Why are Smart TV's so damn slow?

Hulk

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I don't get it. No power or thermal envelope to really worry about and all they have to do is load a small application. My Roku 3 is faster loading apps than the LG or Samsung TV's I own. I mean really how much can these little CPU's add to the cost? What, would it take another $10 to make the apps load really fast?
 

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I only use Netflix and occasionally YouTube on my Samsung, I don't find it to the too slow to use. For YouTube I just browse on my phone or tablet and then send it to the TV. It works fine for what it is. At some point I do want to get something like a Roku.
 

Jeff7

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Best guess: They're trying to keep the cost down on a consumer-level device.

They won't always look for speed. The manufacturer will be looking to meet the lowest price point on components, and that means giving the customer the longest wait time they'll be willing to tolerate.


Some manufacturers place more priority on the customer's experience than others do.
 

Hulk

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It's the same slow ass crappy development cycle we have to tolerate on all new devices. 1st generation is slow as hell and we just have to be happy it works at all. Then when just being "Smart" isn't enough they'll start to advertise speed. Then when enough people read various online consumer reviews and gravitate to the faster/better models all of the manufacturers will get them to where they should have been 5 years ago.

Rant over!
 

truckerCLOCK

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Because TV's should be used for watching TV...period. I want my TV as dumb as possible. No installed apps, No WiFi, nothing.
 

Zodiark1593

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Goddamn, Raspberry Pi with Kodi is a superior experience than many of the smart tvs I've used. Heck, I'd wager smart tv chips are probably using ARM11 processors with extra video decoding hardware, slow user experience, but barely gets the job done.
 

BarkingGhostar

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I'm using an HP Stream Mini. I prefer having the ability to use Ublock in web browsers as it removes 99.9% of the advertising--and makes places like YouTube much more tolerable.

My wife loves this filtration method, too, when on the yellow journalism websites like CNN and DailyMail.
 

Nashemon

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I bought a $3600 Samsung TV (didn't pay that much, though), and used the Smart functions a total of 2 times when I first got it, then bought an Apple TV so I didn't have to use it anymore. I don't mind using the Apple TV instead, other than it does suck that the resale value of the TV will likely be crap since the Smart tech is so primitive compared to today and the future.
 

Hulk

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I have two daughters who watch Netflix and YouTube pretty much 95% of the time if they are looking at a TV. Roku is nice but it's "cleaner" to have it all built into the TV.
 
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poofyhairguy

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It's the same slow ass crappy development cycle we have to tolerate on all new devices. 1st generation is slow as hell and we just have to be happy it works at all. Then when just being "Smart" isn't enough they'll start to advertise speed. Then when enough people read various online consumer reviews and gravitate to the faster/better models all of the manufacturers will get them to where they should have been 5 years ago.

Seems like you know why things are what they are! What I would add is these TV divisions are NOT traditional tech companies like an Android phone division. They have year-long cycles with incremental upgrades year to year. Something like Moore's Law is completely off their map, they are closer to appliance sales where little changes over time.

I have two smart TVs myself, but I often recommend people DON'T get them and invest in Rokus instead for that reason. My oldest smart TV came out when the Roku 1 was still king, but unlike the TV's smart guts I can easily upgrade the Roku. For that ST50 I now use the Blu Ray player's smart functions rather than the TVs because the performance was so poor. The ST60, released just a year later, is much better.

What annoys me more than device speed is the fact that some smart devices can't access some streaming services. Almost anything gets Netflix, but if you need say Amazon Prime streaming it's a crapshoot. The other issue is that not all smart devices can easily update their apps for each service, so on some devices even the same service like Netflix has a MUCH MUCH better GUI. That is beyond TVs, the Netflix app on a new Roku is so much better than the one on the AppleTV it isn't funny. I am to the point where I have a lot of smart devices hooked into a smart TV and I my wife has to chose the option that is the best for that service.

The honest truth is all this smart/roku/streaming stuff is a mess, a bunch of different companies going in many directions with few standards. We have gotten spoiled by things like Spotify on the music side, but for video content it looks to remain a mix of walled gardens for a while with varying quality per device. It is part of the reason I don't trust steaming as our primary consumption option, as my mediaserver filled with local content combined with my Kodi clients gives her a top shelf and consistent experience anytime. It is like music in the Winamp days, if you want a great experience you have to make it yourself.

Video companies learned how hard it is to put the horse back in the barn when you go the Spotify route, so they will make it a pain for as long as they can to maximize revenues.
 

us3rnotfound

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I use smart Apps on my PS3 (original model). That thing kicks the pants off of any Smart TV I've ever used.
 

npaladin-2000

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SmartTVs just aren't gaining traction the way streamer boxes have. Besides, a streamer box is easier to update, and generally can do more than any SmartTV itself, even the ones running Roku or AndroidTV directly are running them on weaker hardware than a Roku3 or a SHIELD AndroidTV.
 

cmdrdredd

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I have a Sony 55" W900A in the game room and it's slow as can be. I never use it for the apps. I use my Xbox One for that since it's a lot smoother. Occasionally I'll use my PC for media. Even my Blu-Ray player has media apps that are faster than my TV. What's worse is Sony decided that when you use netflix from the TV app you don't need to change the picture settings. So you cannot calibrate a TV and then use the Netflix app from it. It will be set to some standard settings that are both too bright and has off color. It won't let you make adjustments which is just stupid to say the least. So you are forced to use a separate box of some kind because you can calibrate for a specific HDMI input. I started putting some movies on a NAS box and only my PC can read some of them properly. The Xbox will see them but a few of them won't play properly because of the way the subtitles are coded with the .mkv on my anime and a few of my Blu-Ray rips don't play either. The TV? Forget it for that use.

Anyway the TV is slow and limited. I don't really see that changing until they incorporate something like a FireTV or Nvidia Shield into the set.
 
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SlickSnake

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Often smart TVs are usually slower in motion rendering, too, than a comparable dumbed down TV that is stripped of added features will be.
 

NutBucket

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I bought a $3600 Samsung TV (didn't pay that much, though), and used the Smart functions a total of 2 times when I first got it, then bought an Apple TV so I didn't have to use it anymore. I don't mind using the Apple TV instead, other than it does suck that the resale value of the TV will likely be crap since the Smart tech is so primitive compared to today and the future.
The resale value of your TV is terrible regardless....because its a TV!
 

Zor Prime

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I recently got a TV for the bedroom. I've got a Panny plasma for the living room which I love but I just wanted something for the bedroom.

I was walking through Best Buy checking out the open box deals etc.

I found a SHARP 50" Roku TV and played around with it.

Love the simple remote, love the functionality, the responsiveness of the menu etc. Just feels polished.

Installed the Plex app and haven't looked back.

The screen is only 60Hz but I don't give a damn.

After tax and such like $404 total I think I spent on it.

I love the thing so far. =)
 

JeffMD

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%99 of smart TVs just want a large feature set, could care less how well it actually works. So they pretty much look for which ever chip maker is selling a SoC with the largest feature set without caring about performance. Unfortunately these things are running a user interface, even an OS, so they still need a fast GPU and a fast CPU for things to go smoothly.
 

RossMAN

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I have to admit our Sony 55" LED has a decent Netflix interface but I still prefer Tivo Roamio or Roku 3.

That being said we rarely venture into the 'smart TV" features, Tivo Roamio does the rest.
 

Thump553

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I have to admit I thought the future of Roku, etc. was similar to that of gps manufacturers (and calculator manufacturers before them) before I got a supposedly smart tv. As far as I'm concerned the "smart" aspects of my tv are so slow and the operating system is so painfully obtuse that I use them only on rare occasions.
 

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I use smart Apps on my PS3 (original model). That thing kicks the pants off of any Smart TV I've ever used.

I recently upgraded my first-gen PS3 to a PS3 Slim that I got for $100 at a pawnshop. The difference in noise/heat output is night and day. The newer one is in the same enclosed cabinet (heat can vent out the top and flow in the bottom) but I never hear the fan come on. With the 1st gen, the fan would come on for Netflix, Blu-Ray, practically anything.

And yeah, smart TV's suck except for the ones with actual Roku's built into them.
 
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HeXen

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I don't get it. No power or thermal envelope to really worry about and all they have to do is load a small application. My Roku 3 is faster loading apps than the LG or Samsung TV's I own. I mean really how much can these little CPU's add to the cost? What, would it take another $10 to make the apps load really fast?

So you have a Roku 3 but yet complain that it's faster than your TV's? ...Maybe just use your Roku 3?
Don't spend more for Smart TV's, streaming boxes are always better
http://www.cnet.com/news/smart-tv-or-media-streamer/
Generally speaking, a smart TV costs about $100, or around £80, more than a "dumb" TV. The better media streamers cost about the same.