Why are republicans now intent on killing the Reconciliation bill?

[AzureNightmareX1]

I love how the resident nutcases are trying to pretend there's this huge groundswell of opposition.

Wrong.

But nice try. Maybe if you believe it enough, it will happen right? Like the second coming. Oh.. oh wait, sorry.

try not sticking your head in the sand. it works better for observing your surroundings and finding out what's going on.

 

[umbrella39]

I love how the resident nutcases are trying to pretend there's this huge groundswell of opposition.

Wrong.

This indeed. There really isn't, only the usual people who get up in arms about everything they are told to be pissed off at or afraid of by the GOP. Same shit, different day.

 

[Harvey]

Health care is not essential to life. It did not stop the Native Americans.

Is that ignorance, stupidity or just blatant bigotry speaking? D:

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Health care is not essential to life. It did not stop the Native Americans.

Yes, I think we still have a few of those rare creatures pinned up on a reservation somewhere. Although I believe the vast majority of them died from ambush or lack of health insurance I can't remember which

 

[Farang]

You can be sure that when Republicans successfully poke a hole in the bill and force it back to the House, the public option will be back on the table. Really there is no reason for it not to be. The only reason Democratic members are not putting it in the bill is to avoid sending it back to the House.

Ironic that the Republicans will be the ones delivering us the public option.

 

[JohnnyGage]

Yes, I think we still have a few of those rare creatures pinned up on a reservation somewhere. Although I believe the vast majority of them died from ambush or lack of health insurance I can't remember which

...or screwed over by the US govt....oh wait....

 

[Kirby]

until we came with blankets... then how did it work out for them?

if we ban blankets, only criminals will have blankets! D:

 

[Lemon law]

We need to go back to the original thread question, why does the GOP intend to kill the reconciliation bill?

And the answer is that its now all the GOP knows how to do. They do not stand for anything except saying no, no, and no to all change.

GWB&co proved the GOP is incapable of governing, they got everything they had been bellyaching for by 2006, rolling back common sense reforms in place for almost a century, and it damn near melted down the US economy in 2008 while making the lot worse for the Average American all eight years.

By 11/2006, the American electorate dismantled the GOP congressional majority, and gave the GOP another dope slap in 11/2008, and now the GOP thinks it will be rewarded by the American electorate for the same behavior.

The worse thing that could happen to the GOP and America itself would be to have the GOP get into a congressional majority. Because the GOP has zero understanding about how to govern. And in 2 years they would have everything screwed up again, and it would be the end of the GOP by next election cycle.

All the GOP rational elder statesmen are out of power, only Dick Lugar remains. Gone are people like Warner of Virginia, Lincoln Chafee, Bob Dole, Demedici, in short the people who could rebuild the GOP. And all that is left are Limbaugh, Palin, McConnel, Boehner, Rove, and Gingrich who could not collectively reason their way out of a paper bag. The GOP understands power but not people, or how to govern.

Maybe best shown in the last 2 years of the GWB&co. Even then, the GOP was taking delight in saying no no no to what the American people voted for in 11/2006, and many on Anand tech, and were calling Reid and Pelosi feckless because they refused to take the GOP bait and shut down the government like Gingrich did in 1998. For the good of the country Reid and Pelosi did not while minimizing the damage GWB could do, and that patience paid off in 11/2008.

And here we are now in 2010, the GOP has delayed health care reform for six months or so, but I think overall the people will be pleased. But with so many other issues to address, will the GOP just continue to be the party of no to anything the democrats wants and nothing else?

As Lee used to put it, the GOP can't lead, can't follow, and can't get out of the way. That is what has happened to a formerly principled party.

 

[lupi]

Originally Posted by Harvey
blah blah blah

and yet how much did those members, several of whom were skilled slightly more at being a doctor than yourself, who created those documents direct the government to provide in this area?

duck and weave.

 

[lupi]

You tell em Harvey :thumbsup:

And what continues to baffle me is that the vast majority of those here who support the current for profit model, and scream "free trade", "no government intervention" etc... etc... are the most vunerable. They are one catastrophe from a medical bancruptcy and they just believe it can't happen to them.

They naively think bad things don't happen to good people, and when it does they try and explain it away with "bad lifestyle choices". They must be fatasses or drugies or chain smokers

perhaps because there isn't a for pay model when run by the government that hasn't been ruined yet.

 

[werepossum]

I can't speak for others, but for me, I supported reform -- just not this turd that was passed. You just handed over 30 million new customers to the insurance companies, the same greedy insurance companies you, Harvey, and others of your ilk complained endlessly about. Explain this to me, please.

Joe Biden said it best - We're going to control the insurance companies. The "death panels" aren't about deciding individual health care. The government has little concept and no concern for the individual. Instead they are about controlling insurance companies, deciding what they must do, what they cannot do, what they must pay for, what they can charge. This is why even the most foamy Marxists weren't seriously pushing a single payer system. Once the evil insurance companies have been bled dry, they can move on to the next evil private industry. The insurance companies know this, of course, but they also know they have several years to step up purchases of critical supplies like Congressmen and Senators. They may well turn this thing into a net positive for themselves.

 

[Darwin333]

I understand the republicans oppose anything and everything healthcare reform related, but what do they gain by trying to kill the Senate reconciliation bill of house fixes?

They act as if its a second chance to kill the healthcare reform bill, which it is not. Even if they are sucessful in killing or forcing changes to the reconciliation fixes, they are stuck with the bill as passed by the house including the deals they claim to hate so much.

Once again this appears to be a completely politically motivated move, it seems the republicans would gladly accept a worse version of the bill for americans if it created political fallout for the dems.

Is a political victory more important for the repubs than trying to make the bill better for the american people? Or are they truly deluded enought to think they can reverse the entire process?

Such is our politics, it sucks doesn't it?

The Republicans are perfectly willing to block even good legislation for purely political reasons (like they just tried/are trying). The Democrats are perfectly willing to pass bad legislation for purely political reasons (like they just did). Both sides are perfectly willing to swap places if the situation deems it.

I have lost all hope that it will ever change. In the last decade we have the Republicans spending like drunken sailors and vastly expanding entitlement programs while paying for neither and Democrats being bought and paid for by banksters, big Pharma, and health insurance companies. The irony would be amusing if we weren't all getting gangraped in the process.

 

[Circlenaut]

Oh STFU. They could have put in a provision that gave every Republican blowjobs by Megan Fox for life and they'd still try to railroad it. To quote a digg comment:

Rofl I couldn't agree more.