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Why are fobs not used for residential homes?

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What?

Every building I have used fobs for has it set up where it is effectively like NFC/PayPass. Meaning you have to be within an inch of the sensor.

You could not leave the pass in your pocket and unlock the door. Unless you lifted your pants up to the sensor or you are ludicrously tall.

I assume he is referring more to the keyless entry system cars employ, where the keys can be in your pocket and you just touch the door to unlock it. However, the car system is smart enough to know if the person on the passenger side has the keys and will not unlock until they touch the door. I can't imagine a similar system in the house not knowing if the keys are inside or not and just unlocking all willy nilly.
 
If I get you for this year's Secret Santa, I'll stop by Old Navy for you 😉

ahahaha, I am not in the secret santa thing. Being in Communist Canada means shipping would be crazy.

I am not sure I have any Old Navy cloth. Wife and kid, sure, me, not so much.
 
You could have both. Most fob doors typically still have a manual override for security reasons.
And all it would take is a low-power wall wart and two Eneloop AAs in there to provide lots of backup power.
Or of course have the option for direct 120V input if you're going to hardwire it.
Then add some additional utility: Since you may well have a source of 5VDC in there, stick a USB charging jack right there near the door frame.


(To whoever invents this and goes to market with it: Please at least have "Jeff7" placed on the inside of one of its injection-molded or die-cast parts. 😉)
 
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forget the FOB...

We should just get RFID chips surgically implanted with readers that will unlock the doors automatically...

The NSA will then keep a 'secret' database of when you enter/exit your home....

[/removes tinfoil hat]
 
There's tricks you can do with sensors. Nissan's smartkey system detects when you're inside the car, for example.

I think it's worth noting that all the car systems that I've been exposed to work really, really well. Not even sure how they've gotten it so precise. The ones that come to mind immediately are Toyota/Lexus, Nissan/Infiniti, Volvo, and BMW.

There are some systems that require the key to be in a slot that I would assume sees its presence in much the same way as a typical modern car key. In the case of the latter, there is an antenna around the mechanical lock cyl that picks up the 'chip' in the end of the key.

But for most, the fob must simply be inside the car. If it's in the passenger cabin, the car starts. Hold it a foot outside the door and it doesn't. That's all it takes...you can set the fob in the door pocket, and the car will start...with the door closed. But not when it's open. The auto unlock functions are similar- key in your pocket, door unlocks when you touch the handle. Key in the pocket of someone standing an extra step away...nope. It's pretty cool.

With cars, the reasoning is pretty simple...a lock cylinder is without a doubt the easiest part of a modern factory security system to defeat. I liked when Volvo came out with the key that was just a remote with a little plastic nub on it...it said, hey, this metal key shit is dumb; you can easily defeat it, but have VERY little chance of enabling the rest of the car without the presence of a programmed transponder key.

So what I wonder, is why exactly house keys ARE so simple in an increasingly paranoid world. Hell, even a cheap older car with a plain steel key is more complex...it's a lot harder to defeat even shitty cylinders with pins on both sides than it is most household locks with pins on one.

The answer is probably that there's just no reason. Car doors (assuming there's an actual lock cylinder there) still open with a plain, unprogrammed key. Why? Because it's already easier to just smash some glass than it is to defeat the mechanical lock. The same is true of your house; and since your house is not at risk of being driven away, what's the point of a 'smart key'? It's just a convenience with much more risk than reward. Forget computer-aided hackery to break into a house...all you'd need to do is stick a couple wires together to trigger the door's lock.

Cliff notes: you can't 'hotwire' a modern car, but you could hotwire a lock on your front door.
 
Cliff notes: you can't 'hotwire' a modern car, but you could hotwire a lock on your front door.

Well for us masses...yes, but a front door is just a kick in the jamb if you can't break a window and enter.

The powers that be are focusing on us not running.

Many mansions now have bomb-proof doors/walls/windows/and weeks of food/water/air.
 
If I built a house, I'd totally go with a fob system, would be pretty badass. The ones where the fob is built into an ID card. Then I'd just have a generic card that would act as a key. If I need someone to come to my house at a certain time to check on my cat while I'm gone or something, I could give them a card and activate it between certain times. If they lose it or w/e I can just disable it in the system. Same idea if I have a contractor. I could also make it so using a fob turns off the security alarm. So it saves me from having to give people the password to the alarm system. Downside is if a card is stolen I guess...

On the other hand, if the system fails, you're up shit creek without a paddle if it's middle of winter and your house is not letting you in. Just don't name the DSX panel "Hal9000". lol
 
Using a keycard for an office makes a lot of sense because it allows you to unlock multiple doors with the same key. Yet it also allows you to control levels of security clearance without having to hand out multiple keys for multiple doors.

House, not so much. You might have one or two different keys (front and side door), between a couple of people. You're not limiting access to certain areas of the home either. A conventional deadbolt works without relying on electricity or programming. Using a FOB isn't really much easier than using a key in this case.

An RFID card system isn't really going to enhance security all that much. They might be harder to hack than it is to pick a conventional lock. Though most crooks aren't the lockpicking type. Smart thieves are going to try the windows, and hit multiple houses until they find one unlatched. Dumb thieves are just going to kick the door in. All a lock really does is act as a deterrent. The money is better spent on a large dog to keep the crooks at bay.
 
I have keyed locks, but also have a keychain remote for locking/unlocking, arming/disarming, panic, etc. I can also use my phone or a computer to do all of that, plus the addition of controlling lights, outlets, thermostat, appliances, volume control, etc.
 
Dunno, but after getting out of my car and walking up to the door, I've hit the unlock on the car fob to unlock the doors.

I've also waited expectantly for lights to turn on automatically in a room at home.

😛
 
Dunno, but after getting out of my car and walking up to the door, I've hit the unlock on the car fob to unlock the doors.

I've also waited expectantly for lights to turn on automatically in a room at home.

😛

I accidentally hit the panic button on my keyfob the other day in my pocket. I was wondering what idiot would leave their car beeping that long until I realized it was the sound of my car's horn :biggrin:
 
I think it's worth noting that all the car systems that I've been exposed to work really, really well. Not even sure how they've gotten it so precise. The ones that come to mind immediately are Toyota/Lexus, Nissan/Infiniti, Volvo, and BMW.

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But for most, the fob must simply be inside the car. If it's in the passenger cabin, the car starts. Hold it a foot outside the door and it doesn't. That's all it takes...you can set the fob in the door pocket, and the car will start...with the door closed. But not when it's open. The auto unlock functions are similar- key in your pocket, door unlocks when you touch the handle. Key in the pocket of someone standing an extra step away...nope. It's pretty cool.

Yeah, it's pretty cool. I borrowed my parent's Nissan Versa the other day to pick up some large items that couldn't fit in my car. You just walk up near the car and press the button on the trunk lid and it pops open, which is REALLY convenient. I don't know if they have dual sensors or what in the door, but when you hop inside & turn the keyless knob, it starts right up, really nice! For some reason that extra little bit of convenience makes a bit mental difference in using the car haha.

I also like how Tesla does it - when you walk up, the car senses the fob and extends the doorhandles out to you. When you sit in the car, there's a weight sensor in the seat that tells the car you are inside. Then you just shift into gear & drive away (benefit of an electric car!). No pushbutton start, no pressing a button on the fob to lock or unlock, etc. Pretty nifty :thumbsup:
 
What?

Every building I have used fobs for has it set up where it is effectively like NFC/PayPass. Meaning you have to be within an inch of the sensor.

You could not leave the pass in your pocket and unlock the door. Unless you lifted your pants up to the sensor or you are ludicrously tall.

I think what would be a better idea for residential applications would be a ring chip or watch chip. That way when your hands are full of groceries, you could just walk up to your front door & bonk your hand on the sensor and the door would unlock automatically.

Although I did see one guy who had a wireless keyfob (like a car) for his house - you would press the button on the fob to lock or unlock the door, and the front porch light would blink twice like a car :biggrin:
 
I think what would be a better idea for residential applications would be a ring chip or watch chip. That way when your hands are full of groceries, you could just walk up to your front door & bonk your hand on the sensor and the door would unlock automatically.

Although I did see one guy who had a wireless keyfob (like a car) for his house - you would press the button on the fob to lock or unlock the door, and the front porch light would blink twice like a car :biggrin:

*chirp-chirp*

Also, couple the first idea with some Star Trek doors... *whoosh*
 
The convenience of being able to unlock my house without having to use some archaic key would be very appealing for all but the most paranoid.

I am not seeing the great increase in convenience. It might be a little more convenient to press a button instead of inserting a key but not by much. Plus your king ring would now be much more bulky because of the extra fob.

Maybe, if it was a more secure setup than the automobile version and the same fob could open both your car and house, I might consider it.

-KeithP
 
Electronic locks aren't for everyone they same way exotic cars aren't.

There is a huge advantage for someone that may have various staff/relatives/etc coming and going regularly to enable a temporary card/code or even unlock/lock a door remotely.
 
You can copy a key for $.99. I can rekey a lock for $5 at Lowes. (Schlage)

Any kind of technology in locks won't make it any more secure....plus I can leave the door from my garage to my house unlocked (attached) and I don't even need a key.

Anyhow....locks are for honest people. If you have windows, keys aren't really needed. Anyone can break in with a rock or a brick if they want to.
 
You can copy a key for $.99. I can rekey a lock for $5 at Lowes. (Schlage)

Any kind of technology in locks won't make it any more secure....plus I can leave the door from my garage to my house unlocked (attached) and I don't even need a key.

Anyhow....locks are for honest people. If you have windows, keys aren't really needed. Anyone can break in with a rock or a brick if they want to.

Yeah I remember installing longer deadbolt screws, and going all out, then it occurred to me, if someone wants to break in they'll just throw a brick or rock through the picture window. Or drive their car through the house.
 
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