Why are People Against a war with Iraq?

[BigToque]

Why are People Against a war with Iraq?

People are just sick of the US trying to be the world police. If anyone finds a REAL reason to go to war then people wont be against it.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Iraq has a lot of potential as a country, aside from oil.
Definitely . . . granted the majority of countries have untapped potential . . . including the US.

It has one of the most intellectual citizenry in the entire region.
Outside of Israel it is probably challenged by other oil-rich countries only . . . not to mention a cultural heritage measured in millenia.

The people there aren't as ignorant as others in the Middle East.
True. Good systems of K-12 education and encouraging travel tends to produce an enlightened population. Granted, they were kind of hindered by multiple wars started by Saddam. Across the globe in America, many children suffer from poor systems of K-12, rarely travel outside their state much less the country, and spend much of their time engaged in video games, drivel television, and pr0n. To add insult to injury they elected a man who had traveled to exactly ONE foreign country . . . the one bordering his adopted home state. The leader of the free world without a passport . . . damn that's ignorant.

There's an old saying in the middle east: The Egyptians write books, the Lebanese make the books, and the Iraqis read the books.

And stop generalizing about americans or I will be forced to inquire about your official residence and make an analysis of it.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Now you know damn well I'm not. You too evadman. I worded my response poorly.

No reason to get your government issue jock in a bunch. I know what I THOUGHT you meant . . . it just wasn't what you typed. Can't a man ask for clarification instead of remain ignorant?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

There's an old saying in the middle east: The Egyptians write books, the Lebanese make the books, and the Iraqis read the books.

There's a saying in Texas . . . or is it Tennessee, well they've got in Texas too . . .

And stop generalizing about americans or I will be forced to inquire about your official residence and make an analysis of it.

Oh please let me have it oh sage one. I live in Graham, NC 27253.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Stefan

Why are People Against a war with Iraq?

People are just sick of the US trying to be the world police. If anyone finds a REAL reason to go to war then people wont be against it.

they weren't so against it when we had to go and bomb serbia for them.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: aswedc

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: aswedc
If it means dozens of US soldiers dead...lets do it?
If it means we're holding a double standard for other countries (ahem North Korea)...lets do it?

double standard? we're letting china, SK, and japan take care of it, since they're so obviously able to and have such obvious interests in a stable peninsula.

Let China and South Korea take care of it? You mean let them beg NK to put down the nukes with no consequences while we tell Saddam he has to prove he has no nukes in record time or we kick his ass? How can the US and the UN have any legitimacy being the "worlds police" (and thats what we are, don't deny it, what has Saddam done to us?) with behavior like this?

china and SK and japan have a very vital interest in the stability of the korean peninsula. i think we should let them handle it. if they can't see that then they're delusional. why should we go in there ourselves since they can do it to their own liking and take a part on the world stage? we can help them along, certainly, but we don't have to play the major role in it. the US has to play the major role in iraq because the rest of the world seems to short-sighted to do so.

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: rufruf44
Because rather than wasting resources in Iraq, its better to fix up this fuc**** up economy first.

Are you really this stupid?

You can't spend your way into a good economy, there is actually little the government can do about it one way or the other directly.

If the reasoning is to get rid off Saddam, I'm sure a group of commando can do the job quite effectively, rather than sending 4 fleets and half a dozen division, with thousands of missile barrage.

Oh, yea, sure... We COULD do that, but we won't cause we like to use our big guns...

*rolls eyes*

Commandos have their limits, that wouldn't work.

You also have the liberal and their anti-war policy, and the cowards who wouldn't want to risk their behind for anything and everything.

True enough...

Hopper

 

[UltraQuiet]

Oh please let me have it oh sage one. I live in Graham, NC 27253

<Louis Gosset Jr.> NORTH CAROLINA! THERE'S ONLY TWO THINGS THAT COME OUTTA NORTH CAROLINA. STEERS AND .....

BTW none of my garments are in a bunch.

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: Grasshopper27

Originally posted by: rufruf44
Because rather than wasting resources in Iraq, its better to fix up this fuc**** up economy first.

Are you really this stupid?

You can't spend your way into a good economy, there is actually little the government can do about it one way or the other directly.

So the government should just do nothing? Sure, lets just go to 15 years of depression like Japan.

 

[0dd]

Originally posted by: Dari
If it means cheaper oil for me, then let's do it.

So you are willing to let hundreds of thousands of Iraqis die so that you have to pay 10 cents less for gas. The real effect from the US siezing Iraqi oil fields would more likely be the stablizing of oil prices rather than a large decline in oil prices. Do you really think that the American oil companies that take over Iraqi oil production would actually want to see oil prices fall to a level that would cut into their profits?

How much death and suffering are you willing to inflict on other people just so that your standard of life can marginally increase?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: 0dd

Originally posted by: Dari
If it means cheaper oil for me, then let's do it.

So you are willing to let hundreds of thousands of Iraqis die so that you have to pay 10 cents less for gas. The real effect from the US siezing Iraqi oil fields would more likely be the stablizing of oil prices rather than a large decline in oil prices. Do you really think that the American oil companies that take over Iraqi oil production would actually want to see oil prices fall to a level that would cut into their profits?

How much death and suffering are you willing to inflict on other people just so that your standard of life can marginally increase?

Boo hoo hoo. Cry me a fvckin river. If you want to see things that way, it's your choice.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: 0dd

Originally posted by: Dari
If it means cheaper oil for me, then let's do it.

So you are willing to let hundreds of thousands of Iraqis die so that you have to pay 10 cents less for gas. The real effect from the US siezing Iraqi oil fields would more likely be the stablizing of oil prices rather than a large decline in oil prices. Do you really think that the American oil companies that take over Iraqi oil production would actually want to see oil prices fall to a level that would cut into their profits?

How much death and suffering are you willing to inflict on other people just so that your standard of life can marginally increase?

Define marginally and be specific about the people I would have to make suffer.

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: rufruf44
So the government should just do nothing? Sure, lets just go to 15 years of depression like Japan.

Sometimes the government should do nothing.

You DO know the government isn't the solution to everything, right? Often times their "cure" is worse than the problem. Japan is a great exmaple of that actually...

Hopper

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
Define marginally and be specific about the people I would have to make suffer.

Exactly...

If I had to make Saddam suffer to improve our lives, I'd be first in line...

If I had to make the Republican Guard suffer to improve our lives, I'd be first in line...

Hopper

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: 0dd

Originally posted by: Dari
If it means cheaper oil for me, then let's do it.

So you are willing to let hundreds of thousands of Iraqis die so that you have to pay 10 cents less for gas. The real effect from the US siezing Iraqi oil fields would more likely be the stablizing of oil prices rather than a large decline in oil prices. Do you really think that the American oil companies that take over Iraqi oil production would actually want to see oil prices fall to a level that would cut into their profits?

How much death and suffering are you willing to inflict on other people just so that your standard of life can marginally increase?

Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi will only die if Saddam decided to throw the civilians into an advancing army. Also, which one do you think they'll prefer to have? A crazed tyranic despot in power over a chance of a better form of government ?

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: Dari
I think the main reason why people are against war with iraq is either they're anti-american or they're afraid of our growing power throughout the globe. Considering that the Middle East is one the most important places on the globe (it's the oil, stupid), they fear our consolidation of power in that region will leave us in control of the oil flow. Our surrounding of Iran is no accident. Our outreach to those dictatorships in Central Asia is no accident. We have an agenda. For those that don't like it, we americans don't give two squirts of piss. For those that follow our lead, they will be rewarded generously.

As for North Korea, it will be dealt with in an unprecendented way.

S you are calling those who oppose the war anti-american? Those who question the decisions of our government are far more American than people like you who follow them blindly.

 

[jteef]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: jteef

Originally posted by: aswedc
If it means dozens of US soldiers dead...lets do it?
If it means we're holding a double standard for other countries (ahem North Korea)...lets do it?

our soldiers know full well what they signed on to do and what it could mean to their life. It is not your place to question their decision.

and north korea isn't settled yet.

jt

Men and women didn't sign up for the Armed Forces to help corrupt politicians get rich.

EDIT: And their corporate friends.

Our soldiers also know that it is not their place to question the motives of their superiors, so your statement is completely irrelevent

jt

 

[aswedc]

Originally posted by: etech
aswedc

What happened to that timeline 1998-Present? Then all of a sudden good old George W. and Rummy decide Iraq poses a substantial threat to the security of the United States and they proceed with the war rhetoric despite the inspections being incredibly rushed, a "B" for Iraq's cooperation, and the opposition of critical important members of the security counsel?

What can I say, Clinton was a wuss. At least I didn't vote for him.

After seeing that list of Iraqi lies, subterfuge and deception are you wanting me to belive that Saddam suddenly found Jebus and decided to be a good boy and completely destroyed all of his banned weapons? Is that really what you want me to believe?, well you can leave out the Jebus part but you know what I mean.

Read up on the Iraqi Liberation Act passed in 1998.
Congress First Voted to Back Regime Change in Iraq in 1998

ok, Saddam is a certified Bad Guy. But so are many, many other leaders around the world. I don't have a problem taking out Saddam, I don't have any sympathy for him or his regime. However, I do have a problem when, as the worlds most powerful nation, we enforce our justice inconsistently and often only when it benefits us.

 

[etech]

0dd

How much death and suffering are you willing to inflict on other people just so that your standard of life can marginally increase?

The question is how much death and suffering are you willing to turn a blind eye to?

The plight of the Marsh Arabs

How about the Kurds?
Read this and then come back and tell me about suffering.
Iraq dossier

 

[0dd]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Stefan

Why are People Against a war with Iraq?

People are just sick of the US trying to be the world police. If anyone finds a REAL reason to go to war then people wont be against it.

they weren't so against it when we had to go and bomb serbia for them.

I believe that we did have a real reason to go and bomb Serbia. The entire Balkan region was in a state of civil war that threatened to spill over into the rest of Europe. We put troops in Albania to keep them out of it and troops in Macedonia to keep Greece out of it. Instabilities in that region have led to both World Wars.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: aswedc

Originally posted by: etech
aswedc

What happened to that timeline 1998-Present? Then all of a sudden good old George W. and Rummy decide Iraq poses a substantial threat to the security of the United States and they proceed with the war rhetoric despite the inspections being incredibly rushed, a "B" for Iraq's cooperation, and the opposition of critical important members of the security counsel?

What can I say, Clinton was a wuss. At least I didn't vote for him.

After seeing that list of Iraqi lies, subterfuge and deception are you wanting me to belive that Saddam suddenly found Jebus and decided to be a good boy and completely destroyed all of his banned weapons? Is that really what you want me to believe?, well you can leave out the Jebus part but you know what I mean.

Read up on the Iraqi Liberation Act passed in 1998.
Congress First Voted to Back Regime Change in Iraq in 1998

ok, Saddam is a certified Bad Guy. But so are many, many other leaders around the world. I don't have a problem taking out Saddam, I don't have any sympathy for him or his regime. However, I do have a problem when, as the worlds most powerful nation, we enforce our justice inconsistently and often only when it benefits us.

You mean like in Afghanistan when we took out the Taliban?

If not you'll have to give me a clue about what this administration has done that you are talking about.

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Dari
I think the main reason why people are against war with iraq is either they're anti-american or they're afraid of our growing power throughout the globe. Considering that the Middle East is one the most important places on the globe (it's the oil, stupid), they fear our consolidation of power in that region will leave us in control of the oil flow. Our surrounding of Iran is no accident. Our outreach to those dictatorships in Central Asia is no accident. We have an agenda. For those that don't like it, we americans don't give two squirts of piss. For those that follow our lead, they will be rewarded generously.

As for North Korea, it will be dealt with in an unprecendented way.

S you are calling those who oppose the war anti-american? Those who question the decisions of our government are far more American than people like you who follow them blindly.

In the case of specific group of people (Berkeley's and some of our prestige and delusional member of the college educator), yes I'll call them anti-american. Someone just bomb and kill 3,000 of your fellow American, and you oppose any retaliatory effort against them (Al-Qaeda & Taliban), and kept blaming your own people for that ? :|
For the rest, I'll just consider it a different in opinion.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: Dari
I think the main reason why people are against war with iraq is either they're anti-american or they're afraid of our growing power throughout the globe. Considering that the Middle East is one the most important places on the globe (it's the oil, stupid), they fear our consolidation of power in that region will leave us in control of the oil flow. Our surrounding of Iran is no accident. Our outreach to those dictatorships in Central Asia is no accident. We have an agenda. For those that don't like it, we americans don't give two squirts of piss. For those that follow our lead, they will be rewarded generously.

As for North Korea, it will be dealt with in an unprecendented way.

S you are calling those who oppose the war anti-american? Those who question the decisions of our government are far more American than people like you who follow them blindly.

yeah, I've seen the anti-war demonstrations. I've seen the anti-semitism spewing from the demonstrators rancid mouths. I've seen the anti-globalism at those marches. I've seen the socialist/communist agendas spewed at those marches. Those people are against the american system. They oppose american values. While I value free speech, I can't debate with anyone that ties several issues together, all at once. The aforementioned issues that they tie together makes their anti-war arguments moot.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: 0dd

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Stefan

Why are People Against a war with Iraq?

People are just sick of the US trying to be the world police. If anyone finds a REAL reason to go to war then people wont be against it.

they weren't so against it when we had to go and bomb serbia for them.

I believe that we did have a real reason to go and bomb Serbia. The entire Balkan region was in a state of civil war that threatened to spill over into the rest of Europe. We put troops in Albania to keep them out of it and troops in Macedonia to keep Greece out of it. Instabilities in that region have led to both World Wars.

Was there a UN resolution for that action?

 

[SlowSS]

Just because one agrees with certain issues with government doesn't mean they are sheep or blindly following them.

I agree with GW with certain issues and I don't agree with him on other issues.