Why are macs better at standby?
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Probably because Apple knows exactly what system boards it needs to support, so this is one of the cases where having software/hardware integration is a good thing.
Cause they don't use XP?? Anyone know about how a Mac handles standby when running XP? Just curoius...
I have a Macbook with XP SP2 on it. Standby is horrible; when I close the lid while it's on, it'll go into a standby like any normal laptop would, but if I remove any USB device, or move the laptop into any orientation (from sitting on a table to inside a backpack, for instance), it'll turn back on by itself. It doesn't do that in OSX, but in XP. I dunno why.
It's actually fixed in version 1.1 of Bootcamp. It's still a beta product, so you have to give it a little slack, but it works wonderfully now. With the bug fixes in Bootcamp 1.1, XP is almost indistinguishable from running on any other PC. With the exception of the one mouse button of course
I would probably make the recommendation that if you are in the market for a laptop, give the MacBook and MacBookPro a good look if you're looking in that price range. It can run XP just as well as any other laptop and it can run OSX unlike any other laptop.
I'm hard on my boss to replace my aging 800MHz powerbook. It's getting long in the tooth, and the C2D refresh should be here right about the time it gets on the budget.
My point is that people think "Oh, I can run XP for all my needs and have the cool Apple hardware." Well, esp if this has any kind of important usage, XP is anything but a solid option. It may work well enough, but the average person probably doesn't want to deal with it. And forget about using it for businesses purposes, reliability is key there.Originally posted by: AmigaMan
It's actually fixed in version 1.1 of Bootcamp. It's still a beta product, so you have to give it a little slack, but it works wonderfully now. With the bug fixes in Bootcamp 1.1, XP is almost indistinguishable from running on any other PC. With the exception of the one mouse button of course
I would probably make the recommendation that if you are in the market for a laptop, give the MacBook and MacBookPro a good look if you're looking in that price range. It can run XP just as well as any other laptop and it can run OSX unlike any other laptop.
EDIT And for education too. Some colleges don't allow/support Mac OS X at all and if XP takes a crap on your Mac, you're SOL!
Because nobody is a better friend than a Mac. They always standby just in case you need a friend. /sorry
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
My point is that people think "Oh, I can run XP for all my needs and have the cool Apple hardware." Well, esp if this has any kind of important usage, XP is anything but a solid option. It may work well enough, but the average person probably doesn't want to deal with it. And forget about using it for businesses purposes, reliability is key there.Originally posted by: AmigaMan
It's actually fixed in version 1.1 of Bootcamp. It's still a beta product, so you have to give it a little slack, but it works wonderfully now. With the bug fixes in Bootcamp 1.1, XP is almost indistinguishable from running on any other PC. With the exception of the one mouse button of course
I would probably make the recommendation that if you are in the market for a laptop, give the MacBook and MacBookPro a good look if you're looking in that price range. It can run XP just as well as any other laptop and it can run OSX unlike any other laptop.
EDIT And for education too. Some colleges don't allow/support Mac OS X at all and if XP takes a crap on your Mac, you're SOL!
While I agree on your point that the average person probably won't want to deal with Bootcamp, I believe you're mistaken in your opinion that it's not reliable. Bootcamp just provides the drivers to make installing XP and using the laptop's features possible. If XP craps out on you, it's XP's fault. If your college says you have to buy Dell Inspirons and you go buy an IBM or HP and it craps out on you, guess what, you're SOL too.
My point is XP is as reliable on a Mac under Bootcamp 1.1 as any other laptop. And no laptop is perfect, not even Thinkpads. While I respect your knowledge and experience, I feel like you're spreading FUD without any real proof. I don't know where this comes from except that you just don't like Apple...
I have no problem with Apple. I think their designs are neat and OS X is fine for those who want it.Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
My point is that people think "Oh, I can run XP for all my needs and have the cool Apple hardware." Well, esp if this has any kind of important usage, XP is anything but a solid option. It may work well enough, but the average person probably doesn't want to deal with it. And forget about using it for businesses purposes, reliability is key there.Originally posted by: AmigaMan
It's actually fixed in version 1.1 of Bootcamp. It's still a beta product, so you have to give it a little slack, but it works wonderfully now. With the bug fixes in Bootcamp 1.1, XP is almost indistinguishable from running on any other PC. With the exception of the one mouse button of course
I would probably make the recommendation that if you are in the market for a laptop, give the MacBook and MacBookPro a good look if you're looking in that price range. It can run XP just as well as any other laptop and it can run OSX unlike any other laptop.
EDIT And for education too. Some colleges don't allow/support Mac OS X at all and if XP takes a crap on your Mac, you're SOL!
While I agree on your point that the average person probably won't want to deal with Bootcamp, I believe you're mistaken in your opinion that it's not reliable. Bootcamp just provides the drivers to make installing XP and using the laptop's features possible. If XP craps out on you, it's XP's fault. If your college says you have to buy Dell Inspirons and you go buy an IBM or HP and it craps out on you, guess what, you're SOL too.
My point is XP is as reliable on a Mac under Bootcamp 1.1 as any other laptop. And no laptop is perfect, not even Thinkpads. While I respect your knowledge and experience, I feel like you're spreading FUD without any real proof. I don't know where this comes from except that you just don't like Apple...
What I'm referring to is something that I've only really come across when I started dealing with the kind of support you need in a business environment. Or really, any environment where you don't have the time or leeway to deal with major support issues.
For instance: if you have a business professional who takes a machine with them everywhere and relies on it for several important and critical tasks, but REALLY wants dual boot capability to run OS X for say...video/multimedia capabilities. Would you as a responsible IT person recommend getting a MacBook and dual booting? What about all the other un-discovered bugs or incompatibilities that will come up? What about the fact that XP is completely unsupported on Apple machines? You do have the benefit that it is an Intel platform and it is no "hack" to run XP, but the fact of the matter is that you don't have a certified, stable platform. This has nothing to do with Thinkpads or Dells or Apples (or Oranges, hehehe
): it has to do with having something you know is going to work.For tech savvy people, sure go ahead. But be prepared to have to handle unsupported issues as they arise. I'm very tech savvy, but personally I wouldn't run a dual-booted MacBook as my primary machine, even though I would very much like to play with OS X more. The reason is that I cannot afford downtime or problems on my primary system, it would cause an unacceptable loss in productivity and communication. Does the average user experience such disruptions when their main computer has a problem? Probably not. But when someone asks about a computer suggestion and user125343 here suggests getting a MacBook because its cheap and can run XP, I have to interject "Do you want/need to run OS X? If not, then don't." Some schools will be of very little help with OS X, the majority of corporations are the same way, and you need to weigh the potential of problems & lack of support into the equation.
I'm not directly or indirectly implying any lack of quality, stability, or reliability inherent in Apple or BootCamp. Instead I'm saying that you need to consider that on an Apple, using the most universally chosen & supported operating system (Windows XP) puts you in a world where you have nothing backing you up except yourself.
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Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
I have no problem with Apple. I think their designs are neat and OS X is fine for those who want it.
What I'm referring to is something that I've only really come across when I started dealing with the kind of support you need in a business environment. Or really, any environment where you don't have the time or leeway to deal with major support issues.
For instance: if you have a business professional who takes a machine with them everywhere and relies on it for several important and critical tasks, but REALLY wants dual boot capability to run OS X for say...video/multimedia capabilities. Would you as a responsible IT person recommend getting a MacBook and dual booting? What about all the other un-discovered bugs or incompatibilities that will come up? What about the fact that XP is completely unsupported on Apple machines? You do have the benefit that it is an Intel platform and it is no "hack" to run XP, but the fact of the matter is that you don't have a certified, stable platform. This has nothing to do with Thinkpads or Dells or Apples (or Oranges, hehehe
For tech savvy people, sure go ahead. But be prepared to have to handle unsupported issues as they arise. I'm very tech savvy, but personally I wouldn't run a dual-booted MacBook as my primary machine, even though I would very much like to play with OS X more. The reason is that I cannot afford downtime or problems on my primary system, it would cause an unacceptable loss in productivity and communication. Does the average user experience such disruptions when their main computer has a problem? Probably not. But when someone asks about a computer suggestion and user125343 here suggests getting a MacBook because its cheap and can run XP, I have to interject "Do you want/need to run OS X? If not, then don't." Some schools will be of very little help with OS X, the majority of corporations are the same way, and you need to weigh the potential of problems & lack of support into the equation.
I'm not directly or indirectly implying any lack of quality, stability, or reliability inherent in Apple or BootCamp. Instead I'm saying that you need to consider that on an Apple, using the most universally chosen & supported operating system (Windows XP) puts you in a world where you have nothing backing you up except yourself.
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Just wanted to say: Awesome response! Very well thought-out and you hit all the points and explained them without getting snippy or disrespectful. Although we have differing opinions, I respect yours as I believe you respect mine.
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
I have no problem with Apple. I think their designs are neat and OS X is fine for those who want it.
What I'm referring to is something that I've only really come across when I started dealing with the kind of support you need in a business environment. Or really, any environment where you don't have the time or leeway to deal with major support issues.
For instance: if you have a business professional who takes a machine with them everywhere and relies on it for several important and critical tasks, but REALLY wants dual boot capability to run OS X for say...video/multimedia capabilities. Would you as a responsible IT person recommend getting a MacBook and dual booting? What about all the other un-discovered bugs or incompatibilities that will come up? What about the fact that XP is completely unsupported on Apple machines? You do have the benefit that it is an Intel platform and it is no "hack" to run XP, but the fact of the matter is that you don't have a certified, stable platform. This has nothing to do with Thinkpads or Dells or Apples (or Oranges, hehehe
For tech savvy people, sure go ahead. But be prepared to have to handle unsupported issues as they arise. I'm very tech savvy, but personally I wouldn't run a dual-booted MacBook as my primary machine, even though I would very much like to play with OS X more. The reason is that I cannot afford downtime or problems on my primary system, it would cause an unacceptable loss in productivity and communication. Does the average user experience such disruptions when their main computer has a problem? Probably not. But when someone asks about a computer suggestion and user125343 here suggests getting a MacBook because its cheap and can run XP, I have to interject "Do you want/need to run OS X? If not, then don't." Some schools will be of very little help with OS X, the majority of corporations are the same way, and you need to weigh the potential of problems & lack of support into the equation.
I'm not directly or indirectly implying any lack of quality, stability, or reliability inherent in Apple or BootCamp. Instead I'm saying that you need to consider that on an Apple, using the most universally chosen & supported operating system (Windows XP) puts you in a world where you have nothing backing you up except yourself.
[/soapbox]
Just wanted to say: Awesome response! Very well thought-out and you hit all the points and explained them without getting snippy or disrespectful. Although we have differing opinions, I respect yours as I believe you respect mine.
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
I have no problem with Apple. I think their designs are neat and OS X is fine for those who want it.
What I'm referring to is something that I've only really come across when I started dealing with the kind of support you need in a business environment. Or really, any environment where you don't have the time or leeway to deal with major support issues.
For instance: if you have a business professional who takes a machine with them everywhere and relies on it for several important and critical tasks, but REALLY wants dual boot capability to run OS X for say...video/multimedia capabilities. Would you as a responsible IT person recommend getting a MacBook and dual booting? What about all the other un-discovered bugs or incompatibilities that will come up? What about the fact that XP is completely unsupported on Apple machines? You do have the benefit that it is an Intel platform and it is no "hack" to run XP, but the fact of the matter is that you don't have a certified, stable platform. This has nothing to do with Thinkpads or Dells or Apples (or Oranges, hehehe
For tech savvy people, sure go ahead. But be prepared to have to handle unsupported issues as they arise. I'm very tech savvy, but personally I wouldn't run a dual-booted MacBook as my primary machine, even though I would very much like to play with OS X more. The reason is that I cannot afford downtime or problems on my primary system, it would cause an unacceptable loss in productivity and communication. Does the average user experience such disruptions when their main computer has a problem? Probably not. But when someone asks about a computer suggestion and user125343 here suggests getting a MacBook because its cheap and can run XP, I have to interject "Do you want/need to run OS X? If not, then don't." Some schools will be of very little help with OS X, the majority of corporations are the same way, and you need to weigh the potential of problems & lack of support into the equation.
I'm not directly or indirectly implying any lack of quality, stability, or reliability inherent in Apple or BootCamp. Instead I'm saying that you need to consider that on an Apple, using the most universally chosen & supported operating system (Windows XP) puts you in a world where you have nothing backing you up except yourself.
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Just wanted to say: Awesome response! Very well thought-out and you hit all the points and explained them without getting snippy or disrespectful. Although we have differing opinions, I respect yours as I believe you respect mine.
I agree it's a good response, but let's not get all Barney'esque okay? After-school specials on AT are just weird.
In any case, I'm the type who would buy a Macbook just to play around with OSX and all its coolness. The only reason I'm not is that I bought a Creative Zen Vision: M and I would feel bad about not being able to integrate that and iTunes. >.> It's the perfectionist in me.
I've found Hibernate to be a lot more reliable than Standby on my XP laptop (Pentium-based); I never turn it off anymore, and it takes maybe 10 sec to be fully up and ready for use. The idea behind Standby is great, but I think we've all seen the implementation--no doubt due in large part to integration issues-to be problematic at best.
Try Hibernate and see how it works for you.
Try Hibernate and see how it works for you.
It's really the bragging rights of having an Apple product. I have 4 other non-Apple computers (3 self-built, 1 Dell laptop) and buying a Macbook seemed plausible for me as a leisure purchase. I have to admit that I bought the Macbook solely for its dual booting to XP and OSX. On top of that, I admit I use XP about 95% of the time. While having a nice looking laptop that doesnt weight 10 lbs is a nice added bonus, I really just wanted to see what Apple computers are all about (never owned one, but used them a lot during HS). I only recommend the Macbook if its 1) within your price range, 2) you know about hardware and software, and 3) want something nice. Other than that, I just tell people to buy Toshiba or HP instead.
Back on topic, I guess I'll have to check out bootcamp 1.1, didn't know that cameout as I still run the 1.0.
Back on topic, I guess I'll have to check out bootcamp 1.1, didn't know that cameout as I still run the 1.0.
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Even if you wanted something nice, there are plenty of PC branded notebooks out there, such as Asus or some of the TravelMate/Ferrari Acer noteboks....
Exactly. Though I've never had a problem with dells (Circa 2003 and earlier) or IBM laptops going into standby, but sony laptops I've definately had issues, about 50/50 it works or it doesn't.
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