Why are we even involved in Libia?

[Atheus]

Our resident Englishmen? Do we have any that aren't raging tool bags? Neckbeard is just an off the charts uber troll, and JoS is some kid in his mom's basement making up lies about being in the god damn Special Air Service (like claiming to be a Navy SEAL.)

There's plenty of us here, its just we'd rather chill with a cup of tea than make a fuss, so you wouldn't usually notice us

Large fraction

Very large fraction...

A large-ish fraction. As much the other major nations. Here's a breakdown:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12806112

The biggest three are pretty equal and backed (in theory) by the Arab League. That's a good thing for international relations. Hey it might even encourage our govt to increase defence budget but I digress...

My point is this isn't like Iraq where you guys put hundreds of thousands of boots down compared to Britain's tens of thousands and other countries' few hundred.

While we shouldn't have traded British nuclear secrets

No you bloody shouldn't have.

And we kind of had their back in WW2 and WW1. Your point? We don't owe the English anything. No offense to our resident Englishmen, but we don't exactly have a great history together.

Not a great history? Oh come on the War of Independence was centuries ago and WWII is within living memory. Half the soldiers at D-Day were Brits and half were American (sorry other nations you're not stat relevant however brave you were) and if it wasn't for both of us we'd all be speaking German and thats a fact. That was our finest hour . I think it's fair to say if the shit hits the fan we'll be fighting back to back in the end.

Almost right, you forgot the 6th grade phonetic spelling.
The Brits have had a number of shady dealing with Ghaddifi, including getting paid off to release that fucking murderer Abdelbaset al-Megrahi, it's in their interest to see him dead and buried so more of this type of stuff doesn't get out.

Agreed - Blair and others did many a dodgy arms deal with Ghaddifi among many other evil arseholes - but so did everyone else including you. Lets hope that changes now. At least then we won't have to dodge our own second hand missiles...

 

[bfdd]

Atheus, yes we beat back the Germans and we improved our relationship, but that was out of necessity. I don't think we, the USA, owe you, the UK, a fucking thing. That applies vice versa as well. I believe your country only gives a fuck about ours when your leaders see an opportunity to exploit us.

Not that I have any issue with the UK people in general or even have hate in my heart towards any of you, I just don't trust you.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

You mean the Vietnam which started over a false flag attack and resulted in tens of thousands casualties for american soldiers and vietnamese civilians? How does that fact fit into your idiotic world peace theory?

World peace? Where did I say anything about that. You're swinging wildly hoping to land something, anything, but missing by a mile in the process.

 

[Steeplerot]

I believe your country only gives a fuck about ours when your leaders see an opportunity to exploit us.

Not that I have any issue with the UK people in general or even have hate in my heart towards any of you, I just don't trust you.

What a paranoid douche. Brits aren't so bad, this country would probably be better off like Canada or New Zealand when I see dumb shit like this or some paranoid guy with no idea of history making judgments wearing a redcoat at a teabagger event. wtf you guys are dense.

 

[Matt1970]

What a paranoid douche. Brits aren't so bad, this country would probably be better off like Canada or New Zealand when I see dumb shit like this or some paranoid guy with no idea of history making judgments wearing a redcoat at a teabagger event. wtf you guys are dense.

Move to Canada. We would be better off too.

 

[bfdd]

What a paranoid douche. Brits aren't so bad, this country would probably be better off like Canada or New Zealand when I see dumb shit like this or some paranoid guy with no idea of history making judgments wearing a redcoat at a teabagger event. wtf you guys are dense.

So you'd like to bow to the crown? You're more than welcome to leave. I'm not paranoid, I just don't trust the UK and I believe quite a few parts of the world feel the same way.

 

[Steeplerot]

Move to Canada.

I am not really concerned about any paranoid talk radio twit making me move anywhere. srz

 

[Steeplerot]

So you'd like to bow to the crown?

Any place known for food wrapped in newspaper is not my thing, not to mention their beer is kinda meh. Besides, crown? shit man, celebrities here get far more reverence.

 

[bfdd]

Any place known for food wrapped in newspaper is not my thing, not to mention their beer is kinda meh. Besides, crown? shit man, celebrities here get far more reverence.

celebrities don't have "god given" titles, they do something to earn it. that said, celebrities being pushed up to the status they are is absolutely fucking stupid and before you make any comment on my sig, it's in jest.

 

[Atheus]

Atheus, yes we beat back the Germans and we improved our relationship, but that was out of necessity. I don't think we, the USA, owe you, the UK, a fucking thing.

I don't owe my friends anything and I'd still back them up in a fight. Especially on moral grounds.

That applies vice versa as well. I believe your country only gives a fuck about ours when your leaders see an opportunity to exploit us.

Not that I have any issue with the UK people in general or even have hate in my heart towards any of you, I just don't trust you.

Trust us? With your own aconomic interests? Doubt it. In a fight? We'll be there.

 

[Steeplerot]

celebrities don't have "god given" titles, they do something to earn it. that said, celebrities being pushed up to the status they are is absolutely fucking stupid and before you make any comment on my sig, it's in jest.

Personally I think any "god" or "godhead" status is flawed. Who cares? It's some rich person who's family got over on someone elses rich family generations ago. All countries have religions and cultures with silly rituals they hang on to from darker ages of enlightenment. Their monarch has 0 power, same as many states governors.

 

[Steeplerot]

I don't owe my friends anything and I'd still back them up in a fight. Especially on moral grounds.



Trust us? With your own aconomic interests? Doubt it. In a fight? We'll be there.

Most Americans know this, we are the last holdouts of Democracy when it hit the fan, UK, India, Aussies, Kiwis, -the whole lot. I wonder whose side some of these folks would be on sometimes. This guy hates FDR, you know that.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So you'd like to bow to the crown?

As long as it's a bottle of Crown Royal I have no issue bowing.

 

[bfdd]

Most Americans know this, we are the last holdouts of Democracy when it hit the fan, UK, India, Aussies, Kiwis, -the whole lot. I wonder whose side some of these folks would be on sometimes. This guy hates FDR, you know that.

Ah maybe I don't hate FDR, but I certainly don't hold him in as high regard as most. I would certainly back democratic nations over the opposite as well. That doesn't mean I have to trust them

As long as it's a bottle of Crown Royal I have no issue bowing.

I hear you there.

 

[Scotteq]

As long as it's a bottle of Crown Royal I have no issue bowing.

I hear you there.

I hope you would consider accepting my kind offer to Step. Away. From. The Crown Royal in favor of your choice of Booker's, Woodford Reserve, or Gentleman Jack (Bourbon), or perhaps some Cragganmore, Highland Park, or Bruichladdich (Scotch - for our UK friends).

Life is too short

There's plenty of us here, its just we'd rather chill with a cup of tea than make a fuss, so you wouldn't usually notice us

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Not a great history? Oh come on the War of Independence was centuries ago and WWII is within living memory. Half the soldiers at D-Day were Brits and half were American (sorry other nations you're not stat relevant however brave you were) and if it wasn't for both of us we'd all be speaking German and thats a fact. That was our finest hour . I think it's fair to say if the shit hits the fan we'll be fighting back to back in the end..

Cheers - I own you a Dram for that post.

 

[zinfamous]

To call that a highly questionable statement is an eggregious example of understatement.

Fern

He was never an ally to the US--unlike Saddam (for whom, the 3rd failed reason for invasion was "to protect our freedom" or some nonsense) Saddam was, likely, our best ally against Al Qaeda.

Quhadhaffi has a well-documented history of supporting terrorist acts and wild, hallucinagen-inspired anti-western ramblings. He is the absolute worst kind of nutbag you want in charge of an unstable, dangerous part of the world. Plus, yeah--I believe he has been responsible for more American deaths than Saddam, but I'm speculating on that.

 

[Red Dawn]

Hell we owe the Colonel a cruise missle up his ass for the Pan Am incident.

 

[Munky]

World peace? Where did I say anything about that. You're swinging wildly hoping to land something, anything, but missing by a mile in the process.

Where did you say anything that you didn't pull out of your ass? I don't remember signing up for your mandatory "world police" duty by living in the US.

 

[werepossum]

Atheus, yes we beat back the Germans and we improved our relationship, but that was out of necessity. I don't think we, the USA, owe you, the UK, a fucking thing. That applies vice versa as well. I believe your country only gives a fuck about ours when your leaders see an opportunity to exploit us.

Not that I have any issue with the UK people in general or even have hate in my heart towards any of you, I just don't trust you.

WTF? Dude, the UK had NO national interests in Afghanistan or Iraq; they followed us into both because of the Churchillian philosophy of never allowing anything to get between the UK and the USA in foreign policy. We do indeed owe the UK the same loyalty they've shown us.

Also, we need to realize that had the UK folded during the early years of WW2, when it and its Commonwealth were fighting alone and the UK stood a very real chance of invasion, we in the USA could not have effectively engaged Hitler without the UK. We would have had no effective staging areas in the Atlantic or the Mediterranean, ergo no chance of a successful invasion of Europe. Had the UK simply made a separate peace, Germany could have moved all its front line combat troops into the Russian campaign, freed from threat of invasion. Under those conditions, the Soviet Union would essentially have been taken in the first campaign, including Moscow, all the grain-producing regions, and most of the Soviet oil fields. Certainly 1943 would have dawned with all of Europe under the control of Hitler or his client states.

As bad as the USSR was, Nazi Germany almost certainly would have been worse, and over the whole of Europe rather than the eastern half.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Where did you say anything that you didn't pull out of your ass? I don't remember signing up for your mandatory "world police" duty by living in the US.

Aww. Don't be angry.

Though it's a common trait of those in here who can't quite seem to grasp geopolitical reality.

 

[bfdd]

werepossum, you're just proving my point that we worked together out of necessity and not due to any loyalty to each other. we've built a much better relationship with the UK since, but like I said that doesn't mean I trust them and I surely don't believe the UK or the USA owes each other anything.

 

[Munky]

Aww. Don't be angry.

Though it's a common trait of those in here who can't quite seem to grasp geopolitical reality.

It's also a common trait of those not willing to blissfully excuse every hypocritical and tyrannical action their government makes. Not that I'd expect you to know anything about that.

 

[werepossum]

werepossum, you're just proving my point that we worked together out of necessity and not due to any loyalty to each other. we've built a much better relationship with the UK since, but like I said that doesn't mean I trust them and I surely don't believe the UK or the USA owes each other anything.

All nations need allies, all such alliances are bound by the nations' relative national interests, and all nations put their own perceived national interests first - as they should. Regardless of the fact that the UK regards it in their own best interests to support us, they did support us. In the end I'm much more about what a person or a country does than why they do it. We should return the UK's loyalty with our own because that is in OUR best interests, to be an ally other nations can trust.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

It's also a common trait of those not willing to blissfully excuse every hypocritical and tyrannical action their government makes. Not that I'd expect you to know anything about that.

Or maybe I recognize that whining like a butthurt bitch on an internet forum isn't going to make one iota of difference? Not that I'd expect you to know anything about that.

 

[Munky]

Or maybe I recognize that whining like a butthurt bitch on an internet forum isn't going to make one iota of difference? Not that I'd expect you to know anything about that.

Then you can take your bitchy whining elsewhere