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Why are liberty, peace, and prosperity so unpopular?

Anarchist420

Diamond Member
I'm serious. I've noticed this forum is filled with a ton of authoritarians, so I have to ask them:
Why don't you like peace, liberty, and prosperity?

The historical record is against you, so find an answer along different lines than "libertopia is not possible".
 
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Why don't you like peace, liberty, and prosperity?

Peace is something they like. But, only when the enemies of America are dead and long gone. Or, very far away and do not bother us. Or, as long as they are not in our way when we go where ever we want to go.

Liberty - only to those who are deemed, by those who know it all on these forums, worthy of liberty. Some have even hinted that slavery needs to come back.

Prosperity - only to those who are deemed, by those who know it all on these forums, worthy of prosperity. If you don't know how to spend and make money properly, you do not deserve any of it - which is fair and I agree with. However, if you use loop holes, exploitation of migrant laborers and their children, harm America's economy (shitty investment products), steal, cheat and lie; you are praised and cheered to carry on. If someone opposes this cheering and praise,... they are communists and enemies of America.
 
I'm serious. I've noticed this forum is filled with a ton of authoritarians, so I have to ask them:
Why don't you like peace, liberty, and prosperity?

The historical record is against you, so find an answer along different lines than "libertopia is not possible".

Anarchy is the antithesis of liberty, peace or prosperity. Especially liberty. There is no liberty in anarchy, unless it is the liberty of the sociopath, or the mob. It is a prison for everyone else.
 
Anarchy is the antithesis of liberty, peace or prosperity. Especially liberty. There is no liberty in anarchy, unless it is the liberty of the sociopath, or the mob. It is a prison for everyone else.
No, not really. The only people it would be chaos for is those who are not self-sufficient and for those who monopolize, cheat, aggress against other people, and steal. The banksters would hate it because the supply of credit would be so tight that no sensible person would borrow anything, which would mean very little money for lenders. Who made the Rothschilds? The British tax-payer. They could not have made so much money if it weren't for governments. Or at least they couldn't have made it quite as easily and it would've had to have been through a voluntary contract. Halliburton would hate having limited or no government, because then they'd be out of an involuntary contract. Dick Cheney is not a self-made man. The tax-payer made him, and the tax-payer should break his sorry dependent ass.

Most of the people on Wall Street are not self-sufficient. They rely on uniform legal tender to get rich.

Just as my dad (who actually provides a service that would be needed in a truly free market and pays more as a percentage of his income in taxes than they do) has helped make their dependent asses, he could help break their asses. Unfortunately, he's too much of a pussy to do so. However, I'll make sure that my generation and I break their asses and purge them into a stateless society which will be chaos for dependents like them, but utopia for people like me.

Y'know those drug cartels? Antifederalists would put their sorry asses out of business.

Y'know those "welfare queens"? They too would be forced to work and they could no longer live off the tax-payer in an Antifederalist society. People could do whatever they wanted with their labor and the fruits of it. There would no longer be a monopoly on force, justice, or anything else. the cops, the military, and the courts have screwed up so much because they can't go out of business.
 
No, not really. The only people it would be chaos for is those who are not self-sufficient and for those who monopolize, cheat, aggress against other people, and steal. The banksters would hate it because the supply of credit would be so tight that no sensible person would borrow anything, which would mean very little money for lenders. Who made the Rothschilds? The British tax-payer. They could not have made so much money if it weren't for governments. Or at least they couldn't have made it quite as easily and it would've had to have been through a voluntary contract. Halliburton would hate having limited or no government, because then they'd be out of an involuntary contract. Dick Cheney is not a self-made man. The tax-payer made him, and the tax-payer should break his sorry dependent ass.

Most of the people on Wall Street are not self-sufficient. They rely on uniform legal tender to get rich.

Just as my dad (who actually provides a service that would be needed in a truly free market and pays more as a percentage of his income in taxes than they do) has helped make their dependent asses, he could help break their asses. Unfortunately, he's too much of a pussy to do so. However, I'll make sure that my generation and I break their asses and purge them into a stateless society which will be chaos for dependents like them, but utopia for people like me.

Y'know those drug cartels? Antifederalists would put their sorry asses out of business.

Y'know those "welfare queens"? They too would be forced to work and they could no longer live off the tax-payer in an Antifederalist society. People could do whatever they wanted with their labor and the fruits of it. There would no longer be a monopoly on force, justice, or anything else. the cops, the military, and the courts have screwed up so much because they can't go out of business.

I would just shoot you and take your shit. It would be awesome.
 
No, not really. The only people it would be chaos for is those who are not self-sufficient and for those who monopolize, cheat, aggress against other people, and steal. The banksters would hate it because the supply of credit would be so tight that no sensible person would borrow anything, which would mean very little money for lenders. Who made the Rothschilds? The British tax-payer. They could not have made so much money if it weren't for governments. Or at least they couldn't have made it quite as easily and it would've had to have been through a voluntary contract. Halliburton would hate having limited or no government, because then they'd be out of an involuntary contract. Dick Cheney is not a self-made man. The tax-payer made him, and the tax-payer should break his sorry dependent ass.

Most of the people on Wall Street are not self-sufficient. They rely on uniform legal tender to get rich.

Just as my dad (who actually provides a service that would be needed in a truly free market and pays more as a percentage of his income in taxes than they do) has helped make their dependent asses, he could help break their asses. Unfortunately, he's too much of a pussy to do so. However, I'll make sure that my generation and I break their asses and purge them into a stateless society which will be chaos for dependents like them, but utopia for people like me.

Y'know those drug cartels? Antifederalists would put their sorry asses out of business.

Y'know those "welfare queens"? They too would be forced to work and they could no longer live off the tax-payer in an Antifederalist society. People could do whatever they wanted with their labor and the fruits of it. There would no longer be a monopoly on force, justice, or anything else. the cops, the military, and the courts have screwed up so much because they can't go out of business.

No monopolies of force or power in the absence of the state? My God you are too naive for words. There is no avoiding a concentration of resources. There is no vacuum of power. There is no freedom without some sort of state. Unwittingly, you are a slave to your 6th grade civics lessons, where they equate "liberty" exclusively with the limitations on government envisioned by the founding fathers. The lesson was correct, but it was incomplete. The omission was understandable because children lack the cognitive ability to understand that the polar opposite of government tyranny is tyranny in many other forms. You believe in the simplistic false dichtomy that more government equals less freedom, and vice versa. That is the starting point of the child on the way to civic understanding. You are not a child anymore. So what is your excuse?
 
I would just shoot you and take your shit. It would be awesome.
Violating property rights gets you nowhere in a stateless society.

There would be consequences you would suffer if you were actually able to do so.

Besides, I could just as easily do the same to you. However, I wouldn't, because I realize that I would suffer consequences. Judging from what you've said, you know very little about living in a stateless society.
No monopolies of force or power in the absence of the state? My God you are too naive for words. There is no avoiding a concentration of resources. There is no vacuum of power. There is no freedom without some sort of state. Unwittingly, you are a slave to your 6th grade civics lessons, where they equate "liberty" exclusively with the limitations on government envisioned by the founding fathers. The lesson was correct, but it was incomplete. The omission was understandable because children lack the cognitive ability to understand that the polar opposite of government tyranny is tyranny in many other forms. You believe in the simplistic false dichtomy that more government equals less freedom, and vice versa. That is the starting point of the child on the way to civic understanding. You are not a child anymore. So what is your excuse?
The amount of freedom does depend upon how much government you have and yes, I realize that anarchy is not 100% freedom. But you've got to be kidding yourself if you think that what we have now protects us from danger and allows us to be more free than we would be without the state.
 
But you've got to be kidding yourself if you think that what we have now protects us from danger and allows us to be more free than we would be without the state.

Yeah, without a state we'd risk being the utopia that Somalia is. God, I wish our pesky government would go away so I could rape, kill, torture, and steal from my neighbors.
 
No, not really. The only people it would be chaos for is those who are not self-sufficient and for those who monopolize, cheat, aggress against other people, and steal. The banksters would hate it because the supply of credit would be so tight that no sensible person would borrow anything, which would mean very little money for lenders. Who made the Rothschilds? The British tax-payer. They could not have made so much money if it weren't for governments. Or at least they couldn't have made it quite as easily and it would've had to have been through a voluntary contract. Halliburton would hate having limited or no government, because then they'd be out of an involuntary contract. Dick Cheney is not a self-made man. The tax-payer made him, and the tax-payer should break his sorry dependent ass.

Most of the people on Wall Street are not self-sufficient. They rely on uniform legal tender to get rich.

Just as my dad (who actually provides a service that would be needed in a truly free market and pays more as a percentage of his income in taxes than they do) has helped make their dependent asses, he could help break their asses. Unfortunately, he's too much of a pussy to do so. However, I'll make sure that my generation and I break their asses and purge them into a stateless society which will be chaos for dependents like them, but utopia for people like me.

Y'know those drug cartels? Antifederalists would put their sorry asses out of business.

Y'know those "welfare queens"? They too would be forced to work and they could no longer live off the tax-payer in an Antifederalist society. People could do whatever they wanted with their labor and the fruits of it. There would no longer be a monopoly on force, justice, or anything else. the cops, the military, and the courts have screwed up so much because they can't go out of business.

Oh teenagers and their dreams. What is your opinion on Bitcoins.
 
Violating property rights gets you nowhere in a stateless society.

There would be consequences you would suffer if you were actually able to do so.

Name those consequences my tarded little friend, and delineate how people would go about prosecuting those criminals in your BS libertopia.
 
Violating property rights gets you nowhere in a stateless society.

There would be consequences you would suffer if you were actually able to do so.

Besides, I could just as easily do the same to you. However, I wouldn't, because I realize that I would suffer consequences. Judging from what you've said, you know very little about living in a stateless society.

The amount of freedom does depend upon how much government you have and yes, I realize that anarchy is not 100% freedom. But you've got to be kidding yourself if you think that what we have now protects us from danger and allows us to be more free than we would be without the state.

An anarchist who doesn't understand the tyranny of concentrated wealth. Read:

The only demand that property recognizes is its own gluttonous appetite for greater wealth, because wealth means power; the power to subdue, to crush, to exploit, the power to enslave, to outrage, to degrade.... [Capitalism] turns the producer into a mere particle of a machine, with less will and decision than his master of steel and iron.

Who wrote that? Was it a statist, or perhaps an anarchist who understood that power and tyranny exist in many forms?

- wolf
 
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