Why are vehicle enthusiasts attracted to LOUD vehicles?

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
My car is modded but it's still fairly quiet. The turbos really help muffle the sound. And it doesn't sound restricted at WOT either.

Ummm, yea. If you have turbos (plural) and the car is quiet, then yes you are restricting something somewhere. And turbo car's are normally louder, not quieter, then their naturally aspirated equivelant. There is no way in he|| you could not be restricting a car thats turbo charged, if its quiet. Besides, chances are that you don't have turbo's (plural).

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Proven by these lines..

Any way, if you think all ricers sound like a 50cc motor, you obviously haven't heard any of Honda's high output motors at high RPM's. My B16 sounds fantastic at WOT @ around 7000-8000 rpm. The B18C, and the 2.0 in the S2000 all sound frickin' fantastic.

I will forgive you since your not a car person, but more sound = more power. I can't believe people would rather have a quiet car that sounds like utter shite at WOT.

b16 sounds like a buzzbee getting raped by an elephant.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: CraigRT
I like teh sound of a nice sounding car /exhaust!

ok fine, enjoy your ford taurus, i'll take my Ferrari with NO radio just to listen to the sound teh car makes, ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!
MUSIC TO MY EARS!

a true car buff understands this.

:right on:

This is exactly what I'm talking about. If your a guy, and your wondering why other guys like loud cars, and like to make their cars louder. Then your either gay or you need to turn in your man card right now. No exceptions

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Any way, if you think all ricers sound like a 50cc motor, you obviously haven't heard any of Honda's high output motors at high RPM's. My B16 sounds fantastic at WOT @ around 7000-8000 rpm. The B18C, and the 2.0 in the S2000 all sound frickin' fantastic.

Hate to break it to you, but the monotonous drone that is a Honda motor at high RPMs with a bigger exhaust is HEADACHE-INDUCING, not "fantastic". It's not just that I don't like the sound of 4-bangers...I think my MR2 sounds pretty good at high RPMs...but the difference is that my 4AGE has a more complex and throatier sound than your average Honda engine.

Like most everyone else here, you have no idea what your talking about. I don't have exhaust on my Civic. And I guarentee my B16A2 sounds better then your 4AGE

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
My car is modded but it's still fairly quiet. The turbos really help muffle the sound. And it doesn't sound restricted at WOT either.

Ummm, yea. If you have turbos (plural) and the car is quiet, then yes you are restricting something somewhere. And turbo car's are normally louder, not quieter, then their naturally aspirated equivelant. There is no way in he|| you could not be restricting a car thats turbo charged, if its quiet. Besides, chances are that you don't have turbo's (plural).

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Proven by these lines..

Any way, if you think all ricers sound like a 50cc motor, you obviously haven't heard any of Honda's high output motors at high RPM's. My B16 sounds fantastic at WOT @ around 7000-8000 rpm. The B18C, and the 2.0 in the S2000 all sound frickin' fantastic.

I will forgive you since your not a car person, but more sound = more power. I can't believe people would rather have a quiet car that sounds like utter shite at WOT.

b16 sounds like a buzzbee getting raped by an elephant.

Your an idiot. The B16A, F20 and B18C motors sound well ... the best engine to compare the sound to is the 3.5L V-8 in a Ferrari. You've obviously never heard one of these motors properly un-capped, THE MOTOR NOT THE EXHAUST, or you wouldn't make such a rediculous statement

 

[Demon-Xanth]

More sound does not neccessarily mean more power. A well tuned full length exhaust can often out perform an open exhaust. With most cars today, the muffler IS NOT the limiting factor on an exhaust. Not by a long shot. The catylitic converters cause much more backpressure than most mufflers. In my car's case, I have a cat on each muffler, and one after the Y pipe. I went from a stock to effectively a glass pack muffler, the volume is up, not much, but noticable. Performance isn't changed. But I got the tone I wanted. I didn't care about the volume of the noise, just what the noise was. The SRT-4 Neon, doesn't even have any muffler at all. Between the turbo's impeller and the cat, there's enough muffling to pass DOT regs.

Tuned exhaust>>open pipes.

An example of the well tuned exhausts is in two stroke engines. Thier expansion chambers and well fashioned exhausts make having one make much more power than not having any at all. Because of the valves in four strokes, the difference is much less noticable. For most cars, the difference between stock and the extreme best case (emmissions legal, if not DOT legal) is probably less than 10%

 

[CRXican]

Nothing like the scream of VTEC. I haven't had a working stereo in my car for at least 2 years. My engine and exhaust are music to my ears and it's fun to scare pedestrians with the VTEC crossover.

 

[EyeMWing]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
My car is modded but it's still fairly quiet. The turbos really help muffle the sound. And it doesn't sound restricted at WOT either.

Ummm, yea. If you have turbos (plural) and the car is quiet, then yes you are restricting something somewhere. And turbo car's are normally louder, not quieter, then their naturally aspirated equivelant. There is no way in he|| you could not be restricting a car thats turbo charged, if its quiet. Besides, chances are that you don't have turbo's (plural).

That is 100% false. Turbocharged cars will ALWAYS be quieter than their naturally aspirated equivalents because the turbine section of the turbo is in the exhaust stream, mulling the exhaust pulses. An NA engine will have a louder, raspier exhaust note with the same exhaust system.

Read and learn.

Depends on if your going to run the turbos CORRECTLY. If their running at a decent amout of boost, you always have to have a BOV. Have you ever heard a BOV? Its loud. Besides, if you turbo your car, you usually free up the exhaust, because if your after more power then why would you be restricting it? Turbo cars become louder BECAUSE their normally bolted onto cars. I'm not talking about turbo cars that came from the factory with a much lower compression.

BOVs are not loud, unless you get a pansyass one with a very restricted flow. "PFFT" every time it clutches isn't bad. A bus venting air brakes is louder. Or you're overly sensitive.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: CRXican
Nothing like the scream of VTEC. I haven't had a working stereo in my car for at least 2 years. My engine and exhaust are music to my ears and it's fun to scare pedestrians with the VTEC crossover.

You got a B16 in your CRX?

See you can actually comment on the sound of the B16 then. Most people have never even heard the high output Honda motors un-capped. Even the people who drive S2000's very rarely put the right intake on it.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Your an idiot. The B16A, F20 and B18C motors sound well ... the best engine to compare the sound to is the 3.5L V-8 in a Ferrari. You've obviously never heard one of these motors properly un-capped, THE MOTOR NOT THE EXHAUST, or you wouldn't make such a rediculous statement

Personally, I don't like the sound of the Hondas nor Ferrari exhausts. They don't do anything for me. I listened to a 360 Modena fire up and drive off while filing up with gas. Didn't like it. It lacked the engine sound, it was just kind of a buzz. I rode in a (now race) CRX w/ a B16A, completely unimpressed. I listened to an old ass (1964?) Pontiac Grand Prix fire up. It looked like it was all original, down to the HD 8 lug wheels. I liked it. I had a Dodge Daytona with a Hemi drive by (could've been a clone or Superbird w/ Dodge panels), I had to get new pants. And if you've ever heard a 540 RWHP small block Chevy spin 7500, you'll know it's nice from idle until mechanical sympathy hits.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Depends on if your going to run the turbos CORRECTLY. If their running at a decent amout of boost, you always have to have a BOV. Have you ever heard a BOV? Its loud. Besides, if you turbo your car, you usually free up the exhaust, because if your after more power then why would you be restricting it? Turbo cars become louder BECAUSE their normally bolted onto cars. I'm not talking about turbo cars that came from the factory with a much lower compression.

I'm sorry to have to break this to you, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to cars. Gain some experience and come back to me.

You reasoning is like a typical ricer. I am not at all surprised to hear that you drive a Civic.

Turbo cars become louder BECAUSE their normally bolted onto cars.

That made no sense. Putting a turbo on any engine will give it 1) a muffled intake sound because of the compressor being in the intake air stream, and 2) a muffled exhaust sound because of the turbine being in the exhaust gas stream. Muffling intake and exhaust notes, well, muffles them. It doesn't make them louder.

Have you ever heard a BOV?

No, I've never heard a BOV. I have 2 on my car (which replaced the stock recirculation valves) but I've never heard them and have no experience at all with them.

And if you want to run turbos correctly you don't do it the cheap and easy way and just slap a turbo on an NA engine. A NA's high compression pistons will never let you realize your turbos' full potential. There are many, many things which should be changed to do it properly. I'll give you a short list of upgrades on the Z's TT engine over the Z's NA engine:

Lower compression pistons
Upgraded oil pump
inconel exhaust valves vs. stainless exhaust valves on the NA
different cams
different ECU
upgraded injectors
oil squirters in the engine block flow more oil and are aimed differently to cool the pistons

You're out of your league in this argument.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
My car is modded but it's still fairly quiet. The turbos really help muffle the sound. And it doesn't sound restricted at WOT either.

Ummm, yea. If you have turbos (plural) and the car is quiet, then yes you are restricting something somewhere. And turbo car's are normally louder, not quieter, then their naturally aspirated equivelant. There is no way in he|| you could not be restricting a car thats turbo charged, if its quiet. Besides, chances are that you don't have turbo's (plural).

That is 100% false. Turbocharged cars will ALWAYS be quieter than their naturally aspirated equivalents because the turbine section of the turbo is in the exhaust stream, mulling the exhaust pulses. An NA engine will have a louder, raspier exhaust note with the same exhaust system.

Read and learn.

Depends on if your going to run the turbos CORRECTLY. If their running at a decent amout of boost, you always have to have a BOV. Have you ever heard a BOV? Its loud. Besides, if you turbo your car, you usually free up the exhaust, because if your after more power then why would you be restricting it? Turbo cars become louder BECAUSE their normally bolted onto cars. I'm not talking about turbo cars that came from the factory with a much lower compression.

BOVs are not loud, unless you get a pansyass one with a very restricted flow. "PFFT" every time it clutches isn't bad. A bus venting air brakes is louder. Or you're overly sensitive.

I seriously can't believe how so many people on this board have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to cars.

I can hear my Friends Evo VIII from 5 BLOCKS AWAY+++. I know exactly when he's coming, first you hear the Turbo-charged four running through the down pipe out the exhaust, and right before the shift you hear a huge WSHHHHHHHHHHHSHHHHHH. Maybe the BOV's you here aren't loud, but those people probably aren't running a big enough intercooler's at high enough boost to even NEED a BOV in the first place.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Your an idiot. The B16A, F20 and B18C motors sound well ... the best engine to compare the sound to is the 3.5L V-8 in a Ferrari. You've obviously never heard one of these motors properly un-capped, THE MOTOR NOT THE EXHAUST, or you wouldn't make such a rediculous statement

You're comparing your Honda to a Ferrari? Please pass the crackpipe. Have you ever HEARD a Ferrari?

Ferraris don't have my favorite engine sound, but they're still much better than all the Hondas I've heard.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Your an idiot. The B16A, F20 and B18C motors sound well ... the best engine to compare the sound to is the 3.5L V-8 in a Ferrari. You've obviously never heard one of these motors properly un-capped, THE MOTOR NOT THE EXHAUST, or you wouldn't make such a rediculous statement

Personally, I don't like the sound of the Hondas nor Ferrari exhausts. They don't do anything for me. I listened to a 360 Modena fire up and drive off while filing up with gas. Didn't like it. It lacked the engine sound, it was just kind of a buzz. I rode in a (now race) CRX w/ a B16A, completely unimpressed. I listened to an old ass (1964?) Pontiac Grand Prix fire up. It looked like it was all original, down to the HD 8 lug wheels. I liked it. I had a Dodge Daytona with a Hemi drive by (could've been a clone or Superbird w/ Dodge panels), I had to get new pants. And if you've ever heard a 540 RWHP small block Chevy spin 7500, you'll know it's nice from idle until mechanical sympathy hits.

Once again. I"M TALKING ABOUT THE MOTOR NOT THE EXHAUST. Jesus.

Whether its your preference or not, a B16 at 8000rpm and a Ferrari at 8000rpm both sound FRICKIN AMAZING. I can't understand why anyone, WHO HAS HEARD ONE FROM INSIDE THE CAR, can argue with this fact.

My dad was (retired) a mechanic. Such a good mechanic that he actually worked on Ferrari's. I have ridden in Ferrari's. And now, like him I work on Cars. Not for a living, but for a Hobby. I know Honda motors aren't as good sounding as Ferrari motors, but the SPECIFIC sound of a B16 in VTEC at 8000rpm can only be compared to a Ferrari. Its quite similar in tone, just not as pronounced.

 

[chowmein]

i personally love the sound of the engine and not the exhaust.

Hate the metallic sound of Turbos.

who doesn't love the sound of a car redlining? who doesn't!???

must agree B16s are music to my ears.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Depends on if your going to run the turbos CORRECTLY. If their running at a decent amout of boost, you always have to have a BOV. Have you ever heard a BOV? Its loud. Besides, if you turbo your car, you usually free up the exhaust, because if your after more power then why would you be restricting it? Turbo cars become louder BECAUSE their normally bolted onto cars. I'm not talking about turbo cars that came from the factory with a much lower compression.

I'm sorry to have to break this to you, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to cars. Gain some experience and come back to me.

You reasoning is like a typical ricer. I am not at all surprised to hear that you drive a Civic.

Turbo cars become louder BECAUSE their normally bolted onto cars.

That made no sense. Putting a turbo on any engine will give it 1) a muffled intake sound because of the compressor being in the intake air stream, and 2) a muffled exhaust sound because of the turbine being in the exhaust gas stream. Muffling intake and exhaust notes, well, muffles them. It doesn't make them louder.

Have you ever heard a BOV?

No, I've never heard a BOV. I have 2 on my car (which replaced the stock recirculation valves) but I've never heard them and have no experience at all with them.

And if you want to run turbos correctly you don't do it the cheap and easy way and just slap a turbo on an NA engine. A NA's high compression pistons will never let you realize your turbos' full potential. There are many, many things which should be changed to do it properly. I'll give you a short list of upgrades on the Z's TT engine over the Z's NA engine:

Lower compression pistons
Upgraded oil pump
inconel exhaust valves vs. stainless exhaust valves on the NA
different cams
different ECU
upgraded injectors
oil squirters in the engine block flow more oil and are aimed differently to cool the pistons

You're out of your league in this argument.

The Civic I have is merely one of the cars I have. I own 3 vehicles. You think your Z is so frickin hot?? My friends S2000 would totally spank it. And thats completely naturally aspirated. I love how people think they're hot stuff because their using forced induction, and get spanked by TRUE ENGINEERING, not the easy way to make power.

I know what I'm talking about, your probably running 16 PSI, thats why your BOV's don't resonate down the street.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

I seriously can't believe how so many people on this board have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to cars.

Sadly, you are one of them.

I can hear my Friends Evo VIII from 5 BLOCKS AWAY+++. I know exactly when he's coming, first you hear the Turbo-charged four running through the down pipe out the exhaust, and right before the shift you hear a huge WSHHHHHHHHHHHSHHHHHH. .

Sounds like he's an obnoxious ricer. Birds of a feather flock together.

Maybe the BOV's you here aren't loud, but those people probably aren't running a big enough intercooler's at high enough boost to even NEED a BOV in the first place

Intercoolers have nothing AT ALL to do with blow off valves.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Once again. I"M TALKING ABOUT THE MOTOR NOT THE EXHAUST. Jesus.

Whether its your preference or not, a B16 at 8000rpm and a Ferrari at 8000rpm both sound FRICKIN AMAZING. I can't understand why anyone, WHO HAS HEARD ONE FROM INSIDE THE CAR, can argue with this fact.

My dad was (retired) a mechanic. Such a good mechanic that he actually worked on Ferrari's. I have ridden in Ferrari's. And now, like him I work on Cars. Not for a living, but for a Hobby. I know Honda motors aren't as good sounding as Ferrari motors, but the SPECIFIC sound of a B16 in VTEC at 8000rpm can only be compared to a Ferrari. Its quite similar in tone, just not as pronounced.

The difference between the engines that YOU like and the engines that I like sound wise is the difference between a bass guitar and a violin. I like the guitar, you like the violin.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: chowmein
i personally love the sound of the engine and not the exhaust.

Hate the metallic sound of Turbos.

who doesn't love the sound of a car redlining? who doesn't!???

must agree B16s are music to my ears.

I don't with alot of engines, I much perfer the band between peak torque and peak power where the ram effect caused by the intake runner length produces some nice tones.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Once again. I"M TALKING ABOUT THE MOTOR NOT THE EXHAUST. Jesus.

Whether its your preference or not, a B16 at 8000rpm and a Ferrari at 8000rpm both sound FRICKIN AMAZING. I can't understand why anyone, WHO HAS HEARD ONE FROM INSIDE THE CAR, can argue with this fact.

My dad was (retired) a mechanic. Such a good mechanic that he actually worked on Ferrari's. I have ridden in Ferrari's. And now, like him I work on Cars. Not for a living, but for a Hobby. I know Honda motors aren't as good sounding as Ferrari motors, but the SPECIFIC sound of a B16 in VTEC at 8000rpm can only be compared to a Ferrari. Its quite similar in tone, just not as pronounced.

The difference between the engines that YOU like and the engines that I like sound wise is the difference between a bass guitar and a violin. I like the guitar, you like the violin.

You just admitted that you don't like the sound of a Ferrari. I have nothing more to say to you, your just another typical Fan Boy who doesn't like anything that isn't American.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: AMDZen

I seriously can't believe how so many people on this board have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to cars.

Sadly, you are one of them.

I can hear my Friends Evo VIII from 5 BLOCKS AWAY+++. I know exactly when he's coming, first you hear the Turbo-charged four running through the down pipe out the exhaust, and right before the shift you hear a huge WSHHHHHHHHHHHSHHHHHH. .

Sounds like he's an obnoxious ricer. Birds of a feather flock together.

Maybe the BOV's you here aren't loud, but those people probably aren't running a big enough intercooler's at high enough boost to even NEED a BOV in the first place

Intercoolers have nothing AT ALL to do with blow off valves.

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If you knew what my other two vehicles were, you wouldn't call me a Ricer. The EVo VIII is a frickin awesome car. Anyone who thinks other wise simply because its japanese is a total frickin moron.

BTW my other car that runs right now is an 1984 S-10 Blazer with a 350 shoved in it. And you know what, it would spank your little POS Z too. Lets run them and see shall we Come to Denver, see how it runs a mile high

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
You just admitted that you don't like the sound of a Ferrari. I have nothing more to say to you, your just another typical Fan Boy who doesn't like anything that isn't American.

I said at the beginning that it's a personal preference thing. I never said you were wrong in liking Ferrari. I just have a different taste.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
You think your Z is so frickin hot?? My friends S2000 would totally spank it.

I never said my Z is "so frickin hot". You're the one who tried to tell me that my car didn't have "turbos". Idiotic.

We are not talking about your friend's S2000. Your friend is not in this conversation. If we're going to be ridiculous and talk about cars that we don't own and didn't have to buy, then I know a top fuel dragster that will beat your friend's S2000. And his S2000 wouldn't beat me anyway.

And thats completely naturally aspirated. I love how people think they're hot stuff because their using forced indection, and get spanked by TRUE ENGINEERING, not the easy way to make power.

People who go for power the most effective way possible are practicle. Only a ricer idiot would rather rev to 10,000 rpm to make 250 than rev to 6000 to make 300 hp. RPM's don't accelerate a car, horsepower does.

I know what I'm talking about, your probably running 16 PSI, thats why your BOV's don't resonate down the street.

You have no clue what you're talking about. Please continue arguing with me so more and more people can realize this.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: AMDZen
You just admitted that you don't like the sound of a Ferrari. I have nothing more to say to you, your just another typical Fan Boy who doesn't like anything that isn't American.

I said at the beginning that it's a personal preference thing. I never said you were wrong in liking Ferrari. I just have a different taste.

OK then, have you ever been in a Honda with the B16 in it and heard it at 8000rpm? Notice how I said INSIDE. Because if you have, then you would see how I can compare it to the sound a Ferrari makes. I'm not about to say its THE SAME, only similar. If Ferrari used Inline 4 motors in a car, it would sound very similar to the Honda motors. Even if you don't like it, you would hear some similarities.

The difference would be, the Honda motor would last a lot longer.

Trust me, I do know this. I love Ferrari's with every beat of my heart, but their motors are not meant to last.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: AMDZen
You think your Z is so frickin hot?? My friends S2000 would totally spank it.

I never said my Z is "so frickin hot". You're the one who tried to tell me that my car didn't have "turbos". Idiotic.

We are not talking about your friend's S2000. Your friend is not in this conversation. If we're going to be ridiculous and talk about cars that we don't own and didn't have to buy, then I know a top fuel dragster that will beat your friend's S2000. And his S2000 wouldn't beat me anyway.

And thats completely naturally aspirated. I love how people think they're hot stuff because their using forced indection, and get spanked by TRUE ENGINEERING, not the easy way to make power.

People who go for power the most effective way possible are practicle. Only a ricer idiot would rather rev to 10,000 rpm to make 250 than rev to 6000 to make 300 hp. RPM's don't accelerate a car, horsepower does.

I know what I'm talking about, your probably running 16 PSI, thats why your BOV's don't resonate down the street.

You have no clue what you're talking about. Please continue arguing with me so more and more people can realize this.

Why don't you tell me then? How much PSI are you running on your twin turbo's? What have you done to the car other then the BOV's? And what sort of times do you run in the 1/4 mile? Have you ever dyno'ed it?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
The EVo VIII is a frickin awesome car. Anyone who thinks other wise simply because its japanese is a total frickin moron.

Yeah, I hate cars because they're Japanese, yet I drive a 300ZX.

BTW my other car that runs right now is an 1984 S-10 Blazer with a 350 shoved in it. And you know what, it would spank your little POS Z too. Lets run them and see shall we Come to Denver, see how it runs a mile high

Yet another example of someone who has absolutely no clue about engine operation. My turbocharged engine would have a major advantage over a NA engine at higher altitudes. That's the entire reason the turbocharger was invented- to give bombers more power in the low density air at high altitudes. While your engine will be anemic with the lower density air, my engine will be getting its air force fed to it.

Keep on talking, you're starting to look bad.