Why are we still giving money to Israel?

[Tripleshot]

Why are we still giving money to Israel?


Because we like Kosher dill pickles and Bagels.

 

[jpbushido99]

I don't want to really get into this conversation, but I feel that I must interject, since most people in this forum are gearing their opinions towards blacks, and I happen to be a person of color, I feel that I should give a little input. Anyway first I would like to say that inner cities are a mixing bowl of different cultures and ethnicities, black people are not the only ones that live there. Please don?t let the networks ridiculous perception of blacks destroy the true reality. Second, people are affected by their environments, for example, if your parents are irresponsible and bad role models, then more than likely you?re going to echo their dispositions. Unfortunately most successful people growing up in extreme poverty and/or are in mentally and physically abusive situations are the exceptions and not the rule. Most people stuck in these situations tend to emulate what they have seen and continue the problems that have held their parents back. Third people sometimes assume roles that society gives them. Lets face it, society has roles for different people, if your a business man you fit into a certain type of role, if your a techy you fit into a certain type of role, if society says that you are black you fit into that role as well, with applicable variations of course. And believe me there are checks and balances for these roles, for example, I am a college student and when I get asked a question, and my response is in coherent sentences with some type of objective detail, I am told that I am such an eloquent speaker, and so on. I have never heard the same told to a white person who demonstrated the same ability to speak in coherent sentences. Now why do you think that someone would tell me that -- maybe because I don't fit into their role for what a black person is? Also I have several white friends, when they introduce me to their friends they say? hey this is so and so my black friend. Why is there a need to introduce my ethnicity with my name?

Many people assume that only blacks live in the inner city, or that all blacks come from the same place. It is amazing the type of crap I hear from people about why blacks are the way we are and so on, have these people ever stopped to think that they are helping to perpetuate the problem, they are not helping to stop it. There is no easy fix to this problem, it?s a societal crisis not just a cultural one. If anyone recalls one our most important and powerful representatives recently stepped down from power because he has some racist skeletons in his closet (Former Republican Leader in the Senate, Senator Trent Lott). When even our representatives are oppressive and cannot adequately symbolize freedom and liberty for all, then how effective can we truly be in changing America for the better.

That?s my message, I know people are going to be pissed at what I have to say and pick out things such as spelling or other silly facts, or call me naïve. But there is a problem, and it may take every American to help fix it.

 

[frankqfrank]

Originally posted by: jpbushido99
I don't want to really get into this conversation, but I feel that I must interject, since most people in this forum are gearing their opinions towards blacks, and I happen to be a person of color, I feel that I should give a little input.

I just wanted to point out no one mentioned black people anywhere in this thread.

 

[Marshallj]

I saw no mention of race either. I only heard people say "the inner city".

We are not the ones who implied that only blacks live in the inner city, but jpbushido99 did in fact imply that we implied that.

His response tells more about what was going on in his mind than what we were thinking.

 

[tcsenter]

When such a peace is made, Israel is required to withdraw its armed forces "from territories" it occupied during the Six-Day War--not from "the" territories nor from "all" the territories, but from some of the territories, which included the Sinai Desert, the West Bank, the Golan Heights, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip.

We won't mention that Israel did in fact unconditionally give back most if not all of those territories it seized in the Six-Day War. And how did the Arabs respond to this enormous gesture of good faith? Another intifada.

 

[tcsenter]

the money is pocket change in comparison to the whole budget, but you don't want the federal government being in charge of solving inner city problems. they wont be able to, you want inner cities to be in charge of inner city problems.

That is precisely the problem. Take most any major inner city with substantial blight and poverty problems and guess who's been running them since at least the 1970's. Yup, and they're even worse-off for it.

This is one pristine example of where democracy can run amuck, an inordinately uneducated and 'slighted' constituency, deeply mired in their own misery and ignorance, falls prey to race hustling politicians, overwhelmingly electing one incompetent administration after another after another, from city councilmen to the mayor.

Marion Barry has to top anyone's list of the most inept public official and city manager in history. His administration is equally inept and has brought Washington DC nothing but harm. Further, he is a convicted drug user.

Yet, despite being the laughing stock of the country, his constituency loves him, and would elect him over and over as long as he ran for election, because he goes into their churches, gets up in front of the congregation, and preaches like an evangelist minister, lamenting their suffering; 'I feel yo pain bruthus and sistus, with Good God Almighty as mah witness, I feel your pain!' They then kiss his rings on the way out, figuratively, of course, but not all that figuratively, and he [successfully] covers the incompetence of his own administration by playing upon their racial grievances and misery.

This same model plays out with only slight variations on the same basic theme, but no variation in the results, across the US in three dozen or more major cities; Detroit, Flint, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Gary, et. al.

In Detroit, the result has been the most scandal ridden and incompetently managed school district in the nation, bar none, with several hundred million dollars worth of improvements and construction projects years behind schedule with no end in sight and as much as $80 million which just went 'missing'.

So badly managed was the Detroit school system, the State of Michigan placed it under State Receivership, a very uncommon and extreme move, much to the vehement opposition of Detroit's mayor, city council members, school administrators, and unions, of course, who employed every 'excuse' in their arsenal to 'explain away' their incompetence, even resorting to such desperate and despicable lengths as to make this into a racial issue between Michigan's [then] white Republican Governor and Detroit's Socialist black leaders.

This extreme measure gives the State of Michigan complete oversight of the school district, under the direction of an appointee who reports to the Governor and has veto power over all local interests and authorities, even elected officials; effectively stripping away this intransigent, politically entrenched, incompetent, and wasteful layer of bureaucracy, removing them from the equation.

Its the best thing that could have ever happened to Detroit's school system. The only downside is that, at some point, the State will have no other choice but to relinquish control of the school district back into the hands of the same political interests which have proven from sea to shining sea to be nothing but an economic trainwreck.

This followed a measure passed by the Michigan legislature which banned school administrators from joining unions. The entire Detroit school system, from the janitor, to the principal, to the highest school administrators, were all unionized, if you can imagine such a thing. The fox guarding the hen house.

In Flint, the result has been similar, with the state threatening every year to place the entire city into State Receivership due to years of growing debt and hand-wringing on the part of Flint's intransigent leftwing political leaders who refuse to tackle tough problems because tough problems require tough solutions, and in this case, tough solutions means telling the unions to take a flying leap, and most of these politicians owe their existence to the unions.

Name your city, Philadelphia, Gary, whatever; same story, different players.

The best thing that could happen to many of these cities would be for their State government or Federal government to take them over giving no deference to any of those local political interests which have only managed to turn surmountable problems into seemingly insurmountable ones.

tommy thomson as gov of michigan cut their welfare rolls in half, he used the state's welfare allotment to focus on job training with great results. the problem can't be solved just with money, it is a cultural and structural problem.

That was John Engler.

 

[jpbushido99]

Originally posted by: tec699
Im just giving an example....

It might sound extreme but this is what happens when inner city youth are denied a chance to succeed. For me.. what I fear is that we are taking away the chance for inner city youth to succeed. The money that's going to Israel could be used for America's infrastructure such as our inner cities... Which in-turn will save the inner city youth from being destructive! And that can only happen with a college degree. Most will not become rappers or pro ball players. The best chance is for them to succeed is to acquire an college education, but if we start to deny college loans then that dream will cease to exist!

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I just wanted to point out no one mentioned black people anywhere in this thread.
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Quote Marshallj

I saw no mention of race either. I only heard people say "the inner city".

For those of you who say that we are not talking about black people, read the quote above. Now I am sure that all you of you know that the majority of rappers and pro ball players are black. Another problem I guess is that racism is no longer in your face, its coded, and behind the closed doors. This IS more destructive, because those who smile in your face, may secretly being trying to destroy your future.

 

[drewshin]

i dont get it, if everyone in that region is against israel existing there, then why fight it? relocate the israelis to a different part of the world. what would happen if israel was gone? no more suicide bombings, a lot less tension in that part of the world.

once israel is out of the picture, citizens of these arab states will start to focus on real issues such as freedom and democracy in their own countries. the leaders of these other arab states just use israel as a distraction from the real issues.

 

[tcsenter]

For those of you who say that we are not talking about black people, read the quote above. Now I am sure that all you of you know that the majority of rappers and pro ball players are black. Another problem I guess is that racism is no longer in your face, its coded, and behind the closed doors. This IS more destructive, because those who smile in your face, may secretly being trying to destroy your future.

I suspect the original poster was referring to blacks. Though there are certainly poor whites, asians, and hispanics who live in the inner cities, the inner cities are predominantly black, for the most part. Not all of them, Los Angeles probably isn't, New York City probably isn't (then you have Queens, Harlem, the Bronx to consider), Chicago probably isn't. Lots of other ethnicities in the ghettos and barios of those cities and several others. But Detroit, Flint, Gary, Atlanta, Philly, DC, and a dozen other major cities with vast tracts of urban blight, mostly black.

It doesn't matter, really, I don't accept that the choice is between 'college scholarship or armed robbery' whether you're white, latino, hispanic, asian, or purple-pokeedotted. There are a certain number of litmus tests in life. Resorting to criminal activities because a 'quick and dirty' way of making money is more preferrable to you than working hard, that is one of those de facto litmus test failures which strongly suggest you would never make it through the first week of college to begin with.