Why are you guaranteed a job in health care?

[spikespiegal]

I swear I'm back in the I.T. pre-bubble days in the 90's, except it's with health care. Basically, if you have two semi-functioning brain hemispheres and can read a beer label it seems you are practically guaranteed a job with any type of health certificate or degree.

Am I the only one with an annoying and infinate array of relatives or friends that are going to school for [insert random medical field] and have it pretty much set they'll get a job right out of school? Damn...must be nice. The thing is, a large percentage of people I know training for a health care position are doing it because most other competitive technical industries wouldn't hire them.

I worked for a very large regional health provider about a years and half ago, and it was stunning how many questionable RN certificates I gave admin access to. Some of these flakes made Dr. Quinn look like House MD.

So, politics aside (that's for a different forum please) we are all screaming about rising health care costs. But on the other hand health care institutions are screaming they don't have enough people, and while the hiring surge has slowed it's still seems ridiculous. Something I'm missing here?

 

[Zebo]

Lots of boomers getting ready to hit the hositals - in 2030 HC will crash, prepare

 

[Pliablemoose]

You haven't seen anything yet...

Wait till they start cutting costs to provide the services we've become accustomed to.

I could go on a lengthy rant about piss poor medical care, but hold onto your ass, it's gonna get a hell of a lot worse.

I was ranting to a friend a few months ago, his comment was, "Well, you can rant or be a god to your patients, and save them from your co-workers when you can."

I've gotten 2 positive right ups from malpractice lawyers in the last few months, and an associate director of my hospital.

I have 10 years left to work, and I gotta tell you, I work with some scary damn nurses and doctors.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Keeping people sick is BIG business, and it's only getting bigger!

 

[FoBoT]

Baby Boomers

look at the demographics, huge chunk of the USA population is getting old
and they WANT lots of high tech health care to live longer, they are willing to spend their grandkids money to live longer

 

[Pliablemoose]

Keeping people sick is BIG business, and it's only getting bigger!

That's BS, every hospital/insurance company I know of is encouraging prevention & wellness.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Health care jobs seem to be growing. For every account I delete, I create about 30 new ones. Seriously, no joke! Once you're in health care, you're probably staying there unless you choose to leave said job. Even if your skills are not health care related, there are quite a lot of administrative positions involved in running a health care institution.

 

[Zebo]

You haven't seen anything yet...

I have 10 years left to work, and I gotta tell you, I work with some scary damn nurses and doctors.

What does that mean?

My attitude is don't get sick, trauma only. I've never trusted those assholes and haven't been back in 20 years after breaking half the bones in my body.

 

[Wheezer]

it's scary as fuck watching people going to school to get into the field. Half the people I have seen go to school for nursing don't deserve to breath let alone dispense medicine. Make you want to do everything to can to stay healthy.

 

[Farang]

From what I can tell, the pay matches the job description. If IT and healthcare were paid equally for the same certificates and degrees, a lot less people would sign up to drain lung fluids out of dying cancer patients or take shit samples than would to monitor a network or do corporate help desk work.

 

[Parasitic]

Hopefully this doesn't offend any physicians, but here goes:

Our healthcare industry awards doctors with too many benefits, Yes, it's true that you have to go through torture to make it as a board-certified practicing physician and your net worth does not turn positive until you're 40, but those alluring benefits and job security being one of them attracts way too many applicants to the field.

It's surprising and sad to see that top students in great science and engineering programs have to try so hard to get into med school when they could've easily gotten into the best graduate schools in the world, done a PhD and achieved greatness all before they finish med school and residency.

On top of that, everyone wants to be a doctor, leaving no one to fill the positions of nurses and medical assistants. Adding to the list of foreign applicants who enter the admission game, only to leave the US afterwards and preventing a great number of domestic applicants who will actually be staying in the country. Out of the doctors we have, very few want to practice internal medicine or have general practices. So to fill those voids, the healthcare industry has to hire more people, who are often much less qualified than desired (since the half-qualified people all apply to med schools and not want to do anything else) by attracting them with higher pay and job security normally not granted to them.

 

[Zebo]

Hopefully this doesn't offend any physicians, but here goes:

Our healthcare industry awards doctors with too many benefits, Yes, it's true that you have to go through torture to make it as a board-certified practicing physician and your net worth does not turn positive until you're 40, but those alluring benefits and job security being one of them attracts way too many applicants to the field.

It's surprising and sad to see that top students in great science and engineering programs have to try so hard to get into med school when they could've easily gotten into the best graduate schools in the world, done a PhD and achieved greatness all before they finish med school and residency.

On top of that, everyone wants to be a doctor, leaving no one to fill the positions of nurses and medical assistants. Adding to the list of foreign applicants who enter the admission game, only to leave the US afterwards and preventing a great number of domestic applicants who will actually be staying in the country. Out of the doctors we have, very few want to practice internal medicine or have general practices. So to fill those voids, the healthcare industry has to hire more people, who are often much less qualified than desired (since the half-qualified people all apply to med schools and not want to do anything else) by attracting them with higher pay and job security normally not granted to them.

Who wants to be a doctor? Nasty. I have a BS in biochem and MS in materials and never even thought about that nasty job and dealing with public. I guess i could have streamlined into medicine but what for? They work to hard e.g. too many hours. They owe to much e.g. med schools cost 50K per annum. They deal with blood and guts and cysts and all sorts of nasty not healthy fine super models. They only get paid well if specialty e.g. anesthesia, orthopedics, etc... In sum they are worth every penny they are paid.

 

[Jeff7]

Lots of boomers getting ready to hit the hositals - in 2030 HC will crash, prepare

And a surge in the job market for morticians and gravediggers - and estate lawyers.

 

[GasX]

By the year 2040, people aged 65 or older will make up ~25% of our population and account for 50% of our healthcare expenditures. Of these individuals, half will require surgery before they die.

If you do the math, anyone working in an OR is guaranteed a job for the next 30 years.

 

[jagec]

Adding to the list of foreign applicants who enter the admission game, only to leave the US afterwards

You don't know much about these "foreign applicants", do you?

As for the baby boomers, frankly, we need fewer doctors and more philosophers, priests, and dieticians for them...

 

[zerocool84]

I'm actually going to start going to school for a job in healthcare. Nothing fancy just X-ray tech but it's guaranteed stable. I need something stable after this housing mess we've been in and losing my job and nothing else in sight.

 

[Gothgar]

By the year 2040, people aged 65 or older will make up ~25% of our population and account for 50% of our healthcare expenditures. Of these individuals, half will require surgery before they die.

If you do the math, anyone working in an OR is guaranteed a job for the next 30 years.

crazy numbers

hope they dont suffer from the old 95% of all stats are made up on the spot

 

[Mo0o]

Because people aren't lining out the door to clean up shit for 40g's a year

 

[TheVrolok]

Love these threads.

 

[Adrenaline]

My sister in law is a nurse. When she got her degree 2 years ago, her whole class had jobs already lined up paying about $25 an hour.

 

[Sureshot324]

It's not just the baby boomer thing. There's pretty much always been a shortage of doctors and nurses. It's simple supply demand. It's a hard job that a lot of people wouldn't want to do, yet we need a lot of them.

 

[0roo0roo]

My sister in law is a nurse. When she got her degree 2 years ago, her whole class had jobs already lined up paying about $25 an hour.

on the other hand i've read that the wash out rate of nurses on the job is quite high. under staffing and all that. nursing schools are already screwed up, not enough instructors.

 

[0roo0roo]

You haven't seen anything yet...

Wait till they start cutting costs to provide the services we've become accustomed to.

I could go on a lengthy rant about piss poor medical care, but hold onto your ass, it's gonna get a hell of a lot worse.

I was ranting to a friend a few months ago, his comment was, "Well, you can rant or be a god to your patients, and save them from your co-workers when you can."

I've gotten 2 positive right ups from malpractice lawyers in the last few months, and an associate director of my hospital.

I have 10 years left to work, and I gotta tell you, I work with some scary damn nurses and doctors.

like what?

the hidden costs of poor health/chronic untreated poor health drags on our economy.

anyways our current system is so rockin that we are 38th in the world in terms of longevity.

 

[Adrenaline]

on the other hand i've read that the wash out rate of nurses on the job is quite high. under staffing and all that. nursing schools are already screwed up, not enough instructors.

The nurses in her class had all worked at some hospitals here (Memphis) which see some bad crap. I think they should be able to handle it (hope so anyways). All the bad crap that goes on here, they should be able to handle it for the money.

 

[darkxshade]

1990-2000 Tech Bubble
2000-2010 Real Estate & Financial Bubble
2010-2020 Health Care Bubble?

There's always a bubble, but now I guess is the best time to invest in health care then and unload them near the end of the coming decade?