Why are liberals so condescending? [Washington Post article]

[mav451]

I dunno about calling this an article - it's in the Opinion section. And the title of his lecture for Monday:

http://www.aei.org/event/100107
"Do Liberals Know Best? Intellectual Self-Confidence and the Claim to a Monopoly on Knowledge"

Good god is this guy smug. And lol at the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, we already have these problems so letting the Fed take over will make it better?
That is called "out of touch with reality".
We need to get the government out of health care and get a handle
of the rampant corporate corruption we suffer from.


regards,
DJ

Lame. Who's going to make corporate reform happen, anyway- the Tooth Fairy? The stockholders who are so diffuse, disorganized and greedy as to basically be powerless? Or the government, thru changes to corporate governance policy and actual (heaven forbid!) oversight?

This ain't rocket science. Hell, it's not even algebra.

 

[Deudalus]

I guess its just a question of are liberals or conservatives willing to consider the other sides ideas?

Like me for example I almost always vote Republican or do not vote.

That said the only reason I do this is because of taxes.

I am pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-legalization of marujana, and pro-health insurance reform.

But I do not believe in being taxed when I make money, taxed when I invest money, taxed when I spend money, and then taxed when I die.

I am 100% for at flat sales tax and NO OTHER form of taxation.


Is there a single liberal / progressive here who would even consider that?

My biggest issue with liberals is that they love to cast themselves as independents. Liberals see the word liberal as a bad word, which I don't understand, where as conservatives have no problem calling themselves conservative.

It isn't only liberals that have this issue but I do find it to be more prevalent among liberals.

 

[Craig234]

I guess its just a question of are liberals or conservatives willing to consider the other sides ideas?

Really this isn't as important as the correct views. It's a red herring propaganda attack you are told.

Like me for example I almost always vote Republican or do not vote.

That said the only reason I do this is because of taxes.

I'd be interested to see if you are one of the 1 in 10,000 who really benefit from the super low taxes for the rich. or one of the many who scream about taxes for wrongheaded reasons.

Whether it's not understanding that low taxes for the rich hurt you, or not understanding the need for taxes to pay for our bills instead of running up the deficit.

I am pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-legalization of marujana, and pro-health insurance reform.

But you vote against all of them.

But I do not believe in being taxed when I make money, taxed when I invest money, taxed when I spend money, and then taxed when I die.

Let's take that last one. It only effects estates of over several million dollars. Is that you?

I am 100% for at flat sales tax and NO OTHER form of taxation.

This is a ridiculous suggestion put forth by the people who think a majority of taxpayers are clueless enough to shift the tax burden off the rich onto the public even more than it already is.

It really suggests you don't understand the issue at all, if you aren't in the top echelon of wealth, and are a greedy SOB if you are.

Is there a single liberal / progressive here who would even consider that?

Consider? Ya, i did, and determined it's a horrible policy.

My biggest issue with liberals is that they love to cast themselves as independents.

That's not much of an issue.

Liberals see the word liberal as a bad word, which I don't understand, where as conservatives have no problem calling themselves conservative.

It isn't only liberals that have this issue but I do find it to be more prevalent among liberals.

I'm proud of the word liberal. There was a massive marketing effort by the monised interests to get people to not vote in their own interests - they demonied the word for a while.

Then they crashed the economy among other bad things and it's not so demonized.

 

[nick1985]

I'm proud of the word liberal. There was a massive marketing effort by the monised interests to get people to not vote in their own interests - they demonied the word for a while.

Then they crashed the economy among other bad things and it's not so demonized.

Then whats with all of this 'progressive' talk?

 

[Jhhnn]

Then whats with all of this 'progressive' talk?

For those of us who hold such views, we see it as more accurate, not to mention the demonization that "Liberal" has been assigned by the condescending pundits of the Rightwing.

Listen to the way Rushbo uses it- it's the same way Righties have traditionally used terms like "lovely human", "Commie", "Sex Criminal" & "Ni@@er".

Demonize and dismiss.

 

[Ozoned]

For those of us who hold such views, we see it as more accurate, not to mention the demonization that "Liberal" has been assigned by the condescending pundits of the Rightwing.

Listen to the way Rushbo uses it- it's the same way Righties have traditionally used terms like "lovely human", "Commie", "Sex Criminal" & "Ni@@er".

Demonize and dismiss.

Yeah, what's up with those wingnut neocon teabaggers anyway?

 

[Atreus21]

Yeah, what's up with those wingnut neocon teabaggers anyway?

hahaha.

 

[werepossum]

In my experience, engineers (there are a lot of Chemical and Biotech engineers in my area) are largely either Democrats are Libertarians. Engineers generally evaluate issues on a quantitative basis. The sort of ignorant emotional appeals that the radical right uses to appeal to people are less effective with Engineers.

That's weird. I know a lot of engineers and only one Obama voter. Even the staunch yellow dog Democrat engineers I know didn't vote for him. Even the black ones. In my experience engineers are overwhelmingly conservative or right-leaning libertarians (socially liberal on individual rights, conservative fiscally and on defense and entitlement issues.) Even those of us who are tree-huggers vote Republican or Libertarian far more than Democrat. Architects on the other hand are more evenly split, but as a group lean left.

 

[werepossum]

I guess its just a question of are liberals or conservatives willing to consider the other sides ideas?

Like me for example I almost always vote Republican or do not vote.

That said the only reason I do this is because of taxes.

I am pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-legalization of marujana, and pro-health insurance reform.

But I do not believe in being taxed when I make money, taxed when I invest money, taxed when I spend money, and then taxed when I die.

I am 100% for at flat sales tax and NO OTHER form of taxation.


Is there a single liberal / progressive here who would even consider that?

My biggest issue with liberals is that they love to cast themselves as independents. Liberals see the word liberal as a bad word, which I don't understand, where as conservatives have no problem calling themselves conservative.

It isn't only liberals that have this issue but I do find it to be more prevalent among liberals.

LOL You almost exactly described me too, except I fear health care "reform". I'd even support single payer health care if we had a government funded by a flat sales tax, taking away government's ability to punish or reward via the tax code. People like us end up holding our noses and voting for the lessor evil - or just saying screw them all and voting Libertarian.

Support the FairTax!

 

[mav451]

I dunno about overwhelming. My office is pretty mum about politics, but whenever I bring up a conservative (i.e. Romney during primaries, or Brown recently), my colleagues used words like "tool" or "nazi".

So um...seems many of my co-workers are definitely liberal, hell my cubicle mate was ranting when I told him I was considering Obama during the primaries. Hint: the guy was a Hillary fan - LMAO.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeah, what's up with those wingnut neocon teabaggers anyway?

Face it, Ozoned- the current derision and lack of respect in the political arena originated at your end of the spectrum, as have most of the truly sleazy attack venues and dog-whistle political ploys. Not just yesterday, but going back for decades.

"Neoconservatives", "Neocons" for short, is a term the adherents used themselves, until the current economic and geopolitical morass they created came to fruition. Now they're mostly trying to hide, count their money, claim it was somebody else's fault.

Condescension? try this-

http://www.weeklystandard.com/content/public/articles/000/000/003/000tzmlw.asp

 

[Ozoned]

Face it, Ozoned- the current derision and lack of respect in the political arena originated at your end of the spectrum, as have most of the truly sleazy attack venues and dog-whistle political ploys. Not just yesterday, but going back for decades.

"Neoconservatives", "Neocons" for short, is a term the adherents used themselves, until the current economic and geopolitical morass they created came to fruition. Now they're mostly trying to hide, count their money, claim it was somebody else's fault.

Condescension? try this-

http://www.weeklystandard.com/content/public/articles/000/000/003/000tzmlw.asp

Actually, the 1st popular known political insult in this country was from the liberal Thomas Paine in a letter to our 1st president.



And as to you, Sir, treacherous in private friendship (for so you have been to me, and that in the day of danger) and a hypocrite in public life, the world will be puzzled to decide whether you are an apostate or an impostor, whether you have abandoned good principles, or whether you ever had any. Thomas Paine, letter to George Washington 7/30/1796

 

[Jhhnn]

Actually, the 1st popular known political insult in this country was from the liberal Thomas Paine in a letter to our 1st president.



And as to you, Sir, treacherous in private friendship (for so you have been to me, and that in the day of danger) and a hypocrite in public life, the world will be puzzled to decide whether you are an apostate or an impostor, whether you have abandoned good principles, or whether you ever had any. Thomas Paine, letter to George Washington 7/30/1796

Nice dodge, Ozoned. The point still stands.

 

[Ozoned]

Nice dodge, Ozoned. The point still stands.

Well, it is noted, but it certainly does not stand.

 

[werepossum]

I dunno about overwhelming. My office is pretty mum about politics, but whenever I bring up a conservative (i.e. Romney during primaries, or Brown recently), my colleagues used words like "tool" or "nazi".

So um...seems many of my co-workers are definitely liberal, hell my cubicle mate was ranting when I told him I was considering Obama during the primaries. Hint: the guy was a Hillary fan - LMAO.

Probably depends on where you are. I'm in Tennessee, where I'm usually considered a raging liberal tree-hugger.

 

[Moonbeam]

Everybody feels totally worthless and is hiding that knowledge from themselves. If you are wrong and somebody else is right, it just confirms that feeling. We will kill before we will face how we feel. It is absolutely imperative for the self hating to be right.

 

[alphatarget1]

That's weird. I know a lot of engineers and only one Obama voter. Even the staunch yellow dog Democrat engineers I know didn't vote for him. Even the black ones. In my experience engineers are overwhelmingly conservative or right-leaning libertarians (socially liberal on individual rights, conservative fiscally and on defense and entitlement issues.) Even those of us who are tree-huggers vote Republican or Libertarian far more than Democrat. Architects on the other hand are more evenly split, but as a group lean left.

Any engineer who deals with real life things would understand cost/benefit for a certain policy, let's say. I do know some engineers who are liberals, but most of them are, by far, pretty realistic about what the government is and isn't capable of doing.

 

[manowar821]

I didn't read any of the thread or your link, I can only assume that you're referring to the american political definition of "liberal" which has nothing to do with the actual definition of "social-liberal".

If you're referring to a "social-liberal", it's because they're right, and you're wrong, and there's nothing they can do to persuade your ape-mind.

If you're referring to the american "liberal", it's because they're the other side of the political coin, and they're just as closed minded as you are.

Peace out.

 

[Thump553]

I find it supremely ironic that a few threads above this one is one about green police being a liberal's wet dream. But that's not condescending, right?

 

[piasabird]

Condescending liberals are the definition of Facism. The elect few trying to run the country through tyranny because they are the only people smart enough to tell the dumb masses what is good for them.

 

[shortylickens]

Condescending liberals are the definition of Facism. The elect few trying to run the country through tyranny because they are the only people smart enough to tell the dumb masses what is good for them.

Which is funny because thats exactly what I thought of the Bush regime and republican controlled congress.
I guess republicans must be all liberals nowadays.

 

[Craig234]

Condescending liberals are the definition of Facism. The elect few trying to run the country through tyranny because they are the only people smart enough to tell the dumb masses what is good for them.

Piasabird learned a new word that means 'bad', fascism (with practice he'll get the spelling right), and now he can throw it around at 'liberals'. Next up: Condescending liberals are the definition of neocons.

 

[QuantumPion]

Conservatives think that everyone should be able to make their own choices, even if they are bad. Liberals think they know what's good for you better than you do, and that it is their job to enforce it.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Conservatives think that everyone should be able to make their own choices, even if they are bad. Liberals think they know what's good for you better than you do, and that it is their job to enforce it.

This is why Conservatives support decriminalization of drugs, Gay marriage, legalized prostitution, etc...