Why are so many dumping ati back to nvidia?

[Nintendesert]

It's just like when you buy a new car and then notice everyone else has one too. Everyone didn't juts up and go buy it when you did, you simply notice it now due to your changed perspective.

 

[Patrick Wolf]

If people have used both and simply "feel more comfortable" with nvidia but aren't sure why, well it's simple: Nvidia is better. Once nvidia gets it right with their hardware, it's pretty much a no brainer. Virtually everything from driver installation to non-gaming performance is better. At least it has been for me.

And whoever created CCC obviously hasn't heard of KISS. Keep it simple, stupid.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

I am only using my GTX 480 to run Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 (soon) CS5 uses the Mercury playback engine (MPE) to render large files like AVCHD, etc.

Most people will think this is a waist but when you compare it to a 1300$ Quadro card its a better buy.

 

[Face2Face]

How do you run 3 GTX 460's????

 

[MJinZ]

How do you run 3 GTX 460's????

Why not, is GTX 460 like triple slot or something?

My board can do 3x GTX 480s if I wanted.

 

[Grooveriding]

They're video cards...little plastic circuit boards...They are not baseball teams or something :hmm:

Also Nvidia cards actually work better with AMD CPUs than AMD's own cards do, because Nvidia's drivers are more efficient in CPU-limited situations.



I don't agree. Look at the frame rates of the various single-GPU cards at 19x12 here. Remember that most consider 60FPS the "sweet spot" for shooters:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3809/nvidias-geforce-gtx-460-the-200-king/12
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3809/nvidias-geforce-gtx-460-the-200-king/6

In Metro 2033, GTX 480 manages just 28 FPS:
http://www.techspot.com/review/299-palit-inno3d-geforce-gtx-460/page10.html

Of course, you could probably dial down the settings a notch or two and get almost the same visuals with much better FPS.. But there are plenty of games out already that can really push these GPUs, and more are coming.

Well yes, but for those 3 game exceptions you just use crossfire or SLI, so everything can be maxxed.

One could make the argument that there is no single gpu solution for 1920x1200 to max -everything- which is valid, but as it stands there are solutions that can run everything out there at max at 1920x1200.

As for more coming, there is nothing on the horizon coming unfortunately. Why, maybe due to consoles, maybe there are just no developers that care. Crysis was released three years ago, it's still the best.

Crysis 2 might change that, it will be DX11, when it comes out later this year we'll see. Other than that, there is nothing up and coming that looks to be any more demanding than a game released three years ago.

 

[netxzero64]

wait for Southern Islands =)

 

[edplayer]

but the 5770 is more mature and can be had used for a song.

all the used 5770 that I see are asking $130 or more. You can buy a new for about that (with bing cashback).

Though crossfire still is worth considering. From the little that I see about it, its comparable to a single 5870

 

[thilanliyan]

Why not, is GTX 460 like triple slot or something?

My board can do 3x GTX 480s if I wanted.

460s only have 1 sli finger each...can't run 3 of them.

 

[Xarick]

so does nvidia just make a better card?

 

[snarl]

Both ATI and NVidia make excellent Cards, I've had and been pleased with both. Currently I have an HD5870 and have no intention of moving to a GTX460 (Downgrade) as the 5870 rocks hard.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

so does nvidia just make a better card?

Yes. Don't forget better drivers, able to run 3d and physx, and better prices.

 

[MrK6]

Yes. Don't forget better drivers, able to run 3d and physx, and better prices.

Are those the cards that fail in two years because of the crap solder they use and are those the drivers that actively kill your card? After NVIDIA's track record, that's quite the cheeky statement.

I don't think a lot of folks are dumping AMD to go back to NVIDIA. On tech boards like this you have a microcosm of people who want the latest and greatest and are constantly updating their hardware, so yeah, they're going to jump on whatever is new. I also think there are a lot of people in the <$200 bracket who were looking to upgrade, so no matter what card they had they have a good part to upgrade to now as that bracket has been ignored for the last 18 months anyway.

wait for Southern Islands =)

Amen. Since I buy on the high end, this is what I'm looking forward too. Hopefully AMD delivers. :awe:

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I don't think a lot of folks are dumping AMD to go back to NVIDIA. On tech boards like this you have a microcosm of people who want the latest and greatest and are constantly updating their hardware

Yeah you're right. We want the latest and greatest. That's why we choose nvidia.

 

[3DVagabond]

^ Definately the latest. Six to nine months late, to be precise.

 

[ModestGamer]

all the used 5770 that I see are asking $130 or more. You can buy a new for about that (with bing cashback).

Though crossfire still is worth considering. From the little that I see about it, its comparable to a single 5870

if you OC the card the benchs get wierd. There been a few. Makes no sense. . but I have seen the xfx 5770 hd cars on ebay from 80-110 in completed auctions. People can ask $150+ all they want. but why pay they much when you can get new for $150-190 depending on the card.

 

[ModestGamer]

Both ATI and NVidia make excellent Cards, I've had and been pleased with both. Currently I have an HD5870 and have no intention of moving to a GTX460 (Downgrade) as the 5870 rocks hard.

well we think they make nice cards but it isn;t like there is alot of comparable manufacturers.

 

[Grooveriding]

Yeah you're right. We want the latest and greatest. That's why we choose nvidia.

Oh come on. For seven months from September of last year until the 470 & 480 released this year, ATI was the latest and greatest.

Even after 470/480 came out, ATI has still been doing great. It's only now that the 460 has come out for what, two weeks ? And that the 470 has come down in price that people are talking about nvidia.

Because NV filled an empty niche at the $200 price point with a good card, certainly does not make them the latest or greatest. They still have only two dominant points, fastest single gpu card with the 480, which is only noticeably faster than a 5870 in a few games, and good scaling with multi-card setups. From my experience, the only thing 480 offered over 5870 was much better scaling in SLI vs crossfire. A single 480 was not much different than a single 5870.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

I think OILFIELDTRASH has been possessed by Wreckage :awe:

Why would anyone change cards in the same generation? And specially one where they offer similar performance? Probably just enthusiasts who love trying new stuff, thats about it

 

[Cerb]

And whoever created CCC obviously hasn't heard of KISS. Keep it simple, stupid.

There are a lot of things whoever created CCC hasn't heard of...if there is one sore point for AMD's drivers, it's sticking with CCC; instead of reading some UI books, and then implementing code auditing and user testing from the beginning, with a fresh code base.

wait for Southern Islands =)

Depending on hardware, that's a really good option. Most people doing sidegrades would be better served by waiting for that. In the worst case, they will get a cheaper nVidia card. Only those of us with crap should be considering a current Fermi seriously (and knowing/hoping very well that with minor tweaks, nV will have 20-30&#37; faster GF104 cards out at similar prices in not too long).

 

[ZimZum]

Why would anyone go from a 5850 to a 460 ? At best thats a sidegrade.

 

[Voo]

Actually I don't see lots of people making sidegrades - why would anyone bother swapping a 5850 for a 460? - but enough people recommending a 460 or buying one to replace their last gen cards.

And the reason for that, really should be obvious: Nvidia finally managed to produce a good card, at a reasonable pricepoint that can be sold without having to mention stuff like cuda or physix. Against a 5850 at 290$ or a 5830 at 200, that's just the better deal.. no secret plan or anything involved.

 

[SergeC]

If I had the cash, I'd dump this 5870 in a heartbeat for a new NV card.

 

[Mistwalker]

so does nvidia just make a better card?

Why are you making this about ATI vs. Nvidia?

Despite the lines drawn on this forum, people by and large just want good value. For a long time ATI offered this, Nvidia had no good price/performance response, and so everyone cheered ATI.

Now the 460 is out and is arguably the best bang for your buck in the entire lineup, and at the same time is bringing into focus how long the 58xx series has remained above original MSRP with no competition to bring it down to "normal".

Basically the mass movement to buy 460s has little to do with nVidia or ATI. It has to do with the best overall value card being the 460 right now. Tomorrow ATI could clash prices and the best value would be the 5850 again.

In short: has little to do with making a better card, but offering performance at a reasonable price. For all the fanboyism talk thrown around here, I'd like to think that's what we as consumers are most interested in.

 

[MagickMan]

Why would anyone go from a 5850 to a 460 ? At best thats a sidegrade.

It's a downgrade, even when OCed.


I'm still destroying anything I play with my 5850 CF and can't imagine upgrading for a couple years. Hell, it's not like games are really pushing the market anymore.