Why are vehicle enthusiasts attracted to LOUD vehicles?

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
OK then, have you ever been in a Honda with the B16 in it and heard it at 8000rpm? Notice how I said INSIDE. Because if you have, then you would see how I can compare it to the sound a Ferrari makes. I'm not about to say its THE SAME, only similar. If Ferrari used Inline 4 motors in a car, it would sound very similar to the Honda motors. Even if you don't like it, you would hear some similarities.

The difference would be, the Honda motor would last a lot longer.

Trust me, I do know this. I love Ferrari's with every beat of my heart, but their motors are not meant to last.

I haven't been IN a Ferrari, so I can't compare the two. I never tried to. But as in my earlier post, yes, I have been in a B16A powered CRX. It was turned full race after the Japanese intake was found not to pass California emmissions, and the owner didn't want to spend the money on the domestic intake and sensors that were required by the biannual inspection.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: AMDZen
The EVo VIII is a frickin awesome car. Anyone who thinks other wise simply because its japanese is a total frickin moron.

Yeah, I hate cars because they're Japanese, yet I drive a 300ZX.

BTW my other car that runs right now is an 1984 S-10 Blazer with a 350 shoved in it. And you know what, it would spank your little POS Z too. Lets run them and see shall we Come to Denver, see how it runs a mile high

Yet another example of someone who has absolutely no clue about engine operation. My turbocharged engine would have a major advantage over a NA engine at higher altitudes. That's the entire reason the turbocharger was invented, to give high altitude bombers more power. While your engine will be anemic with the lower density air, my engine will be getting its air force fed to it.

Keep on talking, you're starting to look bad.

Unless my 5.7 has enough power to compensate for that. Otherwise I know what your talking about yes. The difference is, that I think your 91 Z is just a slow POS, and your hyping it to make it sound faster then it is. So why don't you go ahead now, and describe the work you've done to it, and maybe what it runs in the quarter.

Back it up, in other words.

 

[CRXican]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: CRXican
Nothing like the scream of VTEC. I haven't had a working stereo in my car for at least 2 years. My engine and exhaust are music to my ears and it's fun to scare pedestrians with the VTEC crossover.

You got a B16 in your CRX?

See you can actually comment on the sound of the B16 then. Most people have never even heard the high output Honda motors un-capped. Even the people who drive S2000's very rarely put the right intake on it.

yep, B16, I love it!

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Why don't you tell me then? How much PSI are you running on your twin turbo's? What have you done to the car other then the BOV's? And what sort of times do you run in the 1/4 mile? Have you ever dyno'ed it?

Anyone can lie and make up numbers. I want you to tell me how much power your car has, and then I will produce actual dynocharts and timeslips.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: CraigRT
I like teh sound of a nice sounding car /exhaust!

ok fine, enjoy your ford taurus, i'll take my Ferrari with NO radio just to listen to the sound teh car makes, ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!
MUSIC TO MY EARS!

a true car buff understands this.

Well, a Ferrari is music to the ears.

A fart canned Honda Civic is only annoying. A GTO with open exhaust is equally annoying...especially at 4AM.

It's a shame that it is annoying, and I do agree it's annoying at 4AM... but to take a car like a GTO to the track and listen to that V8 rumble is one of the best ways to pass time as far as I can think of.

 

[chowmein]

no way in hell can a s2000 beat the Z in a 1/4 mile or even on the track.

i hate turbos as much as the next guy, but force inductions aren't to be taken lightly. bolt-ons isn't as simple as plug and play.

no one will ever understand the sheer godly-like vehicle as the EvoVIII. all you ricer-haters would seriously get owned by this car, bottomline.

this thread is your average: "To each his own" Ideaology

its another rumble of fanboys

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Why don't you tell me then? How much PSI are you running on your twin turbo's? What have you done to the car other then the BOV's? And what sort of times do you run in the 1/4 mile? Have you ever dyno'ed it?

Anyone can lie and make up numbers. I want you to tell me how much power your car has, and then I will produce actual dynocharts and timeslips.

Which Car?? My 99' Civic Si (Daily driver not much work done to it) my 1984 S-10 Blazer or my '71 Dart that isn't running right now? Let me know, I'd be glad to.

I used to have a 1994 TA LT1 if you want to hear about that one.

I work on cars. I know cars. I'm a Honda Man, I'm also a Bowtie man, and I'm also a Mopar man. I've also worked on quite a few Toyota's, Subaru's, and Mitsubishi's. Never really worked much on Nissan's, but that doesn't mean I'm not knowledgeable.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: chowmein
no way in hell can a s2000 beat the Z in a 1/4 mile or even on the track.

i hate turbos as much as the next guy, but force inductions aren't to be taken lightly. bolt-ons isn't as simple as plug and play.

no one will ever understand the sheer godly-like vehicle as the EvoVIII. all you ricer-haters would seriously get owned by this car, bottomline.

It's true.
And a lot of the people here know it, as they watch Top Gear, and everyone knows the new Evo did the track in an astonishing time up there with the Lambo Murcielago. It's not a car to mess with that's for sure.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Unless my 5.7 has enough power to compensate for that. Otherwise I know what your talking about yes. The difference is, that I think your 91 Z is just a slow POS, and your hyping it to make it sound faster then it is. So why don't you go ahead now, and describe the work you've done to it, and maybe what it runs in the quarter.

Back it up, in other words.

Please go through this thread and point out a single unsolicited claim I made about my car's performance. I said nothing about it.

My car is mostly stock. It has intake, exhaust, BOV's and upgraded ECU. I've dyno'd it, but I never ran race gas in it and turned up the boost to produce an artificially high number. I've taken it to the track a couple times and ran it on slippery street tires. My dyno's and timeslips indicate what I drive around with every day, I don't do anything special to enhance the result.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: CRXican
Nothing like the scream of VTEC. I haven't had a working stereo in my car for at least 2 years. My engine and exhaust are music to my ears and it's fun to scare pedestrians with the VTEC crossover.

You got a B16 in your CRX?

See you can actually comment on the sound of the B16 then. Most people have never even heard the high output Honda motors un-capped. Even the people who drive S2000's very rarely put the right intake on it.

yep, B16, I love it!

Right on. My friend has a '90 CRX Si, he wants to put a B16 in it.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
The Civic I have is merely one of the cars I have. I own 3 vehicles. You think your Z is so frickin hot?? My friends S2000 would totally spank it. And thats completely naturally aspirated. I love how people think they're hot stuff because their using forced induction, and get spanked by TRUE ENGINEERING, not the easy way to make power.

As an engineer, I have to say you have no clue.

What vague and arbitrary lines do you use to determine that forced induction is "fake" and things like VTEC, combustion chamber shape, and computer controlled injection are "true engineering"? What, just because it's harder to make power one way, that makes it more legit?

I could make an engine that ran on whale vomit and dog farts. Heck, throw enough money at it and I could make it fast. Would that make me a "true engineer"? No, it would make me stupid.

Engineering is all about the cheapest, safest, and simplest way to achieve certain goals. When it comes to car engines, we're looking for ways to make more power out of a lighter engine while consuming less fuel and improving reliability. Pretty much every advance on automotive engines was to address one or more of those issues. Turbochargers came about to increase power without increasing the weight much, and they work very well. Only a complete fool would disregard the power produced by a blown engine as "the easy way out".

 

[Demon-Xanth]

300ZX: 13.7@102 (Car and Driver, 2/92)
S2000: 14.1@97 (Car and Driver, 11/03)

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: CraigRT

Originally posted by: chowmein
no way in hell can a s2000 beat the Z in a 1/4 mile or even on the track.

i hate turbos as much as the next guy, but force inductions aren't to be taken lightly. bolt-ons isn't as simple as plug and play.

no one will ever understand the sheer godly-like vehicle as the EvoVIII. all you ricer-haters would seriously get owned by this car, bottomline.

It's true.
And a lot of the people here know it, as they watch Top Gear, and everyone knows the new Evo did the track in an astonishing time up there with the Lambo Murcielago. It's not a car to mess with that's for sure.

It just depends on how much work he's done to the 300zx. Stock for stock, the 300z is a faster car. But my friend's done a lot of work to his. And hearing about what he's done to his Z, my friends S2000 would most definetely take it

 

[murphy55d]

I dont like to hear my car at all, except for my speakers.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Which Car?? My 99' Civic Si (Daily driver not much work done to it) my 1984 S-10 Blazer or my '71 Dart that isn't running right now? Let me know, I'd be glad to.

I used to have a 1994 TA LT1 if you want to hear about that one.

I work on cars. I know cars. I'm a Honda Man, I'm also a Bowtie man, and I'm also a Mopar man. I've also worked on quite a few Toyota's, Subaru's, and Mitsubishi's. Never really worked much on Nissan's, but that doesn't mean I'm not knowledgeable.

The car that we were talking about- your Civic.

If you're going to compare your Civic to my Z, at least use your Civic as the example. Don't try to bring in your friends cars, or cars of people that you know, or cars that you've seen on TV.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: CraigRT

Originally posted by: chowmein
no way in hell can a s2000 beat the Z in a 1/4 mile or even on the track.

i hate turbos as much as the next guy, but force inductions aren't to be taken lightly. bolt-ons isn't as simple as plug and play.

no one will ever understand the sheer godly-like vehicle as the EvoVIII. all you ricer-haters would seriously get owned by this car, bottomline.

It's true.
And a lot of the people here know it, as they watch Top Gear, and everyone knows the new Evo did the track in an astonishing time up there with the Lambo Murcielago. It's not a car to mess with that's for sure.

It just depends on how much work he's done to the 300zx. Stock for stock, the 300z is a faster car. But my friend's done a lot of work to his. And hearing about what he's done to his Z, my friends S2000 would most definetely take it

I was just referring to the EvoVIII, but yeah, it does depend of course....

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Which Car?? My 99' Civic Si (Daily driver not much work done to it) my 1984 S-10 Blazer or my '71 Dart that isn't running right now? Let me know, I'd be glad to.

I used to have a 1994 TA LT1 if you want to hear about that one.

I work on cars. I know cars. I'm a Honda Man, I'm also a Bowtie man, and I'm also a Mopar man. I've also worked on quite a few Toyota's, Subaru's, and Mitsubishi's. Never really worked much on Nissan's, but that doesn't mean I'm not knowledgeable.

The car that we were talking about- your Civic.

If you're going to compare your Civic to my Z, at least use your Civic as the example. Don't try to bring in your friends cars, or cars of people that you know, or cars that you've seen on TV.

HAHAAAAHAHAHAHHA

Never did I compare my Civic to your Z. I was merely talking about how much I love the SOUND of my car, not the power it makes. The SOUND. Once again, thats the SOUND of the motor, and not the EXHAUSt in case you want to play that card again.

My Civic has nothing done to it. Its got intake, and plug wires. Thats it. I did that for a bit of mileage and better sound. I'm not trying to make my Civic some beast, thats what the Dart's for.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
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It just depends on how much work he's done to the 300zx. Stock for stock, the 300z is a faster car. But my friend's done a lot of work to his. And hearing about what he's done to his Z, my friends S2000 would most definetely take it

300ZX: 13.7@102 (Car and Driver, 2/92)
S2000: 14.1@97 (Car and Driver, 11/03)

Not a faster car stock.

And we're not talking about your friend's car anyway. Why is it when you get in an argument with someone with a slow car, they try to bring up their friend's car? I am one person and I know many people. Chances are that I know someone with a faster car/more money/taller/fatter/better looking/younger/older than me. We're not talking about your friends, either real or imaginary. We are talking about you and I.

If you want to post your friend's timeslips, go ahead, but it's not your car.

 

[chowmein]

Amdzen not to hate on you, but where you are getting these ridiculous info from?

91ttz you are one hostile person. wooo saaaa ... just explain no need to get personal

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Never did I compare my Civic to your Z. I was merely talking about how much I love the SOUND of my car, not the power it makes.

Ok, then post the timeslips and/or dynochart of the Blazer that you compared my "POS Z" to. We already know that a Dart that doesn't run produces 0 rwhp and runs a 0.0 @ 0 mph.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
My car is modded but it's still fairly quiet. The turbos really help muffle the sound. And it doesn't sound restricted at WOT either.

Ummm, yea. If you have turbos (plural) and the car is quiet, then yes you are restricting something somewhere. And turbo car's are normally louder, not quieter, then their naturally aspirated equivelant. There is no way in he|| you could not be restricting a car thats turbo charged, if its quiet. Besides, chances are that you don't have turbo's (plural).

That is 100% false. Turbocharged cars will ALWAYS be quieter than their naturally aspirated equivalents because the turbine section of the turbo is in the exhaust stream, mulling the exhaust pulses. An NA engine will have a louder, raspier exhaust note with the same exhaust system.

Read and learn.

Depends on if your going to run the turbos CORRECTLY. If their running at a decent amout of boost, you always have to have a BOV. Have you ever heard a BOV? Its loud. Besides, if you turbo your car, you usually free up the exhaust, because if your after more power then why would you be restricting it? Turbo cars become louder BECAUSE their normally bolted onto cars. I'm not talking about turbo cars that came from the factory with a much lower compression.

BOVs are not loud, unless you get a pansyass one with a very restricted flow. "PFFT" every time it clutches isn't bad. A bus venting air brakes is louder. Or you're overly sensitive.

I seriously can't believe how so many people on this board have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to cars.

I can hear my Friends Evo VIII from 5 BLOCKS AWAY+++. I know exactly when he's coming, first you hear the Turbo-charged four running through the down pipe out the exhaust, and right before the shift you hear a huge WSHHHHHHHHHHHSHHHHHH. Maybe the BOV's you here aren't loud, but those people probably aren't running a big enough intercooler's at high enough boost to even NEED a BOV in the first place.

Man, fvck that. I just typed a longass reply and the censor killed it.

Anyway, in short, I drive a 1988 MOPAR turbovan running ~20PSI. Don't fvcking tell me what a turbocharged 4cyl engine with a BOV sounds like. Oh, and learn some turbo mechanics, will you? A *REAL* BOV is a simple pressure relief value; it's sound changes with the pressure. A tiny valve, it'll be loud and stupid and jump out of place at high boost. That's why you get a big, nasty valve. Your "friend" is either running a real BOV + an electronic "OMGWTFRICEBOY" BOV simulator, or a teeny tiny BOV for low boost applications. Either way, it's wrong.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: AMDZen
The Civic I have is merely one of the cars I have. I own 3 vehicles. You think your Z is so frickin hot?? My friends S2000 would totally spank it. And thats completely naturally aspirated. I love how people think they're hot stuff because their using forced induction, and get spanked by TRUE ENGINEERING, not the easy way to make power.

As an engineer, I have to say you have no clue.

What vague and arbitrary lines do you use to determine that forced induction is "fake" and things like VTEC, combustion chamber shape, and computer controlled injection are "true engineering"? What, just because it's harder to make power one way, that makes it more legit?

I could make an engine that ran on whale vomit and dog farts. Heck, throw enough money at it and I could make it fast. Would that make me a "true engineer"? No, it would make me stupid.

Engineering is all about the cheapest, safest, and simplest way to achieve certain goals. When it comes to car engines, we're looking for ways to make more power out of a lighter engine while consuming less fuel and improving reliability. Pretty much every advance on automotive engines was to address one or more of those issues. Turbochargers came about to increase power without increasing the weight much, and they work very well. Only a complete fool would disregard the power produced by a blown engine as "the easy way out".

I agree with what your saying, I just respect the hell out of what Honda's motors are capable of. Naturally aspirated no less. Thats all. Turbocharging or supercharging is a great thing in the long run, but I can respect someone who can get as much power with out it, more. Thats all.

You got to understand, I was raised being a Bowtie man. I have learned to respect Honda's by owning them and working on them. And anyone who is a supposed engineer would understand that some of Honda's motors are truly engineering marvels. But then again you probably don't know anything about Honda motors, attributing it all to ricers.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: AMDZen
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It just depends on how much work he's done to the 300zx. Stock for stock, the 300z is a faster car. But my friend's done a lot of work to his. And hearing about what he's done to his Z, my friends S2000 would most definetely take it

300ZX: 13.7@102 (Car and Driver, 2/92)
S2000: 14.1@97 (Car and Driver, 11/03)

Not a faster car stock.

And we're not talking about your friend's car anyway. Why is it when you get in an argument with someone with a slow car, they try to bring up their friend's car? I am one person and I know many people. Chances are that I know someone with a faster car/more money/taller/fatter/better looking/younger/older than me. We're not talking about your friends, either real or imaginary. We are talking about you and I.

If you want to post your friend's timeslips, go ahead, but it's not your car.

Dude control yourself. This thread is about SOUND. SOUND YOU FRICKIN idiot. I'm just defending my B16 and other Honda motors that sound awesome because of all the anti-Honda people around here that don't know what their talking about. B16's Rule, and they sound awesome. That is all

 

[chowmein]

AMDZEN is right about the potential of Hondas and B16s. No one here can argue w/ that fact.

search for a BMW/german car thread. i was in a heated ... also pointless battle btw the fan boys as well. no use in arguing.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Never did I compare my Civic to your Z. I was merely talking about how much I love the SOUND of my car, not the power it makes.

Ok, then post the timeslips and/or dynochart of the Blazer that you compared my "POS Z" to. We already know that a Dart that doesn't run produces 0 rwhp and runs a 0.0 @ 0 mph.

Never dyno'd the blaze, but it probably makes about 350-360 whp. It gets horrible gas mileage, but its fun to 4x with. Damn thing will go anywhere. And it does 14 seconds in the quarter (bare in mind this is at Bandimere, more then a mile high), I bested a Typhoon at the track once (if you know what that is) which weighs similar or the same so I know it makes more HP then that.