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Why are gays more of an issue than OUR BORDERS and illegal aliens

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CycloWizard

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Sep 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: Engineer
Maybe he can unite....maybe not. Can't do any worse than Bush and his promise 4 years ago to unite.

Oh, and we still don't need a freaking Constitutional amendment on freaking gays....

Better protection of our borders would be nice....and stopping the leak of American jobs through them would be nice too....but probably not too realistic.
Ah, the truth comes out. "Can't do any worse than Bush." That's a great way to determine who to vote for. Will you be voting for Nader or Badnarik?
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Bush tried to AMMEND OUR COUNSTITUTION to prevent gay people from getting married...what has he done with border security on that level? Perfectly valid question if you ask me.
Are you suggesting that he propose an amendment to seal the borders? If so, go learn what amendments are, what laws are, and how our government works. Get a clue.

This is one big liberal circle jerk. You guys are pathetic.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Ah, the truth comes out. "Can't do any worse than Bush." That's a great way to determine who to vote for. Will you be voting for Nader or Badnarik?

Well, at least you admit the truth is that he can't possibly do any worse than Bush.
 

Vic

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Jun 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: DonVito
They're not - the whole issue is a colossal diversion. There is not and never will be a constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriage. This issue helps the Bush campaign mobilize evangelical Christians, and draws attention from the fact that thousands of illegal aliens are pouring across our border every day, among many other problem issues for the present administration.

WINNER!
 
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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: dahunan
Please let me know when Kerry tells us he wants a constitutional ammendment to stop gays from marrying
Please let me know wtf this has to do with border security.

Bush tried to AMMEND OUR COUNSTITUTION to prevent gay people from getting married...what has he done with border security on that level? Perfectly valid question if you ask me.
Here's what Bush has done:

President Signs Border Security and Visa Entry Reform Act

http://immigration.about.com/o.../BorderControlIs_2.htm

Changes Under Bush:
  • US-VISIT tracking system.
    Smart Border Declaration with Canada, similar agreement with Mexico.

    Officers at U.S. borders and ports of entry equipped with technology to better detect radioactive material.

    Coast Guard purchased 700 high-speed vessels with communications systems.
    Arizona Border Control Initiative established to deploy over 200 specially trained U.S. Border Patrol Agents to the Arizona border by the summer of 2004.

    Initiative also calls for unmanned aerial vehicle patrols, four additional A-Star 350 helicopters and additional $1 million slated for new sensor technology.

    Department of Homeland Security now requires electronic advance cargo manifests from sea carriers 96 hours prior to arrival to give officials more time to check for potentially dangerous crew, passengers, and cargo.

The Coast Guard boarded 2,500+ vessels, interdicted 6,200+ undocumented migrants, created and maintained over 115 Maritime Security Zones. Says Bush "We must do a better job of stopping those who seek to come into our country illegally. I support strict border enforcement programs ... I believe it is far more compassionate to turn away people at the border than to attempt to find and arrest them once they are living in our country illegally."

If you want to know Kerry's plan, see the Bush plan except just read it faster. ;)
 

cKGunslinger

Lifer
Nov 29, 1999
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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: dahunan
Please let me know when Kerry tells us he wants a constitutional ammendment to stop gays from marrying
Please let me know wtf this has to do with border security.

Bush tried to AMMEND OUR COUNSTITUTION to prevent gay people from getting married...what has he done with border security on that level? Perfectly valid question if you ask me.

1) Bush proposed an Amendment that *everyone* knew would never pass in a political ploy to garner support from a particular influential demographic.

2) Kerry has spend just as much effort on trivial issues, and just as little on Border Security. In fact, from his web page's much-hyped 'plan', all we get is this:
Protect Our Borders And Shores
Today, our borders, our ports, and our airports are not as secure as they must be. John Kerry and John Edwards will make our airports, seaports, and borders more secure without intruding upon personal liberties.
Wow! Color me impressed at his resolute! :roll:
 

jjzelinski

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Aug 23, 2004
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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Engineer
Maybe he can unite....maybe not. Can't do any worse than Bush and his promise 4 years ago to unite.

Oh, and we still don't need a freaking Constitutional amendment on freaking gays....

Better protection of our borders would be nice....and stopping the leak of American jobs through them would be nice too....but probably not too realistic.
Ah, the truth comes out. "Can't do any worse than Bush." That's a great way to determine who to vote for. Will you be voting for Nader or Badnarik?
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Bush tried to AMMEND OUR COUNSTITUTION to prevent gay people from getting married...what has he done with border security on that level? Perfectly valid question if you ask me.
Are you suggesting that he propose an amendment to seal the borders? If so, go learn what amendments are, what laws are, and how our government works. Get a clue.

This is one big liberal circle jerk. You guys are pathetic.

This place is getting fiestier by the day!

I don't think replacing a known bad part with a "questionable" part is bad logic. A little simplistic, perhaps, but when you have such polaizing administrations like the one currently in office it removes much of the complexity from a decision as important as electing our next president. From my perspective (very subjective here so please don't trash me) all I see is alot of exucses for the miscalculations of the last 4 years. Some of it may be an accute expression of self-centeredness, some of it may be mere incompetence; I don't know. But the track record is certainly not one I'D want to run on.
 

lordtyranus

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Originally posted by: dahunan
What is more important

Keeping your homophobia strong

or keeping your borders secure

The former. Judging by the Louisiana vote, clearly a large portion of our country feels the same.
 

CycloWizard

Lifer
Sep 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: jjzelinski
This place is getting fiestier by the day!

I don't think replacing a known bad part with a "questionable" part is bad logic. A little simplistic, perhaps, but when you have such polaizing administrations like the one currently in office it removes much of the complexity from a decision as important as electing our next president. From my perspective (very subjective here so please don't trash me) all I see is alot of exucses for the miscalculations of the last 4 years. Some of it may be an accute expression of self-centeredness, some of it may be mere incompetence; I don't know. But the track record is certainly not one I'D want to run on.
Regardless of Bush's failings, this comparison is invalid. It doesn't matter what color you paint it, how you try to dress it up, or how much cologne you put on it - it's still an inherently faulty comparison intended for one thing: liberal circle jerk.
 

dmcowen674

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Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Originally posted by: dahunan
What is more important

Keeping your homophobia strong

or keeping your borders secure

The former. Judging by the Louisiana vote, clearly a large portion of our country feels the same.

Exactly.

78% of the Louisiana Voters voted for the Gay Marriage and Civil Union Ban.

I have family members worried about Gays bashing in their front door that they are going to convert them to Gay. Kid you not.


 

cKGunslinger

Lifer
Nov 29, 1999
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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Regardless of Bush's failings, this comparison is invalid. It doesn't matter what color you paint it, how you try to dress it up, or how much cologne you put on it - it's still an inherently faulty comparison intended for one thing: liberal circle jerk.
Which is reinforced by the lack of responses to valid points. "Dammit, stop quoting Kerry and showing Bush's record - I'm trying to rub one out here!" :p
 

CycloWizard

Lifer
Sep 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Regardless of Bush's failings, this comparison is invalid. It doesn't matter what color you paint it, how you try to dress it up, or how much cologne you put on it - it's still an inherently faulty comparison intended for one thing: liberal circle jerk.
Which is reinforced by the lack of responses to valid points. "Dammit, stop quoting Kerry and showing Bush's record - I'm trying to rub one out here!" :p
Haha... That reminds me of an 80 year old Indian professor I had for an undergrad class... "Does everyone have this down, because I'm going to rub it off now, you see?" The only thing that rivalled the amount of laughter that got was when a guy in the class spilled scalding coffee on his crotch. The professor asked why he wasn't going to stay for class and the student said "Because my balls are on fire!" It's a lot funnier when you consider the fact that the prof was about 4'10" and weighed 80 pounds and the student was a 6'5", 300 pound football player who the professor gave A's to because "he could smash me, you see."
 

raildogg

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i dont think gays are more of an issue, its probably just your opinion. there was talk about the borders and border security in the debates.
 

jjzelinski

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Aug 23, 2004
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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: jjzelinski
This place is getting fiestier by the day!

I don't think replacing a known bad part with a "questionable" part is bad logic. A little simplistic, perhaps, but when you have such polaizing administrations like the one currently in office it removes much of the complexity from a decision as important as electing our next president. From my perspective (very subjective here so please don't trash me) all I see is alot of exucses for the miscalculations of the last 4 years. Some of it may be an accute expression of self-centeredness, some of it may be mere incompetence; I don't know. But the track record is certainly not one I'D want to run on.
Regardless of Bush's failings, this comparison is invalid. It doesn't matter what color you paint it, how you try to dress it up, or how much cologne you put on it - it's still an inherently faulty comparison intended for one thing: liberal circle jerk.

Ok guide me by the nose here, how's the comparison faulty?
 

shiner

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Because some people are afraid that someone out there somewhere might be having sex and enjoying. So they have to stick their nose into the middle of things....hmmm.....probably not the best way to put it.....and try and tell people what they can do behind closed doors. So what if a couple of guys want to ah heck each other or a couple of gals want to get together and lick carpet. Let em....as long as they aren't hurting you then who the flip cares?

Then again...every once in a while something like this comes along and scares the hell out of straight people. ;)
 

dahunan

Lifer
Jan 10, 2002
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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Because some people are afraid that someone out there somewhere might be having sex and enjoying. So they have to stick their nose into the middle of things....hmmm.....probably not the best way to put it.....and try and tell people what they can do behind closed doors. So what if a couple of guys want to ah heck each other or a couple of gals want to get together and lick carpet. Let em....as long as they aren't hurting you then who the flip cares?

Then again...every once in a while something like this comes along and scares the hell out of straight people. ;)


I swear that is NOT ME .. lol .. good one. has me laughing out loud
 

Zebo

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Jul 29, 2001
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The republicans are the cheap labor party. ANYTHING they do can be traced back to cheap labor modivations and having americans "over the economic barrel". Not really enforceing the borders allows tens of millions of mexicans happy to work gruling work for nothing into our country. Americans want at least minimum wage or better and some benefits. Not going to happen.

The anti gay message is again about cheap labor. It's about delegitimizing the counter-culture which deviates from the conformist and conservative culture of the corporate middle class. It's too maginalize them economically with allowable discrimination though private tyranny.

Some other examples:

No tax on capital." Taxes are for wage earners. Which weakens thier buying power and power to start a business while capital just grows tax free like a snowball.

Privatized -- meaning funneling profits to wall street instead of the poor saps who need the benefit-- social security and medicare.

The continued export of American jobs to cheap labor cesspools in the third world.

"Free trade" allowing those cheap labor cesspools to dump products in the US.

Eliminate the minimum wage.

Emasculate work place safety.

Eliminate social spending so you are forced to work under horrid slave labor conditions.

Weaken -- if they can't outright eliminate -- organized labor.

 

cKGunslinger

Lifer
Nov 29, 1999
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Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Ok guide me by the nose here, how's the comparison faulty?
I'd say for the same reason comparing Kerry's Vietnam service to the thousands of people in Africa dying of AIDS. Which is more important? Which did Kerry discuss more during his campaign? OMG! Kerry cares more about his medals than the lifes of thousands of dying children! :roll:

See how you can take any two ideas and compare them to make things look bad for one person? See how irrelevant it is?
 

CycloWizard

Lifer
Sep 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Ok guide me by the nose here, how's the comparison faulty?
Because this is similar to saying "Bush wasted all his time cutting taxes rather than planning for Iraq." It's so blatantly idiotic that I don't even know where to begin. It's a complete non sequitur to think that gay marriage has anything to do with border security, that the congress can never handle more than one issue at a time, or that one issue detracts attention from another. In short, its flaws are infinite, and its basis is zero. No comparison exists.
 

dahunan

Lifer
Jan 10, 2002
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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Ok guide me by the nose here, how's the comparison faulty?
Because this is similar to saying "Bush wasted all his time cutting taxes rather than planning for Iraq." It's so blatantly idiotic that I don't even know where to begin. It's a complete non sequitur to think that gay marriage has anything to do with border security, that the congress can never handle more than one issue at a time, or that one issue detracts attention from another. In short, its flaws are infinite, and its basis is zero. No comparison exists.

REAL Importance versus TIME spent on each.

 

CycloWizard

Lifer
Sep 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Ok guide me by the nose here, how's the comparison faulty?
Because this is similar to saying "Bush wasted all his time cutting taxes rather than planning for Iraq." It's so blatantly idiotic that I don't even know where to begin. It's a complete non sequitur to think that gay marriage has anything to do with border security, that the congress can never handle more than one issue at a time, or that one issue detracts attention from another. In short, its flaws are infinite, and its basis is zero. No comparison exists.

REAL Importance versus TIME spent on each.
Do you have any evidence showing that Bush spent more time on one issue than the other? Where is your proof when you make such a ridiculous claim?