Originally posted by: Infohawk
Focus on the feeling you felt in your first post in this thread.
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:beer:Allow me to draw your attention to an important distinction: Abstinence education is not the same thing as abstinence ONLY education.
I think, for some people, abstinence is a good choice. It is certainly the safest option out there, and in some cases it may be the best choice. I join the people who say abstinence should be taught in high school and earlier. I simply think a complete sex-education would include more than that. Nowhere in those statistics did it say the "mainstream" disagrees with me on that point.
As a sidenote, does it matter how many people agree with you? Does that make you any less right? I'm not the kind of person who's going to change my mind based on what other people think unless they can give me a good reason to...are you? If so, that says something pretty sad about your views.
I think, for some people, abstinence is a good choice. It is certainly the safest option out there, and in some cases it may be the best choice. I join the people who say abstinence should be taught in high school and earlier. I simply think a complete sex-education would include more than that. Nowhere in those statistics did it say the "mainstream" disagrees with me on that point.
As a sidenote, does it matter how many people agree with you? Does that make you any less right? I'm not the kind of person who's going to change my mind based on what other people think unless they can give me a good reason to...are you? If so, that says something pretty sad about your views.
im all for teaching both, but some of it just goes too far. teaching elementary kids about masturbation? having 12yos rolling condoms on each others fingers? wtf is that about? no one ever taught me about that, or the people i went to school with, but somehow we figured it out. before we went to middle school, we watched a video on puberty and where babies come from. in high school we were taught full blown sex ed. seemed to work fine. i do not like the idea of some teacher telling my children those things, that is my job.
its funny to me that people want to harp on this subject of teaching these things in school at the same time bitching about parents shirking their responsibilities on teaching sex ed. couldnt it also be said that parents that want these things taught in school are also dodgin their responsibility by wanting the schools to teach something that should be taught at home? does no one else see the hypocrisy of complaining about the repubs trying to legislate morality, but its the same thing wanting to teach 8yos about sex? sex ed should be taught in schools, but there should be a line. again, who wants a teacher, basically a stranger, teaching their children about one of the potentially most important and dangerous decisions they could make in life?
this is a tough issue for me. its another instance where people, on both sides, want to focus on the most extreme and radical example, on skewed polls like the zogby poll in this thread, and push an agenda. both sides trying to push and legislate their morality on the other. there is a compromised, common sense line that offers both benefits without pushing an agenda. hopefully we as a society can get off of our high horses and find it.
its funny to me that people want to harp on this subject of teaching these things in school at the same time bitching about parents shirking their responsibilities on teaching sex ed. couldnt it also be said that parents that want these things taught in school are also dodgin their responsibility by wanting the schools to teach something that should be taught at home? does no one else see the hypocrisy of complaining about the repubs trying to legislate morality, but its the same thing wanting to teach 8yos about sex? sex ed should be taught in schools, but there should be a line. again, who wants a teacher, basically a stranger, teaching their children about one of the potentially most important and dangerous decisions they could make in life?
this is a tough issue for me. its another instance where people, on both sides, want to focus on the most extreme and radical example, on skewed polls like the zogby poll in this thread, and push an agenda. both sides trying to push and legislate their morality on the other. there is a compromised, common sense line that offers both benefits without pushing an agenda. hopefully we as a society can get off of our high horses and find it.
Originally posted by: Perknose
Rip reduced to calling his own damn self out?? :shocked:
Well, haven't seen him post since he owned himself.
I really admire a lot of things about america and americans; their sense of moral, their national courage, the strong economical position they have built up over time. but there is one thing that is - in my opinion- a big flaw in the american way of thinking: for some reason, your government (and appereantly a big part of the population) has a strong tendencies to see things how they want them to be, instead of how they really are. shure, it would be great if kids didn't start having sex until they can fully comprehend the consequences, but let's be realistic: they won't wait. remember when you were 16; there was only one thing one your mind, and it WASN'T school, god or anything else your parents wanted it to be.
get real. if there's one group of people that you can't get to practice abstinence, it's teens. the longer you keep up this ostrich-politics, the more kids will get STD's and unwanted pregnancies.
get real. if there's one group of people that you can't get to practice abstinence, it's teens. the longer you keep up this ostrich-politics, the more kids will get STD's and unwanted pregnancies.
Rip has continually argued against any forms of sex eduation, and in fact, favoring abstinence-only. The poll in AT is completely lopsided from that of what Rip claims.
I'd guess your way off base. Just because someone believes in god and goes to church doesn't make them a prude who thinks he/she can control teenagers hormones. I'd even go so far as to "guess" that the majority of the kids with parents who believe in abstinance are practicing some form of contraception and most of their parents don't even know about it.
All you commie/socialists think you are so smart, but look at your posterchildren countries. Soviet Union FAILED. Cuba is a FAILURE. N. Korea is a FAILURE. Europe is a FAILURE.
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I see... and Europe belongs on that list why?
And any of the other cuntries are held up as models by whom?
You need to take a time-out while you learn to think.
Well not that I'd say "Europe is a failure" but Germany w/ it's 11% unemployment rate is well into the worst economic depression they've seen since the 1930's and France is not far behind. The "35-hour work-week plan(fiasco!)" has proven to be a (predictable) failure and they'll be feeling the effects for at least the next decade. Wanna talk about the Netherlands? Yea, me neither. - Again, I'm not saying "Europe is a failure" but let's be honest, they haven't been playing it economically smart since the 1960's and the chickens are coming home to roost.
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There have however been some recent changes to some of their policies (eg 35-hour work weeks). And the unemployment rate is a very inaccurate measure of true unemployment, due to different counting systems, 'frustrated workers' who don't count, etc.
Lots of problems in Europe to be sure, but it doesn't belong on that list...
Their populations are shrinking at a tremendous rate, especially Germany's. That will help some with their unemployment problem.
you know, when us europeans hang out, drinking our fancy cappucino's, being all socialistic, we have a lot of fun imitating people like you. some of us don't believe americans like you actually exist, because it's just too far-fetched to be true.
and yes, we think we're smart. We also love to speak different languages and correct native speakers. it's posterCHILD countries by the way.
it's pretty funny to see that there really are people that believe that their little country is the only safe place on earth, and that the rest of the world is a dangerous, insane hellhole.
don't get me wrong, i love america. it's just a pitty it's seperated by a 3000 mile wide cornfield.
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What *I* want is for parents--particularly LAZY Conservative parents--to teach their own goddamn kids values and morals and leave the public education institutes to teach FACTS ONLY. Teaching them about STD's is fine but it is NOT the school's place to install any form of moral code into the kids. It's these same LAZY CONSERVATIVE parents who want to legislatively ban video games, movies, books, etc. that provide a view they disagree with.
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True. But socialist ideas such as inheritance taxes, medicade/medicare, anti-monopoly legislation, and social security have all been heralded in this country.
Sure socialism might have it's issues as an exclusive form of government but even your beloved anti-"commie" US has a good deal of socialist / progressive legislation.
Granted, Germany is having some rough times. but like other users pointed out, there are clear reasons and it's getting better as we speak. and as for the rest of us: i live in the netherlands, our economy is doing pretty well now, after a small dip in the early 2000's (like everywhere).
so Yea, i wanna talk about the netherlands. when we get run over by a car, doctors help us first, before checking our pockets for insurance cards. we don't make single mothers work 100 miles from home everyday. we don't have metal detectors in our schools, we don't have government ordered murders in prisons. what we do have however, are low criminality / murder rates, pretty good healthcare and one of the strongest trade markets in the world.
Unless something really miraculous happened in the past week then ?no?, it?s not ?getting better?.
The Netherlands is a beautiful country w/ a lot of beautiful people and you are correct that the economy is doing better but I was more referring to the social issues that have been rearing their ugly heads recently. Like euthanasia, rampant (and very public) racism against middle-easterners/immigrants by the Govt., etc..
In the US Federal Law dictates that it is illegal for any Hospital and/or health care organization to refuse emergency treatment for any human being regardless of financial disposition. That?s a fact.
uh, wha?
err, ok, ?got me on that one.
again, wha?
the US violent crime rate has been decreasing for a number of years and as for the rest, us too.
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