Why are republicans now intent on killing the Reconciliation bill?

[GuitarDaddy]

I understand the republicans oppose anything and everything healthcare reform related, but what do they gain by trying to kill the Senate reconciliation bill of house fixes?

They act as if its a second chance to kill the healthcare reform bill, which it is not. Even if they are sucessful in killing or forcing changes to the reconciliation fixes, they are stuck with the bill as passed by the house including the deals they claim to hate so much.

Once again this appears to be a completely politically motivated move, it seems the republicans would gladly accept a worse version of the bill for americans if it created political fallout for the dems.

Is a political victory more important for the repubs than trying to make the bill better for the american people? Or are they truly deluded enought to think they can reverse the entire process?

 

[Genx87]

I love these faux outrage posts. Where were you when Dems submarined SS reform? I am sure you were just outraged at the party of "no" back then.

 

[ProfJohn]

Is a political victory more important for the Dems than trying to make the bill better for the american people?

Fixed.


After the Scott Brown victory the bill should have been completely thrown away and then the Democrats and Republicans should have worked together on smaller bills that addressed smaller parts of our healthcare problem and passed them.

Instead the Democrats were so focused on passing anything that they gave the American people a crappy ass bill that will turn into a disaster IF it ever goes into effect.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

It's just posturing for when campaign time rolls around and they can brag about how obstructionist they are. Grandstand, Oppose, Pretend.

 

[xj0hnx]

Fixed.


After the Scott Brown victory the bill should have been completely thrown away and then the Democrats and Republicans should have worked together on smaller bills that addressed smaller parts of our healthcare problem and passed them.

Instead the Democrats were so focused on passing anything that they gave the American people a crappy ass bill that will turn into a disaster IF it ever goes into effect.

But hey they finally get to say they "did something". Doesn't matter if the cost shifting something they did is going to sink the economy, and effect every single American.

 

[ericlp]

repubs have FAILED at everything else... They are just dieing to get a win even if it's bad for the nation and hurts it's citizens.

Repugs are like a basketball team (a fucked up one mind you) on a losing streak and they will do ANYTHING for a win.

I don't see how anyone (except maybe the mentally insane) could ever vote republican they are just a disgrace and slap in the face to every citizen in the USA.

 

[2Xtreme21]

Fixed.


After the Scott Brown victory the bill should have been completely thrown away and then the Democrats and Republicans should have worked together on smaller bills that addressed smaller parts of our healthcare problem and passed them.

Instead the Democrats were so focused on passing anything that they gave the American people a crappy ass bill that will turn into a disaster IF it ever goes into effect.

Oh STFU. They could have put in a provision that gave every Republican blowjobs by Megan Fox for life and they'd still try to railroad it. To quote a digg comment:

Democrats: "We need health care reform"
Republicans: "Liberal fascists! Give us a majority and we'll do it better"
Democrats: "Done, you have majority of both houses"

12 years later, health care is irrefutably worse in every respect for every single person in the United States

Democrats: "We need health care reform"
Republicans: "Liberal fascists! Americans are tired of partisan politics!"
Democrats: "OK, let's compromise"
Republicans: "OK, get rid of half your ideas"
Democrats: "Done"
Republicans: "Too liberal, get rid of half your ideas"
Democrats: "Done"
Republicans: "Too liberal, get rid of half your ideas"
Democrats: "Done"
Republicans: "Too liberal, get rid of half your ideas"
Democrats: "Done"
Republicans: "Too liberal, get rid of half your ideas"
Democrats: "Done. Time to end debate"
Republicans: "Too liberal, we need more debate, we will filibuster to prevent you from voting"
Democrats: "OK, we'll vote--sorry guys, debate is ended. It's time to vote on the bill"
Republicans: "Too liberal, we vote no"
Democrats: "OK, it passed anyway--sorry guys."

One month later

Republicans: "Wait--wait, OK, we have less of a minority now so we can filibuster forever."
Democrats: "Sorry, the bill already passed, we need it to pass the House now"
Republicans: "But we have enough to filibuster"
Democrats: "Sorry, the bill already passed, we need it to pass the House now"
Republicans: "Liberal fascists! You haven't listened to our ideas! You've shut us out of this whole process!"
Democrats: "Sorry, show us your proposal"
Republicans: "Smaller government"
Democrats: "That's not very specific"
Republicans: "OK, here's our detailed proposal--It's our common-sense ideas we spent 12 years not enacting"
Democrats: "OK, we'll add a bunch more of your ideas"
Republicans: "Liberal fascists! You included all these back-room deals"
Democrats: "OK, we'll get rid of the back-room deals"
Republicans: "Liberal fascists! You're using obscure procedural tricks to eliminate the back-room deals!"
Democrats: "No, we're using reconciliation, which both parties have used dozens of times for much larger bills"
Republicans: "Liberal fascists! You're pressuring Congressmen to vote for your bill! Scandal!"
Democrats: "It's called 'whipping', it's been done since 1789"
Republicans: "Liberal fascists! Can't you see the American people don't want this?"
Democrats: "This bill is mildly unpopular (40-50%), doing nothing (your proposal) is extraordinarily unpopular (4-6%)"
Republicans: "We need to start over! We need to start over!"
Democrats: "We should really consider voting--"
Republicans: "Liberal fascists! Start over! Clean slate! Common-sense! America!"

 

[xj0hnx]

dems have FAILED at everything else... They are just dieing to get a win even if it's bad for the nation and hurts it's citizens.

Dems are like a basketball team (a fucked up one mind you) on a losing streak and they will do ANYTHING for a win.

Congratulations, you just described the democrats and this monstrosity of a "health care" insurance bill.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's an asshole who pisses in people's corn flakes. Republicans since their election defeat have become girly boys with shrunken nuts that just got them kicked flat by a woman named Nancy Pelosi. They are looking for their angry male god and his sword of vengeance like the peanut fuck heads that they are. You don't want to try to apply logic to what motivates them unless you are expert also in swinging from trees.

 

[MotF Bane]

To quote a digg comment:

That's about as idiotic as it gets.

 

[ericlp]

Congratulations, you just described the democrats and this monstrosity of a "health care" insurance bill.

Thanks... as I am optimistic about it, at least it's change. Maybe a change for the better?

Time will tell, but it better then DOING nothing like uncle Bush did for last 8 years. This is Why I will vote for Obama for another 4 years in 2012. More change the better.

I think we are on the right path. Hopefully it will lead to universal health care for all one day.

 

[rudder]

Could it be that they would like to be re-elected? Despite your giddiness... most Americans do not want the reforms that this healthcare bill brings to the table.

 

[her209]

I have to wonder if it was politically smart for the Republicans to try and amend stronger abortion language to the "fixes" bill. Reason being, presumably that would only affect Stupak and the other 6 or so holdouts. Meanwhile, it forces the pro-choice Republicans to vote against their beliefs.

 

[obamanation]

The point is to stick it to the dems that voted for this travesty of a bill. This country is going to fall apart unless something is done to step in and stop this entitlement shit from getting the best of everyone.

 

[spidey07]

They are simply doing the will of the people and their constituents.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

The point is to stick it to the dems that voted for this travesty of a bill. This country is going to fall apart unless something is done to step in and stop this entitlement shit from getting the best of everyone.

Congratulations, with your screename and first post you have captured the essense of the abject ignorance and futility of the republican argument.

 

[ericlp]

The point is to stick it to the dems that voted for this travesty of a bill. This country is going to fall apart unless something is done to step in and stop this entitlement shit from getting the best of everyone.

Ya know I thought Bush was going to run this country into the ground with all his war machines and big business and tax cuts for the rich deals.

Tho the country is still around. I don't think it's going to fall apart any time soon... Tho that's just my opinion. At least we are spending the money on our citizens.

 

[Carmen813]

Well, I suppose because the reconciliation bill includes the student loan reform. That is a legit conservative reason to oppose it.

However my suspicion is that Republicans would like the backroom days to stay law in order to benefit themselves politically. I could see that backfiring badly though.

 

[cubeless]

I have to wonder if it was politically smart for the Republicans to try and amend stronger abortion language to the "fixes" bill. Reason being, presumably that would only affect Stupak and the other 6 or so holdouts. Meanwhile, it forces the pro-choice Republicans to vote against their beliefs.

but they are supposed to vote the belief of their constituents...

 

[GuitarDaddy]

They are simply doing the will of the people and their constituents.

I'm sure the "will of the people" is served well by this infintile and useless exercise in circular masturbation

 

[zsdersw]

Fixed.

No, both his (and your) versions were correct. Neither side is doing it "for the benefit of the American people". It is always for political gain.

 

[Harvey]

The point is to stick it to the dems that voted for this travesty of a bill. This country is going to fall apart unless something is done to step in and stop this entitlement shit from getting the best of everyone.

Congratulations, with your screename and first post you have captured the essense of the abject ignorance and futility of the republican argument.

+1 :thumbsup:

He's just pissed because the bill won't fund treatment for his terminal stupidity.

 

[rudder]

but they are supposed to vote the belief of their constituents...

If this is were the case, we would not need congress and the populace could vote on legislation. Legislators should vote for what is right for the constituents and for the American people. Sometimes this will go against the wishes of the people who elected them. More often then not, they vote the way it will benefit their portfolios.

When it involves something this monumental, they can and do listen to the ones who voted them in and who will potentially be voting them out of office the next election cycle.

 

[ProfJohn]

I understand the republicans oppose anything and everything healthcare reform related, but what do they gain by trying to kill the Senate reconciliation bill of house fixes?

They act as if its a second chance to kill the healthcare reform bill, which it is not. Even if they are sucessful in killing or forcing changes to the reconciliation fixes, they are stuck with the bill as passed by the house including the deals they claim to hate so much.

Once again this appears to be a completely politically motivated move, it seems the republicans would gladly accept a worse version of the bill for americans if it created political fallout for the dems.

Is a political victory more important for the repubs than trying to make the bill better for the american people? Or are they truly deluded enought to think they can reverse the entire process?

Actually, you have it completely backwards.


The Republicans are trying to stop this bill using a point of order. They are going to object that the bill breaks a basic rule of the Senate and thus can not be allowed to go forward.

If they win it means that the Democrats tried to circumvent the rules to gain passage of this bill. Which then makes the question:

Why are Democrats willing to break the rules to get a bill passed?

 

[2Xtreme21]

Actually, you have it completely backwards.


The Republicans are trying to stop this bill using a point of order. They are going to object that the bill breaks a basic rule of the Senate and thus can not be allowed to go forward.

If they win it means that the Democrats tried to circumvent the rules to gain passage of this bill. Which then makes the question:

Why are Democrats willing to break the rules to get a bill passed?

All the Dems need to do then is show the countless times the Republicans have used underhanded tactics to get their agenda pushed through. Good luck playing the "bu-bu-bu-bu-we're perfect!!!" card.