Why are people so angry about Iraq?

[AFB]

Didn't we win? Even Bush said so himself.

 

[glenn1]

Why are people so angry about Iraq?

Which "people" are you referring to? If you mean the Europeans, it's because they're pacifistic, were being enriched by the prior status quo (the oil for food corruption), fear American hegemony and military power, and have a different instinct about what acts reasonable accomodations and which constitute appeasement.

If you mean Americans, some of it is straight partisanship (they don't like it because a Republican is doing it), some of it is naivety, some of it is pacifism, some of it is a legitimate but IMHO misguided POV that Iraq and Afghanistan cannot possibly be handled at the same time, and some have the incorrect POV that we have to "address root causes" and believing that means that Iraq is a strategic mistake.

 

[Drift3r]

"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies... those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." (C.S. Lewis)

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies... those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." (C.S. Lewis)

Sig material!! I might just use that. Thanks!

 

[BBond]

Why are people so angry about Iraq?

Because a dullard whose only idea of responsibility has been coasting on the family name has embroiled our nation in a needless, baseless, unprovoked fiasco for which there is no feasible resolution.

And Americans on the whole are too incredibly stupid to hold him accountable.

 

[Vic]

"We shall be tolerant, because this nation [the United States] does not seek to impose our way of life on others." -- President Eisenhower at the Geneva Convention, July 1956

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Why are people so angry about Iraq?

Which "people" are you referring to? If you mean the Europeans, it's because they're pacifistic, were being enriched by the prior status quo (the oil for food corruption), fear American hegemony and military power, and have a different instinct about what acts reasonable accomodations and which constitute appeasement.

If you mean Americans, some of it is straight partisanship (they don't like it because a Republican is doing it), some of it is naivety, some of it is pacifism, some of it is a legitimate but IMHO misguided POV that Iraq and Afghanistan cannot possibly be handled at the same time, and some have the incorrect POV that we have to "address root causes" and believing that means that Iraq is a strategic mistake.

Out of 1000 countries, 33 wanted Bush to be re-elected. That tells you something.

But your thinking is totally warped. Americans are anrgy over iraq for one Primary reason:
WMD
Bush LIED. PERIOD.

Also, Saddam harbors terrorists. FALSE. Antoher LIE!

We were broguht into this war based on LIES. That's why people are pissed.

And to raise a third point, OSB went to the Saudi gov't when RIaq invaded Iran and he wanted to be funded to fight hte iraqi's off. OSB DOES NOT LIKE Saddam. A third Bush Lie!

The war is based on lies, manipulation, psycoligoical warfare and plain bullshit pressed upon the average American by a gov't totally full of cr@p.

 

[Megamorph]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Why are people so angry about Iraq?

Which "people" are you referring to? If you mean the Europeans, it's because they're pacifistic, were being enriched by the prior status quo (the oil for food corruption), fear American hegemony and military power, and have a different instinct about what acts reasonable accomodations and which constitute appeasement.

If you mean Americans, some of it is straight partisanship (they don't like it because a Republican is doing it), some of it is naivety, some of it is pacifism, some of it is a legitimate but IMHO misguided POV that Iraq and Afghanistan cannot possibly be handled at the same time, and some have the incorrect POV that we have to "address root causes" and believing that means that Iraq is a strategic mistake.

Good analysis. Very accurate.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Megamorph

Originally posted by: glenn1

Why are people so angry about Iraq?

Which "people" are you referring to? If you mean the Europeans, it's because they're pacifistic, were being enriched by the prior status quo (the oil for food corruption), fear American hegemony and military power, and have a different instinct about what acts reasonable accomodations and which constitute appeasement.

If you mean Americans, some of it is straight partisanship (they don't like it because a Republican is doing it), some of it is naivety, some of it is pacifism, some of it is a legitimate but IMHO misguided POV that Iraq and Afghanistan cannot possibly be handled at the same time, and some have the incorrect POV that we have to "address root causes" and believing that means that Iraq is a strategic mistake.

Good analysis. Very accurate.

Really, I would prefer to hear people's reasons who actually are angry. I get the feeling that by having others down pat, glenn1 wishes to protect himself from a need to take them seriously.

I am angry because the pig swine Bush has turned my nation into a nation of murdering thugs and disgusting cowardly animals who have slimed everything Eisenhour spoke of in vic's quote above, and our children will pay a steep price as revenge. He did it by playing on your fear of terrorism. We have become a nation with a voting majority of barbarians who care nothing at all for justice and respect for law if their sleep is disturbed. In the name of values we elected a moral leper and we did it out of the leprosy with which we have become infected.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Megamorph

Originally posted by: glenn1

Why are people so angry about Iraq?

Which "people" are you referring to? If you mean the Europeans, it's because they're pacifistic, were being enriched by the prior status quo (the oil for food corruption), fear American hegemony and military power, and have a different instinct about what acts reasonable accomodations and which constitute appeasement.

If you mean Americans, some of it is straight partisanship (they don't like it because a Republican is doing it), some of it is naivety, some of it is pacifism, some of it is a legitimate but IMHO misguided POV that Iraq and Afghanistan cannot possibly be handled at the same time, and some have the incorrect POV that we have to "address root causes" and believing that means that Iraq is a strategic mistake.

Good analysis. Very accurate.

Really, I would prefer to hear people's reasons who actually are angry. I get the feeling that by having others down pat, glenn1 wishes to protect himself from a need to take them seriously.

I am angry because the pig swine Bush has turned my nation into a nation of murdering thugs and disgusting cowardly animals who have slimed everything Eisenhour spoke of in vic's quote above, and our children will pay a steep price as revenge. He did it by playing on your fear of terrorism. We have become a nation with a voting majority of barbarians who care nothing at all for justice and respect for law if their sleep is disturbed. In the name of values we elected a moral leper and we did it out of the leprosy with which we have become infected.

This rant brought to you by the straight partisanship (or maybe more properly - straight anti-partisanship) reason cited previously by glenn1.

 

[daveshel]

Because we'll paying for this war forever, and we have gained nothing from it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Because we don't like being misled into supporting an ill advised and ill planned invasion and occupation.

 

[Riprorin]

Why were the Liberals angry that we didn't unilaterally freeze our nuclear weapons programs? Why were the angry that we supported the freedom fighters in Nicaragua? Why were they angry that we fought the first Gulf War.

Liberals have consistently been on the wrong side if history. I chalk it up to ignorance and naivete.

 

[GroundedSailor]

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
-H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)

 

[Tarpon6]

Why do we need 50 angry about Iraq threads? Theres 3 others right on the first page. These liberal threads never get locked, no matter how many say the exact same thing.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Why were the Liberals angry that we didn't unilaterally freeze our nuclear weapons programs? Why were the angry that we supported the freedom fighters in Nicaragua? Why were they angry that we fought the first Gulf War.

Liberals have consistently been on the wrong side if history. I chalk it up to ignorance and naivete.

Yeah you can keep repeating that over and over until you feel better. Funny how brave conservative patriots like Riprorin aren't in Iraq fighting, instead they are at anandtech.com telling everyone how stupid and weak they are for not supporting a war in Iraq.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Megamorph

Originally posted by: glenn1

Why are people so angry about Iraq?

Which "people" are you referring to? If you mean the Europeans, it's because they're pacifistic, were being enriched by the prior status quo (the oil for food corruption), fear American hegemony and military power, and have a different instinct about what acts reasonable accomodations and which constitute appeasement.

If you mean Americans, some of it is straight partisanship (they don't like it because a Republican is doing it), some of it is naivety, some of it is pacifism, some of it is a legitimate but IMHO misguided POV that Iraq and Afghanistan cannot possibly be handled at the same time, and some have the incorrect POV that we have to "address root causes" and believing that means that Iraq is a strategic mistake.

Good analysis. Very accurate.

Really, I would prefer to hear people's reasons who actually are angry. I get the feeling that by having others down pat, glenn1 wishes to protect himself from a need to take them seriously.

I am angry because the pig swine Bush has turned my nation into a nation of murdering thugs and disgusting cowardly animals who have slimed everything Eisenhour spoke of in vic's quote above, and our children will pay a steep price as revenge. He did it by playing on your fear of terrorism. We have become a nation with a voting majority of barbarians who care nothing at all for justice and respect for law if their sleep is disturbed. In the name of values we elected a moral leper and we did it out of the leprosy with which we have become infected.

This rant brought to you by the straight partisanship (or maybe more properly - straight anti-partisanship) reason cited previously by glenn1.

I see nothing in what glenn1 said that has anything at all to do with what I said. I am opposed to the violation of human decency by any party. If you have real morals you will understand.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Why were the Liberals angry that we didn't unilaterally freeze our nuclear weapons programs? Why were the angry that we supported the freedom fighters in Nicaragua? Why were they angry that we fought the first Gulf War.

Liberals have consistently been on the wrong side if history. I chalk it up to ignorance and naivete.

Why did the Fund A Mental Cases, Evangelical Whacko and Right Wing Nutjobs support an unjust war in Viet Nam, support Nicaragua Terrorist comprised of Right Wing Death Squads and Former Somosa Henchmen and support our involvement in the violent overthrow and assassination of democratically elected Allended in Chile to name but a few of our Governments heinous acts of Imperialism and deceit? Selective Morality. They think they have consistently been on the right side if history but if they were honest with themselves they'd realize that they couldn't be further from the truth

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Because we don't like being misled into supporting an ill advised and ill planned invasion and occupation.

Yep. That's the reason glenn1 forgot.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Megamorph

Originally posted by: glenn1

Why are people so angry about Iraq?

Which "people" are you referring to? If you mean the Europeans, it's because they're pacifistic, were being enriched by the prior status quo (the oil for food corruption), fear American hegemony and military power, and have a different instinct about what acts reasonable accomodations and which constitute appeasement.

If you mean Americans, some of it is straight partisanship (they don't like it because a Republican is doing it), some of it is naivety, some of it is pacifism, some of it is a legitimate but IMHO misguided POV that Iraq and Afghanistan cannot possibly be handled at the same time, and some have the incorrect POV that we have to "address root causes" and believing that means that Iraq is a strategic mistake.

Good analysis. Very accurate.

No it's not, it ignores real concerns in favor of pigeonholing dissenting opinions so you can dismiss them without giving them any real consideration.

For example, it leaves out why I'm angry about Iraq. We went there to find WMDs because Saddam had or was developing them and would use them against us. But when we got there, and it was obvious Saddam didn't have any WMDs, didn't have programs to get any, and wasn't planning any sort of attack against the US, things changed. At this point we either had a leader who went to war against a sovereign country based on faulty intelligence, or we had a leader who lied to us in order to go to war, neither of these are good options. Instead of admitting we were wrong (because we obviously were, and anyone with a fully function brain knew it), suddenly it turned into liberating the Iraqis and fighting terror. Whether or not those two things are good, the fact remains that we went for one reason, that reason was wrong, and instead of admitting we made a mistake we acted like those other reason were the main reasons all along.

Now, as far as glenn1's "analysis" goes, I was a supporter of Bush during the 2000 elections and up through the beginning of the war on Iraq, so it's PROBABLY not partisanship that fuels my opinions. As far as naitivity goes, that's not even an argument because it amounts to "they just don't understand my position". Obviously not. What, exactly, are people being naive about? In any case, my opinions are based on things that actually happened, so I don't think naitivity is the answer. Pacifism? Please, I was all for invading Afghanistan and I think the idea that violence never solved anything ignores the bulk of historical conflict. Can we handle Iraq and Afghanistan at the same time? I'm not convinced either way, but you'll notice that has nothing to do with my objections to the war. Iraq was a strategic mistake in fighting the war on terror? Same answer as before.

Here's an idea, why don't you put down the rhetoric and THINK? Dismissing people's views and opinions based on your silly analysis of them ignores several valid points of view, mine among them. And call me crazy, but I don't think I'm alone.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Why were the Liberals angry that we didn't unilaterally freeze our nuclear weapons programs? Why were the angry that we supported the freedom fighters in Nicaragua? Why were they angry that we fought the first Gulf War.

Liberals have consistently been on the wrong side if history. I chalk it up to ignorance and naivete.

Why did the Fund A Mental Cases, Evangelical Whacko and Right Wing Nutjobs support an unjust war in Viet Nam, support Nicaragua Terrorist comprised of Right Wing Death Squads and Former Somosa Henchmen and support our involvement in the violent overthrow and assassination of democratically elected Allended in Chile to name but a few of our Governments heinous acts of Imperialism and deceit? Selective Morality. They think they have consistently been on the right side if history but if they were honest with themselves they'd realize that they couldn't be further from the truth

If the liberals had had their way, the U.S. would have agreed to a Soviet inspired plan to lock in the Soviet advantage in troops and weapons and the people of Nicaragua would still be a captive of a communist dictatorship.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: glenn1

Why are people so angry about Iraq?

Which "people" are you referring to? If you mean the Europeans, it's because they're pacifistic, were being enriched by the prior status quo (the oil for food corruption), fear American hegemony and military power, and have a different instinct about what acts reasonable accomodations and which constitute appeasement.

If you mean Americans, some of it is straight partisanship (they don't like it because a Republican is doing it), some of it is naivety, some of it is pacifism, some of it is a legitimate but IMHO misguided POV that Iraq and Afghanistan cannot possibly be handled at the same time, and some have the incorrect POV that we have to "address root causes" and believing that means that Iraq is a strategic mistake.

Out of 1000 countries, 33 wanted Bush to be re-elected. That tells you something.

But your thinking is totally warped. Americans are anrgy over iraq for one Primary reason:
WMD
Bush LIED. PERIOD.

Also, Saddam harbors terrorists. FALSE. Antoher LIE!

We were broguht into this war based on LIES. That's why people are pissed.

And to raise a third point, OSB went to the Saudi gov't when RIaq invaded Iran and he wanted to be funded to fight hte iraqi's off. OSB DOES NOT LIKE Saddam. A third Bush Lie!

The war is based on lies, manipulation, psycoligoical warfare and plain bullshit pressed upon the average American by a gov't totally full of cr@p.

There's 1000 countries? I knew some of you leftwing nutjobs were out there, but this takes it to a whole new planet, literally.

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies... those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." (C.S. Lewis)

What is the source for this quotation? I would be surprised if Lewis took an anti-imperialist line. (Not that tyranny=empire.)

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Tarpon6
Why do we need 50 angry about Iraq threads? Theres 3 others right on the first page. These liberal threads never get locked, no matter how many say the exact same thing.

While you might foolishly think otherwise, being just ever so slightly to the left of Hitler does not make one a "liberal".

 

[piasabird]

Many publicly elected officials in european and other EU Countries took bribes in the Oil-For-Food program or have something to hide. They fear the USA and the USA Free Press because we seek the truth. They are guilty of atrocities or being accomplices of atrocities in Iraq at the Hand of Sadam and his henchmen. They seek to demonize America out of fear of their own prosecution.