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Why are people so against gay marriage?
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People have been made opinionated because they feel worthless and need to have some lie they believe in to compensate for that. They were made to conform ad children and the violence they were exposed to to threaten then they now pass on to others. They identified with their tormentors for praise and now despise the different. They care more for their own lies than the actual lives of others.
If anybody actually wants to see a rational discussion of the opposite side to this issue of Prop 8, check out Huckabee on Fox News when they rebroadcast the show later tonight or tomorrow.
And just because it's on Fox News doesn't mean it's conservative hate speech - just preparation for the typical responses from the usual suspects in P&N.
And just because it's on Fox News doesn't mean it's conservative hate speech - just preparation for the typical responses from the usual suspects in P&N.
Then you're right not to be against gay marriage. It doesn't create anymore protected classes. The bigots would deny gays their already existing rights as part of the class of citizens already protected or benefitting from the legal state of civil marriage.
bob4432
Lifer
was wondering how much of it is religion or business - my wife and i got married (eloped) early to take advantage of the savings in car insurance, health insurance, etc then had a "conventional" wedding later. kind of negated the savings, but we were young and had fun, but back to the subject.
Even more of an argument for gay marriage. Opponents of gay marriage sell marriage as a sacred traditional thing, but many times it's not treated that way at all. Not saying what you and your wife did was bad, far from it, but making a life committment to save on your auto insurance doesn't exactly fit with the traditional definition of marriage either.
Marriage is the union betwen a man and a woman. If gays or lesbians want to get married to a member of the opposite sex they are free to do so. No one is stopping them! They are idiots who want to reinvent marriage becase they want everything their way.
When you look at it, there is no real constitutional right that protects marriage. However if the Federal Government wants to pass an amemdment to the U.S. Constitution, let them bring it on.
When you look at it, there is no real constitutional right that protects marriage. However if the Federal Government wants to pass an amemdment to the U.S. Constitution, let them bring it on.
Jeff7
Lifer
The US Consitution is very much the wrong place for legislation on sexual behavior.
Look at the other amendments we have now. They deal with expanding personal freedoms, eliminating infringements on freedoms of others, and restriction of government powers.
Now some want an Amendment restricting personal freedoms. The last time that happened was the 18th Amendment - Prohibition. And look what happened there, repealed after less than 16 years; sad that it even was around that long, and sad that it was ratified in the first place.
If you want to have gay marriage banned, talk to your state legislature. Keep the intolerance confined to your locality. Don't push this stupidity to the US Constitution. I has no place there.
Look at the other amendments we have now. They deal with expanding personal freedoms, eliminating infringements on freedoms of others, and restriction of government powers.
Now some want an Amendment restricting personal freedoms. The last time that happened was the 18th Amendment - Prohibition. And look what happened there, repealed after less than 16 years; sad that it even was around that long, and sad that it was ratified in the first place.
If you want to have gay marriage banned, talk to your state legislature. Keep the intolerance confined to your locality. Don't push this stupidity to the US Constitution. I has no place there.
So your argument is that we shouldn't have gay marriage because we've never had it before, is that about right?
The OP isn't asking that dumb of a question, really...the arguments against gay marriage are mostly the kind of non-arguments you just put forward. I suppose it must make sense to you, but honestly it sounds pretty silly to some of us.
LegendKiller
Lifer
The Constitution never had anything about heterosexual marriage either, sorry, but you fail.
The very fact that you don't even understand the intent of the Constitution, to protect the rights of the minority from the tyranny of the majority speaks volumes about your ignorance and bigotry. Why don't you go to Afghanistan, I hear the Taliban have some intolerance they'd love to spread around.
People against gay marriage are xenophobic and egocentric. They think they should be able to dictate how people live because that's how they live. Subjugating other people's lives to narrow minded and ridiculous viewpoints is about power, people like pisabird love power.
Personally, if they want to get married, let them. It does me no harm at all and it isn't reducing my rights or privacy. It puts them on an equal footing which is *EXACTLY* what this country was intended to do (although they even got it wrong sometimes).
That is your opinion, and you're welcome to marry as you see fit. You are NOT welcome to en force YOUR standards for personal, private behavior on others.
NO! You are the idiot who wants to deconstruct the rights of others because YOU don't like the way they choose to live their lives. What giver you that right?
YES, there is. The "Equal Protection Clause" is part of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, provides that "no state shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." That means, if the civil government is going to provide a set of rights, duties, protections and priviliges for any group of its citizens, it must provide them for all of its citizens. that would include the rights, duties, protections and priviliges associated with civil marriage under the laws of the state.
I know you mean well Harvey but the case law doesn't really support any basis for 14th amendment equal protection of gay marriage. If anything as it stands now the Supreme court in not hearing Nelson v Baker established that its not a federal question, but one for the states to decide. Some states like MA have more liberal equal protection clauses in their own constitutions.
bob4432
Lifer
lets be realistic here, we knew we were going to get married, it is not like the only reason we got married was because of the savings, that would be ridiculous, but since we knew we were, why wait? i expect a bit more out of you since you are a mod. ridiculous statement.....:thumbsdown:
I don't think what I said was that confusing...you might want to try READING my post before getting all up in my face about it. I have no problem at all with what you and your wife did, but eloping early and having the conventional wedding later (whatever the reason) is not "traditional" (which again, is NOT a bad thing). Some people live together, basically acting like a married couple, for years and years before actually getting married...or they never do so. Some people get married several times, searching for happiness. People do different things because it works for them, and that's great.
My only point is that, given our more relaxed attitude towards marriage today, it's somewhat odd that people turn in to an extra from "Leave it to Beaver" whenever the subject of gay marriage comes up...like marriage is still "traditional" at all.
Siddhartha
Lifer
What you are seeing is bigotry.
This guy I know try to explain to me why he is against homosexual having civl marriages. I asked a couple of questions about his stand and finally he admitted that he felt uncomfortable around homosexuals and basically that they should be kept in their place.
44 posts, and the 44th finally used the proper word for the real cause for most. Religion is ued for 'cover' for the bigotry, the way 'states' rights' was used as cover for racism.
Of course it's not intentional for most, it's ignorance; they feel uncomfortable about gay sex, at least, and it leaves them perfectly willing to accept authoritative condemnation.
An interesting letter for nicely summarizing some of the issues with the bibilcal argument;
db
Lifer
A tribute to the Patriot Guard Riders, who originally formed to protect families of fallen veterans during funerals from Fred Phelps' wacko Westboro Baptist Church ("God hates fags!").
"As it stands, now" doesn't apply as of November 8, 2008. It will take some time to bring a case before the Supreme Court, and Obama will probably have the opportunity to appoint one or two justices in the near future. If the plaintiffs' timing is good, they may have a better chance that the Supreme Court will return to its mandate on behalf of the citizens of the nation inscribed over the western portico of the court building, "EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW."
Muse
Lifer
Seems to me there has been two kinds of marriage for quite a while: religious (AKA clerical?), and secular (AKA civil). In the eyes of the law, they seem to be equivalent. You can be married by a "justice of the peace," or a wide variety of clergy types.
There's a ton of baggage that attends marriage, and not having been married I don't know much about it, but stuff like tax law, a boatload of stuff concerning shared ownership, stuff that can happen if the marriage dissolves (i.e. alimony), responsibility for offspring, etc. etc. etc. I suppose it's a whole branch of law.
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