Why are the majority of cars in the US of A Automatic?

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hans007

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i'd say there are a lot of reasons that combined contribute to the continued decline in manuals.

first as Zenmervolt has posted the automatic was invented here so we sort of get a head start as far as the move towards automatics. i think most people are lazy or don't care about driving so much and driving is a chore for them so they go with the easiest option. automatics are convenient if anything. i mean i can drive manual and i have liked it on occasion but i don't own a manual car just becuase sometimes it is more difficult. i mean why get really good at say holding position on an incline in a parking structure or parallel parking on a hill when uh you dont have to. those are not the fun parts of driving manual, and well its a tradeoff that most people are not willing to make for everyday driving.

if i had the space / money i'd DEFINITELY buy a second car that was a manual.

now one thing that contributes to the faster decline of it is that no one has a manual now to begin with in cities. i grew up in Los Angeles. Probably one of the most congested cities on earth. Now for the people who say its not that hard to drive in traffic in manual vs automatic, it probably really isnt. but its more tedious and it is annoying. As such given enough time most people in LA do not have a manual. then most children do not have a manual to learn on. I've got friends from other states and if anything they were exposed to manual a lot earlier. so anyway this causes the effect to snowball.

in the UK if its really 85% manual well, most people will learn on a manual since most cars are manual, so the "there wasnt a manual around" reason wont be there. they'll be used to it anyway , and just be comfortable.

like i don't think i'd ever argue that manual was less fun during the fun parts of driving (i.e. no traffic, curvy road, etc), but you take the whole package and have to use it for all the other parts of driving (commuting) and for most people the trade isnt worth it.

other factors i figure that contribute are that its not cheaper, and tends to get worse mpg now. it used to be cheaper and still is on economy cars. but on the type of cars i'd want to get it on, first off its impossible to find at a dealership and secondly its more expensive. ona bmw its a no cost option. on acuras that have it, its a no cost option. on an infiniti they actually charge you more. audi its actually still cheaper. mercedes sells a grand total of 1 manual car. etc

on top of that to get the published mpg rating which is almost always lower now given autos have 7 / 8 speeds in most nicer cars these days, you would have to constantly be rowing up to 6th gear and driving a car like a grandma. which isn't fun anyway. so it almost never gets better mpg now.

and this is just on cars that are actually fun to drive.

im not sure i'd even bother if i was driving some appliance to even think about a manual option. the funness would definitely be outweighed by the tediousness in traffic etc in LA anyway. thats probably the reason they stopped making manual camrys
 
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Childs

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i think most people are lazy or don't care about driving so much and driving is a chore for them so they go with the easiest option. automatics are convenient if anything.

Driving is a convenience. The non lazy way to get from A to B is to walk. But then you'd get some clown saying that they are lazy for not jogging. A car is for transportation, and it should be understandable that most people view it that way without assaulting the drivers character! :p
 

ViviTheMage

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All my vehciles are manual, I wouldn't have it any other way :).

08 135i - 6 speed manual
06 xterra - 6 speed manual
99.5 vw golf - 5 speed manual

the only auto I ever owned was a F150 my parents gave me when I was 16...

now that I got my GF driving a manual, she never wants one again!
 

CraigRT

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Freaking sad. I have and will always love rowing my own gears.
Every car I've ever bought was manual, don't plan on changing unless forced into it by limited options in the future.
 
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Why would I want more interaction with a car than needed? Its a machine to get me from point a to point b. I want to be comfortable as possible and an auto does that.
 

_Rick_

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Why would I want more interaction with a car than needed? Its a machine to get me from point a to point b. I want to be comfortable as possible and an auto does that.

If I want to get from A to B.....I take the train.
 

JCH13

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I can definitely see the appeal of having an automatic for commuting, especially now that automatics generally get better fuel economy than manuals.

My track/sunday car will always be stick though.
 

nerp

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I'd hate not being able to be in the gear I want to be in, I like to pre-empt what I'm about to do by putting it in the appropriate gear... No matter how good an automatic is it can't do that.

Then you haven't driven the new 8-speed transmission in my car. It does a better job being in the perfect gear for maximum torque/acceleration no matter what speed or direction I'm going than the vast majority of humans out there ever could. Essentially, my car shifts as if I'm pumped full of adrenaline and shifting like mad despite both hands being on the wheel at all times.
 

exdeath

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If being in the wrong gear to accelerate is a problem for you, you don't have a transmission problem you have a lack of torque problem.

My car is manual but I pretty much stay in 6th while commuting, even when passing.
 

Throckmorton

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I'm surprised how many non car enthusiasts who just want to get from point A to B there are on this subforum.
 

Childs

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I'm surprised how many non car enthusiasts who just want to get from point A to B there are on this subforum.

We are not necessarily talking about ourselves, at least I'm not. Question is why the majority of cars in the USA are Autos. Point A to B drivers is one of many answers.
 

Throckmorton

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We are not necessarily talking about ourselves, at least I'm not. Question is why the majority of cars in the USA are Autos. Point A to B drivers is one of many answers.

No, I'm talking about the people who are AtoBers on here
 

hans007

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No, I'm talking about the people who are AtoBers on here

i guess you have a point, why would you go on "the garage" if you didn't care about cars.

but you might just be reading "the garage" for any other reason, and i guess wanted to interject.

on another note i used to think that techie types would naturally like cars and working on them as they are complex machines with complex things to play with. but i realized i was wrong. so many of my friends who are engineer types drive "appliance" type cars, and its absolutely just A to B to them. in fact i've noticed my engineering type friends tend to view cars as an optimization problem. like how to get from A to B with the least amount of money used for the easiest to deal with car. i.e. wall of toyota products.
 

michal1980

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If its fun and the roads are right...why not? It's not like you have to break laws to do it.

Engine braking rocks.
Rotors last a lot longer, brake pads last a lot longer.
I haven't ever had to replace the rotors on any car I've owned.

Egnine braking unless required (ie down montains) is for noobs.

Engineers put brakes on cars for a reason. Most experts would agree. Most internet e-penis types love to brage about engine braking.
 

pauldun170

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Egnine braking unless required (ie down montains) is for noobs.

Engineers put brakes on cars for a reason. Most experts would agree. Most internet e-penis types love to brage about engine braking.

you sho iz angry

congratulations on your link..it such is a blog and such as that sort of thing.

this here noobs drives a stick and enjoys the things and things.
Call me whatever
enjoy all the things
 

Raduque

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Most Americans are lazy and don't want to work at driving.

For the record, I learned to drive on an F250 with a 4 speed, my car in WV was a 5spd Accord, and I got my Texas license in my mother's Eclipse with a 5spd.

I like driving manuals, but sadly Ford doesn't put them in the F150 anymore.

The real reason is 84% of cars in the UK are manuals, is because the itty-bitty engines in 84% of those cars would lose too much power through an automatic.
 

Zenmervolt

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Egnine braking unless required (ie down montains) is for noobs.

Engineers put brakes on cars for a reason. Most experts would agree. Most internet e-penis types love to brage about engine braking.

Meh, coasting down while in gear saves gas. Better to shift smoothly down to 3rd and coast than to ride the brakes and then have to shift down to 3rd when you reach the slower traffic anyway IMO.

The transmission shouldn't be the primary means of bringing the car to a stop, but when all you're doing is trying to bleed 10-15 mph relatively slowly there's no reason not to engine brake.

ZV
 

exdeath

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Perfectly rev matched 4th-6th to 2nd gear down shift at 45 mph, closed throttle coast, and only using your brake for like the last 10 feet to come to a complete stop. Never gets old.
 

HAL9000

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Then you haven't driven the new 8-speed transmission in my car. It does a better job being in the perfect gear for maximum torque/acceleration no matter what speed or direction I'm going than the vast majority of humans out there ever could. Essentially, my car shifts as if I'm pumped full of adrenaline and shifting like mad despite both hands being on the wheel at all times.

Lots of things do a better job than I would, but that doesn't mean I want something else to do it for me, it feels like disappointment and a loss of control.
 

sdifox

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Lots of things do a better job than I would, but that doesn't mean I want something else to do it for me, it feels like disappointment and a loss of control.


99.99999% of the people on the planet drive because they have to.
 

sdifox

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As do I, I also eat because I have to but that doesn't mean I eat with a spoon because it's easier.


Sigh. if it is a chore, most people will pick the path of least resistance, in this case, auto tranny. It is simply the way things are. ZV already outlined the major differences in circumstances that led to the dominance of auto tranny in NA.