Why are we letting Iran develop in to a major threat?

[Bumrush99]

Guys, something very bad is going to happen in the next 5 years if we don't take preemptive action against this fanatical regime run by a leader that has delusional visions of apocalypse and the end of the world.

Iran is intentionally stroking the seeds of anger and provocation by hosting yet another Holocaust seminar intended to inflame, incite and mock the civilized world. These calculated moves have been designed to create havoc and when combined with their nuclear aspirations, make this a threat that could lead to an all out nuclear war in the middle east. This would fulfill the delusions of their leadership and will lead them closer to their fanatical Muslim paradise.

The only response is a preemptive one. We can't just bomb their nuclear facilities and expect the problem to go away; that action would just feed in to the typical Muslim tactic of victimization and scapegoating of the Western world. In fact we must go in, destroy their nuclear program and military, AND TAKE OUT AND KILL THEIR LEADERSHIP. Hopefully this can be limited to a nonstop bombardment of Tehran and their weapons facilities, but if a push needs to be made in to Iran, make it fast and get the hell out once the mission is accomplished.

 

[sadguy]

dubbya, is that you????

WMD WMD WMD?

 

[Jhhnn]

Seek professional help. Living with paranoid delusions isn't pleasant or healthy, either for the afflicted or anybody close to them.

 

[Witling]

The last time we engineered a regime change in Iran it didn't work out so well. We're still living with that. Political statements are made for internal and external consumption. The "burn it to the ground" was for internal, Iranian consumption. They're not going to attack anyone. The will, however, continue to do everything in their power to keep poking a stick in the U.S. eye. And, IMO, it's a well deserved poke.

I've also got to admire the accusation that Iran is intentionally stroking the seeds of anger and provocation. After the last six years, these guys are amatuers at stroking the seeds. Incidentally, "stoking the seeds," which is probably what you meant instead of "stroking the seeds," is an incredible mixed metaphor. These usually aren't considered stylish. Fires are stoked, pets are stroked. Seeds are planted.

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Seek professional help. Living with paranoid delusions isn't pleasant or healthy, either for the afflicted or anybody close to them.

Right.. Paranoid delusions?
How about taking a history lesson. This pattern has played out many times before.
Now we have an egocentric leader with religious leanings that border on the absurd, with nuclear aspirations who has previously stated that a major ally should be wiped off the map and destroyed, which would lead to a broader nuclear war throughout the region. Can you imagine what would happen to our energy supply if that happens?

Of course the only paranoid delusions apologist such as yourself have involve the US and their allies - while making excuses for authoritarian and repressive regimes that have no business existing in the modern world.

 

[imported_dna]

It's funny how some people think that Iran won't do something stupid in the upcoming years. I guess we have the MSM to blame for not providing raw video from what they say back home, instead of all the sweet-talk that Ahmadinejad lay on the UN a little while ago.

Robert Spencer pretty much nails in a video blog, particularly when he says that at least Tokyo Rose played some tunes while she was sweet-talking.

Soon enough, if not already, Iran's missiles will have the entire Middle East covered. All they'll have to do is launch a single missile with a cluster warhead at a Saudi oil facility, in order to upset the world's economy. The man is definitely talking the talk, so why shouldn't we believe that he'll walk the walk?

Brace yourselves for "peace in our time".

EDIT: Oh, oh.... Jhhnn is around; prepare for some zionist conspiracies to be mentioned.

 

[Witling]

dna, care to set a time limit on your doom and gloom message? Or is it like the second coming of Christ? Is your terrible stuff going to happen before the next presidential election? While you've got a statement with about as much predictive value as "pie in the sky when we die," I'll flat out state that if we do not militarily attack Iran, Iran will not attack eiither us or Israel. Because I'm not going to be around as long as the second coming is going to take, why don't we set a time limit the next presidential election? The one after that? I'm still right and you're still wrong.

And I've got to admire Bumrush. You've got Kissinger flat out saying that military victory in Iraq is not possible. You've got everybody else saying it may not be possible. Well, everybody except Bush. You've got the Iraq Study Report which is just a nice way of telling Bush that he's goosed the moose. And what does the Bumster want to try? A military attack on Iran, a much more powerful country than Iraq.

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: Witling
dna, care to set a time limit on your doom and gloom message? Or is it like the second coming of Christ? Is your terrible stuff going to happen before the next presidential election? While you've got a statement with about as much predictive value as "pie in the sky when we die," I'll flat out state that if we do not militarily attack Iran, Iran will not attack eiither us or Israel. Because I'm not going to be around as long as the second coming is going to take, why don't we set a time limit the next presidential election? The one after that? I'm still right and you're still wrong.

And I've got to admire Bumrush. You've got Kissinger flat out saying that military victory in Iraq is not possible. You've got everybody else saying it may not be possible. Well, everybody except Bush. You've got the Iraq Study Report which is just a nice way of telling Bush that he's goosed the moose. And what does the Bumster want to try? A military attack on Iran, a much more powerful country than Iraq.

Right, because in my post I stated that a long drawn out occupation should be the solution. Try reading it again, I stated that an air war to destroy their military infastructure /weapons program and leadership should be the way to go. Try again

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Seek professional help. Living with paranoid delusions isn't pleasant or healthy, either for the afflicted or anybody close to them.

Right.. Paranoid delusions?
How about taking a history lesson. This pattern has played out many times before.
Now we have an egocentric leader with religious leanings that border on the absurd, with nuclear aspirations who has previously stated that a major ally should be wiped off the map and destroyed, which would lead to a broader nuclear war throughout the region. Can you imagine what would happen to our energy supply if that happens?

Of course the only paranoid delusions apologist such as yourself have involve the US and their allies - while making excuses for authoritarian and repressive regimes that have no business existing in the modern world.

Ironic

[bumrush] Iran, do as I say or be bombed into the stoneage!!! [/but in an Non-Authoritarian Unrepressive way?]

 

[imported_dna]

Funny you should place me in the Jesus camp -- gave me quite a good laugh.

I see that you answered your own question, and have asserted that your logic is infallible, so I suppose that's the end of that.

 

[yllus]

Iran
Area: 1.648 million sq km
Population: 68,688,433 (July 2006 est.)

Iraq
Area: 437,072 sq km
Population: 26,783,383 (July 2006 est.)

Pragmatism > wishful thinking. Iraq with 1/3rd of the population and considerably less nationalism was a handful enough, no?

 

[Witling]

dna, I didn't place you in the Jesus camp, it's just that the prediction of the second coming is the most delayed event that I could think of then. Perhaps I should have chosen the the coming of the Jewish messiah, predicted long before Christ. Most Jews think that still hasn't happened.

By the way, it's not logic. It's knowledge. Even before this war I have a string of entries in this forum saying that it wasn't going to work and that the Iraqis would be killing us as long as we care to stay. There's a whole lot of sociological and historical knowledge behind the predictions, not logic.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Guys, something very bad is going to happen in the next 5 years if we don't take preemptive action against this fanatical regime run by a leader that has delusional visions of apocalypse and the end of the world.

Iran is intentionally stroking the seeds of anger and provocation by hosting yet another Holocaust seminar intended to inflame, incite and mock the civilized world. These calculated moves have been designed to create havoc and when combined with their nuclear aspirations, make this a threat that could lead to an all out nuclear war in the middle east. This would fulfill the delusions of their leadership and will lead them closer to their fanatical Muslim paradise.

The only response is a preemptive one. We can't just bomb their nuclear facilities and expect the problem to go away; that action would just feed in to the typical Muslim tactic of victimization and scapegoating of the Western world. In fact we must go in, destroy their nuclear program and military, AND TAKE OUT AND KILL THEIR LEADERSHIP. Hopefully this can be limited to a nonstop bombardment of Tehran and their weapons facilities, but if a push needs to be made in to Iran, make it fast and get the hell out once the mission is accomplished.

North Korea was treated with appeasement in the 1990s, you have to expect the Dems will demand this with Iran and want the same results again. The last thing they want is for us to destroy our enemy before we?re nuked.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Guys, something very bad is going to happen in the next 5 years if we don't take preemptive action against this fanatical regime run by a leader that has delusional visions of apocalypse and the end of the world.

Iran is intentionally stroking the seeds of anger and provocation by hosting yet another Holocaust seminar intended to inflame, incite and mock the civilized world. These calculated moves have been designed to create havoc and when combined with their nuclear aspirations, make this a threat that could lead to an all out nuclear war in the middle east. This would fulfill the delusions of their leadership and will lead them closer to their fanatical Muslim paradise.

The only response is a preemptive one. We can't just bomb their nuclear facilities and expect the problem to go away; that action would just feed in to the typical Muslim tactic of victimization and scapegoating of the Western world. In fact we must go in, destroy their nuclear program and military, AND TAKE OUT AND KILL THEIR LEADERSHIP. Hopefully this can be limited to a nonstop bombardment of Tehran and their weapons facilities, but if a push needs to be made in to Iran, make it fast and get the hell out once the mission is accomplished.

North Korea was treated with appeasement in the 1990s, you have to expect the Dems will demand this with Iran and want the same results again. The last thing they want is for us to destroy our enemy before we?re nuked.

Gen MacArthur would disagree.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Seek professional help. Living with paranoid delusions isn't pleasant or healthy, either for the afflicted or anybody close to them.

I'd suggest the same, get out a little and face reality instead of blindly believing the world is a jolly place.

 

[Red Dawn]

Without us as the Boogeyman the Religious leaders of Iran would have no foil and no power. They need us just to stay in power and I doubt that they are going to risk that plus total annihlation.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Guys, something very bad is going to happen in the next 5 years if we don't take preemptive action against this fanatical regime run by a leader that has delusional visions of apocalypse and the end of the world.

Iran is intentionally stroking the seeds of anger and provocation by hosting yet another Holocaust seminar intended to inflame, incite and mock the civilized world. These calculated moves have been designed to create havoc and when combined with their nuclear aspirations, make this a threat that could lead to an all out nuclear war in the middle east. This would fulfill the delusions of their leadership and will lead them closer to their fanatical Muslim paradise.

The only response is a preemptive one. We can't just bomb their nuclear facilities and expect the problem to go away; that action would just feed in to the typical Muslim tactic of victimization and scapegoating of the Western world. In fact we must go in, destroy their nuclear program and military, AND TAKE OUT AND KILL THEIR LEADERSHIP. Hopefully this can be limited to a nonstop bombardment of Tehran and their weapons facilities, but if a push needs to be made in to Iran, make it fast and get the hell out once the mission is accomplished.

If we do not learn from our mistakes we are destined to repeat them. Sadly, there are people like you in this country still willing to throw money and lives at "problems".

 

[dahunan]

Maybe Iran is gettting stronger because Dubya showed them how successful we are in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Dubya and his buddies really ****** this counry over BIG TIME ... www.costofwar.com << hmmm

www.costofwar.com

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Seek professional help. Living with paranoid delusions isn't pleasant or healthy, either for the afflicted or anybody close to them.

I'd suggest the same, get out a little and face reality instead of blindly believing the world is a jolly place.

No one says it's a jolly place. What we're saying is that the world is complicated and there's no black and white, but massive amounts of grey. For example, what we did to the Iranians in the 1950s has come to bite us in the ass ten-fold. Of course, the old men that brought down a democratically-elected Iranian government, installed a king in its place, are long dead or soon will be dead. We've inherited their mess. Now we have the opposite extreme of what we wanted in Iran, an autocratic and hostile theocracy instead of a pliant monarchy. In one night, Iran went from being our most trusted allied autocracy in the Middle East and a friend of Israel to a hated autocracy hostile to most of what we stand for.

Who do we have to blame for that? US? Who are we blaming, instead? The Iranians. It goes to show how irresponsible and self-centered Americans have become.

 

[Trente]

I agree with Bumrush99. The leaderships of America and Israel are in bad political shape, both too weak to take a combined and decisive action while the window of opportunities is closing with each day passing by. The behaviour of Iran - stalling time by dragging a pointless negotiation session with Chamberlain-led-by countries - resembles the behaviour of Nazi Germany on the eve of WWII in oh-so many ways. What is happening now in Lebanon alone reminds me of Austria on the eve of the Anschluss... The near future for the Middle-East is even darker than you may think, I'm afraid.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeh, if we bomb the hell out of 'em, they'll capitulate, get all lovey-dovey after burying their family members... rebuilding their cities...

Obviously, no occupation would be required to prevent the rise of a more radical regime in place of the old... maybe just kill 'em all, it's the only way to be sure...

And, of course, Israel is represented as some kind of "ally", rather than a parasite, latched onto the American psyche with the most amazing guilt trip ever conceived...

And this-

"Now we have an egocentric leader with religious leanings that border on the absurd, with nuclear aspirations ..."

For a second there, I thought you were talking about Bush, or Olmert....

And dna enters the fray, zionist that he is... laying out the most improbable and absurd scenarios...

Do you actually beieve this stuff, or are you just hoping that others will?

 

[imported_dna]

Come on, Jhhnn, you can do better than that -- you forgot about the world domination, media control, and all the other clandestine opertaions.

As Trente said, history does seem to repeat itself, but I'm sure you'll manage to spin what's going on in Lebanon as a democratic revolution, since we all know that the Hezbollah is all about democracy and human rights.

Originally posted by: Witling
Perhaps I should have chosen the the coming of the Jewish messiah....

Please, stop, you're killing me with all this... 😛
What's next? You're gonna place me in the Islamic camp, waiting for the prophet and his 3-years old wife?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: dna
Come on, Jhhnn, you can do better than that -- you forgot about the world domination, media control, and all the other clandestine opertaions.

As Trente said, history does seem to repeat itself, but I'm sure you'll manage to spin what's going on in Lebanon as a democratic revolution, since we all know that the Hezbollah is all about democracy and human rights.

Originally posted by: Witling
Perhaps I should have chosen the the coming of the Jewish messiah....

Please, stop, you're killing me with all this... 😛
What's next? You're gonna place me in the Islamic camp, waiting for the prophet and his 3-years old wife?

You come in these threads and support the fanatics that spew on about attacking this or that country. Are you in agreement with them that we should attack Iran?

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: dna
Come on, Jhhnn, you can do better than that -- you forgot about the world domination, media control, and all the other clandestine opertaions.

As Trente said, history does seem to repeat itself, but I'm sure you'll manage to spin what's going on in Lebanon as a democratic revolution, since we all know that the Hezbollah is all about democracy and human rights.

Originally posted by: Witling
Perhaps I should have chosen the the coming of the Jewish messiah....

Please, stop, you're killing me with all this... 😛
What's next? You're gonna place me in the Islamic camp, waiting for the prophet and his 3-years old wife?

To bad Israel undermined that goverment with it's last offensive. Why not go ahead and launch another to further push the Lebanese in the the hands of Hezbollah and finally tip that government over.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Guys, something very bad is going to happen in the next 5 years if we don't take preemptive action against this fanatical regime run by a leader that has delusional visions of apocalypse and the end of the world.

Iran is intentionally stroking the seeds of anger and provocation by hosting yet another Holocaust seminar intended to inflame, incite and mock the civilized world. These calculated moves have been designed to create havoc and when combined with their nuclear aspirations, make this a threat that could lead to an all out nuclear war in the middle east. This would fulfill the delusions of their leadership and will lead them closer to their fanatical Muslim paradise.

The only response is a preemptive one. We can't just bomb their nuclear facilities and expect the problem to go away; that action would just feed in to the typical Muslim tactic of victimization and scapegoating of the Western world. In fact we must go in, destroy their nuclear program and military, AND TAKE OUT AND KILL THEIR LEADERSHIP. Hopefully this can be limited to a nonstop bombardment of Tehran and their weapons facilities, but if a push needs to be made in to Iran, make it fast and get the hell out once the mission is accomplished.

North Korea was treated with appeasement in the 1990s, you have to expect the Dems will demand this with Iran and want the same results again. The last thing they want is for us to destroy our enemy before we?re nuked.

Okay and what did Bush and the Republican congress do again ? Oh wait they made threats and called them the part of the "axis of evil" which solved and accomplished what nothing.

Then again as someone once said "Evil is one letter away from Devil". Yeah that sure is going to get people to try to reach out to you when you call them the "Axis of Evil". In the end it seems to me that the South Koreans know better how to negotiate with their Northern counterparts then we do since they both have to deal with each other in the end.