked Bush, "If a state were voting on gay marriage, you would suggest to that state not to approve it?"

Bush took the states right approach, responding ?the state can do what they want to do.? Now, of course, Bush wants a constitutional amendment to make sure that states can not do anything they want.
 
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I'd vote for Kerry. Except for the fact that he and his party are villainizing their own country's noble liberaiton of the Iraqi people for political gain so they can try to assume power and push a progressive morally-bankrupt liberal agenda. Bastards.
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: CFster
I'm 36 years old and I've never voted.

I am this fall - for the other guy.
Yes, yes. But when are you going to move out of your parent's basement?
 

Tripleshot

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
# Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.
# Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.
# Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.
# Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.
# Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.
# Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.
# Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.
# Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
# Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.
# Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.
# Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits
# Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
# Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.
# Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.
# Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will
# Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.
# Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote
# Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.
# Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.

BUSH FLIP FLOPS:

:1:
STEM CELL RESEARCH
President Bush can't seem to figure out if he is fororagainst the sanctity of life. He opposed stem cell research, saying that it is an abomination...but existing stem cell lines could still be used. I guess he thinks that existing abominations don't have any life in his view, but new ones that could be made do.

:2:
During the 2000 campaign, Bush appeared on ABC?s This Week. As reported by Rich Lowry of the National Review, George Will asked Bush a direct question:

WILL: In which case, would you veto the McCain-Feingold bill, or the Shays-Meehan bill?

BUSH: That's an interesting question. I ? I ? yes I would?

FLIP FLOP: Once in office, Bush flipped flopped and signed the McCain-Feingold bill into law


:3:
ABORTION FLIP FLOP
When you [BUSH] ran unsuccessfully for Congress in 1978 in Texas, you gave an interview to the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal newspaper. You were asked about your position on abortion, and this is how that newspaper reported your answer: "Bush said he opposes the pro-life amendment [which would outlaw abortion] and favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question." Sixteen years later, when you ran for governor in Texas in 1994, you campaigned as an antiabortion conservative. Few people seem to realize your position on abortion changed 180 degrees. Please tell us, when did you change your view on abortion and why?

:4:
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION FLIP FLOP
When the University of Michigan affirmative action cases were before the Supreme Court, the Bush administration filed a brief opposing the programs. Mr. Bush said that the ?method used by the University of Michigan ?is fundamentally flawed."

After the Supreme Court upheld the law school admissions program and reaffirmed that race can be one criterion in such decisions, CNN reported that Mr. Bush said he was ?happy the nation's highest court recognized the value of diversity.?<--NOW HE LIKES THAT THEY FAVORED THE RACE CRITERIA?

:5:
During the 2000 campaign, Then Governor Bush appeared on Larry King Live. King asked Bush, "If a state were voting on gay marriage, you would suggest to that state not to approve it?"

Bush took the states right approach, responding ?the state can do what they want to do.? Now, of course, Bush wants a constitutional amendment to make sure that states can not do anything they want.



If you cant baffle them with bullsh!t, dazzle them with facts. Very good read. Thanks
:beer:
 

etech

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: CFster
I'm 36 years old and I've never voted.

I am this fall - for the other guy.
Yes, yes. But when are you going to move out of your parent's basement?

Are you looking for a new place to live Perk?