why are commercial pilots salary so low?

Young Grasshopper

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i was just doing some research and found out a pilot straight out of training school get between 18-28k a year. is this true? that cant be right. i thought pilots were paid at LEAST 60k out of school. i mean its alot of responsibility.
 
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Originally posted by: Young Grasshopper
i was just doing some research and found out a pilot straight out of training school get between 18-28k a year. is this true? that cant be right. i thought pilots were paid at LEAST 60k out of school. i mean its alot of responsibility.

link to source?
 

Fingolfin269

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This is pretty much the truth. There are a ton of pilots out there and the good ones don't start making good money until a few years out of school.
 

Balt

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I don't think you're going to be flying the larger passenger planes right out out of flight school, so that probably has a huge effect on your salary.
 

Slew Foot

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If youre flying on DoucheyAir regional transport you dont make much. If youre flying 747s for united, you make loads.
 

Zeeky Boogy Doog

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Wasn't there a thread about this not too long ago? I think they get paid shit while racking up a bunch of required hours to get on the big airlines flying the big planes where they actually do make rather good money.
 

FleshLight

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The best/cheapest way to rack up the 1000 or so turbofan hours required by commercial airlines is to be a trainer who makes $18-28k or whatever.
 

mortong

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Nope, it's true. Captains in command for the big airlines make decent money, but it takes more flying experience at a smaller airline to even be considered for a first officer position.

While building experience, most pilots fly in the small regional airlines at fast-food wages. A career in the airline business usually isn't worth it unless you absolutely *love* flying. You have to be willing to rack up a massive debt and spend the next 5-10 years working for next to nothing for the privilege of flying.

Source 1
It's a Geocities site, but their info came from here

Largest connection carrier, "Express" or regional affiliate airlines starting gross monthly pay:
# American Eagle $1,800
# Comair - $1,650
# Chautauqua - $1,650
# Express Jet- $1,725
# Horizon - $2,175
# Mesa - $1,596
# Mesaba - $1,800
# Pinnacle $1,575
# Skywest $1,425
# Trans States $1,540
 

miketheidiot

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there are lots of losers who live to be able to fly airplanes for a living, so wages get pushed down.
 

iGas

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My sister bf is a pilot and he make $12.75 an hour when he first graduated. A year later he got $14.50 an hour, and now 5 years later after he is with another company (part of WestJet) ferrying people between Vancouver/Victoria and sometime take people to fishing/skiing/hunting lodges.....last time I heard he was making $16.00 an hour (he have been flying commercially for about 7-8 years).

The money is in jet planes and the common way to acquire jet hours is to join the airforce.
 

ja1484

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Originally posted by: mortong
Nope, it's true. Captains in command for the big airlines make decent money, but it takes more flying experience at a smaller airline to even be considered for a first officer position.

While building experience, most pilots fly in the small regional airlines at fast-food wages. A career in the airline business usually isn't worth it unless you absolutely *love* flying. You have to be willing to rack up a massive debt and spend the next 5-10 years working for next to nothing for the privilege of flying.

Source 1
It's a Geocities site, but their info came from here

Largest connection carrier, "Express" or regional affiliate airlines starting gross monthly pay:
# American Eagle $1,800
# Comair - $1,650
# Chautauqua - $1,650
# Express Jet- $1,725
# Horizon - $2,175
# Mesa - $1,596
# Mesaba - $1,800
# Pinnacle $1,575
# Skywest $1,425
# Trans States $1,540


fsck that. Hard to live off that, and you'd have NO fun money. You're right, you better LOVE flying.
 

Nik

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This is just like any industry. You don't go to school for software engineering and make 200k/yr your first year. You don't graduate with ASE certifications and make bank immediately. Ad nauseum.
 

ja1484

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Originally posted by: Nik
This is just like any industry. You don't go to school for software engineering and make 200k/yr your first year. You don't graduate with ASE certifications and make bank immediately. Ad nauseum.

...medical.
 

sjwaste

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Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: Nik
This is just like any industry. You don't go to school for software engineering and make 200k/yr your first year. You don't graduate with ASE certifications and make bank immediately. Ad nauseum.

...medical.

Where you graduate and make 40k as a resident for 4 years?

How about law? If you're not going to a big firm (read: most people) right out of law school, you're looking at 60k.

Being a licensed professional doesn't translate into automatic riches, it just raises the ceiling on your earning potential.
 

Nik

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Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: Nik
This is just like any industry. You don't go to school for software engineering and make 200k/yr your first year. You don't graduate with ASE certifications and make bank immediately. Ad nauseum.

...medical.

A nurse makes 200k a year? Where? Doctors go to school for 8 years, pilots do not.
 

iGas

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Originally posted by: sjwaste
Originally posted by: ja1484
Originally posted by: Nik
This is just like any industry. You don't go to school for software engineering and make 200k/yr your first year. You don't graduate with ASE certifications and make bank immediately. Ad nauseum.

...medical.

Where you graduate and make 40k as a resident for 4 years?

How about law? If you're not going to a big firm (read: most people) right out of law school, you're looking at 60k.

Being a licensed professional doesn't translate into automatic riches, it just raises the ceiling on your earning potential.
60K is exceptional for law school. Most of my friends that graduated from law aren't practicing law because the pay is dismal. And, I'm sorry to bust ja1484 bubble, in Canada family doctors aren't taking home anywhere near 100K after all expense, and IT people including my brother that is a manager at IBM with 20 years experience wage is just over 100K.

<--- plumber/gas fitter make 65% more than the old IT job with 5 years of school and 5 years of experience.

 

Modelworks

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They really do deserve to be paid more. Along with the technical details think of what it does to your family/personal life. It isn't like you get to be at home often.
 

anfernyDC

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look bout right, taxi cab driver be harder then air plane cuz pilot like just fly straight most of time, got autopilot too, it sweet job tho just sit there playin some gameboy and free rides to bangkok, dont even need to worry bout the money
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: anfernyDC
look bout right, taxi cab driver be harder then air plane cuz pilot like just fly straight most of time, got autopilot too, it sweet job tho just sit there playin some gameboy and free rides to bangkok, dont even need to worry bout the money

:confused:

What the hell did you just try to say?
 

boomerang

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You guys do realize that people employed in the airline industry (pilots included) have been taking pay and benefit cuts for the past several decades - right?

Lots of bankruptcies and consolidations in the industry.

It's coming to a career near you too. Low wages is the new high wages.
 

Modelworks

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: anfernyDC
look bout right, taxi cab driver be harder then air plane cuz pilot like just fly straight most of time, got autopilot too, it sweet job tho just sit there playin some gameboy and free rides to bangkok, dont even need to worry bout the money

:confused:

What the hell did you just try to say?

I was worried I was getting old and it was some new L33t Teen speak.
Glad to see I am not alone.
 

MotF Bane

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Originally posted by: anfernyDC
look bout right, taxi cab driver be harder then air plane cuz pilot like just fly straight most of time, got autopilot too, it sweet job tho just sit there playin some gameboy and free rides to bangkok, dont even need to worry bout the money

For a moment, I thought rcxEric was back, but it's just not the same. :(
 

Nik

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Originally posted by: anfernyDC
look bout right, taxi cab driver be harder then air plane cuz pilot like just fly straight most of time, got autopilot too, it sweet job tho just sit there playin some gameboy and free rides to bangkok, dont even need to worry bout the money

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