Why are you not voting for Kerry?

Siddhartha

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On this forum, people have written that they hate John Kerry.

Why?

What do you have against Mr Kerry's policies?

Please keep your answers on topic.

Comments about his looks or regurgitation of Republican slime are not acceptable.

Please provide links and other supporting information for your answers.


Thanks
 

Dari

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Mr. Unreliable. One man can't be all things to all people. Eventually, he'll have everyone hating him.

PS: When he's liberal, he's ultra-liberal.
 

Riprorin

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He's a liberal from Massachusetts who shamlessly used American soldiers as a stepping stones to further his political career. He's an unprincipled individual who will stop at nothing to get elected.
 

Riprorin

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In my opinion, Lieberman was the best Democratic candidate. I may have voted for him had he been nominated.
 

etech

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Originally posted by: Siddhartha
On this forum, people have written that they hate John Kerry.

Why?

What do you have against Mr Kerry's policies?

Please keep your answers on topic.

Comments about his looks or regurgitation of Republican slime are not acceptable.

Please provide links and other supporting information for your answers.


Thanks

I don't remember anyone saying they hate Kerry.

Anyway.

1) Electing Kerry would send a very strong message to Al Queada that they have won another battle.
2) I disagree with socialism and believe Kerry would move the US even futher left than it already is.
3) I am not a proponent of a one world government and believe that Kerry would move in that direction.
4) I have not seen where Kerry has all that much support except from the anti-Bush crowd.
5) I believe Pres. Bush can handle national defense now and in the future better than Kerry.

That's enough for now. I expect someone will go into an raving fit over that anyway. Who will it be?
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
He's a liberal from Massachusetts who shamlessly used American soldiers as a stepping stones to further his political career. He's an unprincipled individual who will stop at nothing to get elected.

this plus the fact that he is good buddies with Teddy the Drunk Kennedy and meatball Mayor Meninio...sorry but short of Romney and a few other select Mass politicians I think they are all dirtbags and I cannot stand them.
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
On this forum, people have written that they hate John Kerry.

Why?

What do you have against Mr Kerry's policies?

Please keep your answers on topic.

Comments about his looks or regurgitation of Republican slime are not acceptable.

Please provide links and other supporting information for your answers.


Thanks

I don't remember anyone saying they hate Kerry.

Anyway.

1) Electing Kerry would send a very strong message to Al Queada that they have won another battle.
2) I disagree with socialism and believe Kerry would move the US even futher left than it already is.
3) I am not a proponent of a one world government and believe that Kerry would move in that direction.
4) I have not seen where Kerry has all that much support except from the anti-Bush crowd.
5) I believe Pres. Bush can handle national defense now and in the future better than Kerry.

That's enough for now. I expect someone will go into an raving fit over that anyway. Who will it be?

I hate John Kerry and his uber liberal cronies.
 

Hossenfeffer

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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
....

I don't remember anyone saying they hate Kerry.

Anyway.

1) Electing Kerry would send a very strong message to Al Queada that they have won another battle.
2) I disagree with socialism and believe Kerry would move the US even futher left than it already is.
3) I am not a proponent of a one world government and believe that Kerry would move in that direction.
4) I have not seen where Kerry has all that much support except from the anti-Bush crowd.
5) I believe Pres. Bush can handle national defense now and in the future better than Kerry.

That's enough for now. I expect someone will go into an raving fit over that anyway. Who will it be?

I'm actually leaning toward Kerry, but I did appreciate E-tech's above post. It could easily be argued that electing Kerry could indeed bolster Al Queada. I'd also agree that Kerry doesn't have a large degree of support from outside the anti-bush crowd.

As far as looks and such go, there is an arguable value to "looks", both in how the candidate is perceived by citizens as well as how he is perceived abroad, particularly if there ia a language barrier. Shallow as that may be, one -could- argue it, imho. I'd like to think I would never vote principally on looks, but we humans have done stranger things. :)

I'm surprised that I've waffled as much as I have in who to vote for. At times, I've been part of the "anyone but Bush" folks, simply because it seemed he just pulled one "groaner" after another that would make me wince. To add to that (and very shallowly, I might add), I want to see someone in office who I consider to be articulate and well-read. *duck*
 

CADsortaGUY

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I'm voting FOR Bush. Pragmatism is needed at times but in this case it's not the opponent who's deciding my vote - it's the candidate who gained my vote.

CkG
 

CrazyDe1

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I don't like either candidate either. I actually liked Dean although I didn't agree with his views at least he was passionate and willing to take a stand. Kerry won't take a side on an issue.

Although given the choice between Bush being reelected I'd take Kerry.
 

MidasKnight

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1) Electing Kerry would send a very strong message to Al Queada that they have won another battle.
2) I disagree with socialism and believe Kerry would move the US even futher left than it already is.
3) I am not a proponent of a one world government and believe that Kerry would move in that direction.
4) I have not seen where Kerry has all that much support except from the anti-Bush crowd.
5) I believe Pres. Bush can handle national defense now and in the future better than Kerry.

That's how I feel. I'll vote President Bush this time. But should Kerry win, I'll support him as President of the United States of America.
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: NFS4
I don't like either one, I don't know what I'm gonna do :(

Vote Badnarik. One Vote for Badnarik cancels out One Vote for Nader. :p

BWAHA!

The reason it's truely funny is Nader has yet to get on a single state ballot, and in all likely hood wont be on any while, Badnarik will be on all 50.
 

bjc112

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Originally posted by: MidasKnight
1) Electing Kerry would send a very strong message to Al Queada that they have won another battle.
2) I disagree with socialism and believe Kerry would move the US even futher left than it already is.
3) I am not a proponent of a one world government and believe that Kerry would move in that direction.
4) I have not seen where Kerry has all that much support except from the anti-Bush crowd.
5) I believe Pres. Bush can handle national defense now and in the future better than Kerry.

That's how I feel. I'll vote President Bush this time. But Should Kerry win, I'll support him as President of the United States of America.

I agree..

Even though some things have been done wrong, I fully support President Bush...
 

Train

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IMO:

Libermain > Kerry
Leiberman > Bush
McCain > Bush
McCain > Leiberman (though not by much)

Leiberman was probably the only democrat I would have voted for this year. The only republican I would take over Leiberman would be McCain.

I am voting for Bush because I can see past his lack of charm and articulation that the Media loves to use to make him look stupid. I'm sorry but no matter who someone is, if they are president of the USA, its hard to call them stupid. He may not be the charmer Slick Willy was, or the strong speaker/leader like Reagan, and hes made some Yogi Berra like comments that dont make any sense, but by no means is he "stupid"

Hes strong on Defense, you can argue that hes not going about it the right way, and that his methods infringe on our liberties, but in reality you have to realize that terrorists were successfull due to the immense liberties, freedoms, and privacy enjoyed by anyone within our borders, US citizen or not. They used our own "loop holes" if you will, to execute 9/11, in my opinion, cutting off the ability to exploit our liberties for uses against us, is the only way to truly combat terrorism within our borders. You can have all the intelligence agencies money can buy, but they wont be able to stop every terrrosist attack if we hold liberties above security.

As for standing up for the American workers, Bush was the only president as far back as I can remember to actually do this, not just talk about it, putting the tarrif on imported steel saved thousands of jobs, it was hotly contested by the international community, but instead of being an appeaser to the UN pansies, he stood up for US steel workers, which took some courage, he kept the tarrifs until the threat of a trade war was nearly upon us, and finnaly repealed them, economists have said that even though the tarrifs no longer exist, the year or so that they were in place gave the US Steel industry a chance to get back on its feet, and when the tarrifs did recind, the Steel industry was much stronger and was able to compete with foreign steel companies. The democrats solution would have been to not piss off any other countries, let the US Steel industry crumble, then put all the steel workers on extended unemployment, increasing the burden on us all.

I have a few more issues I'd talk about now, but im gonna go drink some beers.
 

M0NEYSH0T

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1) Electing Kerry would send a very strong message to Al Queada that they have won another battle.
2) I disagree with socialism and believe Kerry would move the US even futher left than it already is.
3) I am not a proponent of a one world government and believe that Kerry would move in that direction.
4) I have not seen where Kerry has all that much support except from the anti-Bush crowd.
5) I believe Pres. Bush can handle national defense now and in the future better than Kerry.

Thank you for summing this up so nicely.

6) Kerry is a flip-flopper
7) I do not believe in the Robin Hood mentality of the Democrats, i.e., taxing the wealthy more just because they have more, which refers to the socialist style govt.
 

MovingTarget

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Kerry is simply an uninspiring candidate. The positions he has put forth seem like they will turn out to be nothing more than hot air come the time he was in office (hypothetically). I just feel it. He is just coasting on the "anit-Bush" hysteria sweeping the nation. If anyone but Bush were already president, Kerry wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell. I already support President Bush on issues like gay marriage, the necessity of the Iraq war (although I disagree with his timing somewhat), affirmative action, gun control, and a few other things. Kerry has a better view (although not necessarily one I agree with) on the tax structure than Bush does and possibly a better view on fair trade. When it comes to civil liberties and environmental issues, Kerry is far superior to Bush. As you can see, the few comments I have typed so far supporting Kerry have had to reference President Bush. I cannot find a reason to support him on his own. Besides, I like to think myself a conservative leaning democrat. A liberal like Kerry would lead the party and the country in the wrong direction. Someone more of a centrist/moderate is what this country needs, nor more neo-liberalism/socialism/whatever (neo-liberalism used to differentiate between classical definition of liberalism). Lieberman would have been perfect. Lieberman>possibly McCain>*. Not only would democrats and the "not bush" crowd's vote be literally handed to him, but more independantly minded and even disgruntled republican votes would be his as well. Instead, most of these people are just going to stay at home or vote Bush/Nader/etc. This is what group I now fall into. If it had been Lieberman, I would be voting for him enthusiastically because I support his positions strongly...and I wouldn't have to even mention Bush to say so.
 

CrazyDe1

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Originally posted by: Train
IMO:

Libermain > Kerry
Leiberman > Bush
McCain > Bush
McCain > Leiberman (though not by much)

Leiberman was probably the only democrat I would have voted for this year. The only republican I would take over Leiberman would be McCain.

I am voting for Bush because I can see past his lack of charm and articulation that the Media loves to use to make him look stupid. I'm sorry but no matter who someone is, if they are president of the USA, its hard to call them stupid. He may not be the charmer Slick Willy was, or the strong speaker/leader like Reagan, and hes made some Yogi Berra like comments that dont make any sense, but by no means is he "stupid"

Hes strong on Defense, you can argue that hes not going about it the right way, and that his methods infringe on our liberties, but in reality you have to realize that terrorists were successfull due to the immense liberties, freedoms, and privacy enjoyed by anyone within our borders, US citizen or not. They used our own "loop holes" if you will, to execute 9/11, in my opinion, cutting off the ability to exploit our liberties for uses against us, is the only way to truly combat terrorism within our borders. You can have all the intelligence agencies money can buy, but they wont be able to stop every terrrosist attack if we hold liberties above security.

As for standing up for the American workers, Bush was the only president as far back as I can remember to actually do this, not just talk about it, putting the tarrif on imported steel saved thousands of jobs, it was hotly contested by the international community, but instead of being an appeaser to the UN pansies, he stood up for US steel workers, which took some courage, he kept the tarrifs until the threat of a trade war was nearly upon us, and finnaly repealed them, economists have said that even though the tarrifs no longer exist, the year or so that they were in place gave the US Steel industry a chance to get back on its feet, and when the tarrifs did recind, the Steel industry was much stronger and was able to compete with foreign steel companies. The democrats solution would have been to not piss off any other countries, let the US Steel industry crumble, then put all the steel workers on extended unemployment, increasing the burden on us all.

I have a few more issues I'd talk about now, but im gonna go drink some beers.

Bush IS stupid. Look, he can't run 4 oil companies correctly. If he can't run companies correctly how is he going to run a whole friggin country correctly. 1 or 2 failures is fine, but 4? Anyone who sits there for more than 20 seconds after we're told that we have been attacked is an IDIOT. Hell, you could go tell an 8 year old kid we got attacked and he would go watch the news. The president should be doing something, not sitting there.

He's not infringing on our liberties to fight terrorism. He's incoveniencing us...which I dont' know if I agree with or not. I guess what it boils down to is do you think terrorists attack us because we're prosperous and they're jealous or because of our foreign policies? I personally think it's our foreign policies. Until we change how we deal with the rest of the world we're going to keep being attacked. You eliminate terrorists by not pissing them off. They don't attack Canada do they? Liberties should be held above security. Convenience should not to a certain extent.

I could care less about standing up for American workers. It doesn't amtter how much you stand up for them. We need to and should adapt. If we can't we're screwed and if the steel industry has to die because of it so be it.

I too am going to go drink more beers :)
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
rednecks should not be allowed to vote.......

if we could restrict voting to the North East / Mid-Atlantic and the West Coast, that'd be pretty sweet :p
 

Red Dawn

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He's a Mass Liberal
He didn't have the balls to stand up to Bush when the Dub led us astray in his ill conceived excellent adventure in Iraq
He's a Buddy of Cocktail Teddy Kennedy.

Of course I have many more reasons why I won't be voting for Dub.