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Why are certain ethnicities more sensitive about ethnic jokes than others?

isasir

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Well, let me get this out of the way first - I'm Indian. As such, on TV, Indians are generally taxi drivers or 7-11 owners with bad accents - not really the most pleasing of portrayals. Now, most of the Indians I know, really don't care too much about this negative stereotype on TV, unless you were to come directly to our faces and do make these comments. Hell, I think most Indians are guilty of imitating the same "Apu" accent at some point as a joke.

However, just the other day I heard on the radio that some members of the Italian community were making a big fuss about "Growing up Gotti" since it apparently portrays Italians poorly. If they were making a big fuss about it being a horrible show, that's one thing, but hell, they've also had issue with The Sopranos.

A lot of African Americans are also sensitive about any negative stereotypes portrayed about them.

For the most part, I've noticed that many caucasians aren't bothered by redneck/cracker etc. comments, at least not to a great extent.

I'm just wondering about theories why some groups on a whole seem more sensitive. One reason I figure is that, all communities have these people that of course have issues with these negative stereotypes. However, some just are better at getting media coverage for it.

Another theory I had was that some people are just comfortable with themselves and their ethnicity, that negative stereotypes don't really bother them. In my own case, most of my Indian friends, and myself, have turned out pretty successful. If some TV producer wants to show us as a cab driver, then that's fine, there's plenty of Indians that are cab drivers. Meanwhile, I'll work at my high paying job and just laugh along with everyone else and not give it much of a second thought next time I see an Indian cab driver on TV.
 

yllus

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We "brown people" aren't very media-savvy yet. We probably should care a little more about the negative stereotyping that takes place in the media.
 

isasir

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Originally posted by: yllus
We "brown people" aren't very media-savvy yet. We probably should care a little more about the negative stereotyping that takes place in the media.

Do you think this is the reason though? I mean, maybe it's just me personally, but I don't care too much if I see an Indian cab driver character on TV. My main concern is that, if you're going to have an Indian character on TV, at least hire an Indian actor!
 

mobobuff

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Last year I was hanging out with a guy I know from Detroit. He's a med student and he's Indian, he loves Indian stereotype jokes and has a nice laugh at them, he also loves any Simpsons' scene with Apu in it. Whenever there'd be an Indian joke he'd laugh and then tell me why it was funny, and some additional Indian history. He was an all-around relaxed and cool guy, albeit a little of a know-it-all sometimes. :) I admired his ability to have humility about his culture.

I used to laugh at all the white jokes that black stand-up comedians would make. Of course this was back in the early 90s when white jokes weren't 99% of all black comedian's material, such as it is today.
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: isasir
Originally posted by: yllus
We "brown people" aren't very media-savvy yet. We probably should care a little more about the negative stereotyping that takes place in the media.
Do you think this is the reason though? I mean, maybe it's just me personally, but I don't care too much if I see an Indian cab driver character on TV. My main concern is that, if you're going to have an Indian character on TV, at least hire an Indian actor!
Well, that's what I mean - media-savvy as in our generation in particular probably should care about the stereotyping. Instead we shrug it off and worry about things we can affect more directly and locally. Perhaps some long-term focus in such areas would be helpful.
 

isasir

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I think it'd be great if we could all have the ability to laugh at ourselves and realize that ethnic stereotype jokes are generally funny because there's truth to them.

My original post is an offshoot of a thread of mine in P&N, in which I said the words "black community" not really thinking much of those words. However, I guess I hit a nerver with one poster, which confused me more than anything else.
 

MrYAK

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i think everyone needs to grow up and stop being so GD sensitive about everything. if ppl think thats how all Italians act like, well then they are just flat out retarded. everything is too sensitive for everyone now a'days. ppl need a reality check and stop b!tching about stupid sh!it that has no matter to it.....IMO.

if ppl want to keep on thinking stereotypes is how ppl really act, then i think they shoud be shot.....IMO again.
 
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It really depends on many factors. I know a lot of black folk that don't care, and are just people, I've also known a lot that are just purely bigoted about anything that doesn't give them free reign of thier "culture" (most have never been ouside of thier own county). I know several white folk that don't care, and are just people, I've also known a lot that are just purely bigoted about anything that doesn't make white people the center of the universe. I know hispanics that think everyone in Texas should learn to speak spanish and celebrate cinco de mayo, and I know some who came here from Mexico and truly intergrated themselves as regular U.S. citizens. one of my best friends growin up was Indian, him and his direct family where just "regular joes" his uncle seemed to completely segregate his family into thier own little Indian world. (they where the only 2 Indian families in our small community, so I'm pretty sure niether are a complete model of the Indian culture in the States)
 

Baked

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Because there's a thin line between telling a joke and being a racist.
 

MaxDSP

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Originally posted by: isasir
I think it'd be great if we could all have the ability to laugh at ourselves and realize that ethnic stereotype jokes are generally funny because there's truth to them.

My original post is an offshoot of a thread of mine in P&N, in which I said the words "black community" not really thinking much of those words. However, I guess I hit a nerver with one poster, which confused me more than anything else.

That's exactly what people need to realize (I'm Indian too btw). Asians (Indians included) in particular are the ones that really don't give a sh!t about stereotypes in the media...cause a lot of it is grounded in reality. Indian people DO talk like that, they DO own 7-11s, they do drive cabs. I have many Asian friends (filipino, vietnamese, etc) and the jokes go back and forth with me making fun of their race and them making fun of Indians.
 

isasir

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Originally posted by: yllus
Well, that's what I mean - media-savvy as in our generation in particular probably should care about the stereotyping. Instead we shrug it off and worry about things we can affect more directly and locally. Perhaps some long-term focus in such areas would be helpful.

I see what you're saying and I don't think it's a bad idea, but at the same time, I don't know if it's necessary. I think Indians are starting to be portrayed a bit more positive on TV, and perhaps, this is due more in part to the community on the whole being so successful. There's the Indian doctor on ER, and while Kumar from Harold and Kumar isn't exactly the most positive of characters, he was a smart guy in the movie. :D

When people don't make a big fuss about something, those who are cracking the jokes don't get the desired negative response, and in turn probably lose interest in pushing the negative stereotype. Imagine how boring some of these Anandtech threads would be if there wasn't someone coming in who's overly sensitive to the topic. :)
 

mobobuff

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Originally posted by: isasir
Originally posted by: yllus
Well, that's what I mean - media-savvy as in our generation in particular probably should care about the stereotyping. Instead we shrug it off and worry about things we can affect more directly and locally. Perhaps some long-term focus in such areas would be helpful.

When people don't make a big fuss about something, those who are cracking the jokes don't get the desired negative response, and in turn probably lose interest in pushing the negative stereotype. Imagine how boring some of these Anandtech threads would be if there wasn't someone coming in who's overly sensitive to the topic. :)

Couldn't agree more!
 

jai6638

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Well, let me get this out of the way first - I'm Indian. As such, on TV, Indians are generally taxi drivers or 7-11 owners with bad accents - not really the most pleasing of portrayals. Now, most of the Indians I know, really don't care too much about this negative stereotype on TV, unless you were to come directly to our faces and do make these comments. Hell, I think most Indians are guilty of imitating the same "Apu" accent at some point as a joke

Why can't they potray us Indians as good businessmen, doctors or engineers ( regardless of language barriers ) ??

I guess thats what stereotyping is all about... It really doesnt make much of a difference to us probably coz we're used to it and are indifferent to the opinons of others........
 

MaxDSP

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Originally posted by: isasir
Originally posted by: yllus
Well, that's what I mean - media-savvy as in our generation in particular probably should care about the stereotyping. Instead we shrug it off and worry about things we can affect more directly and locally. Perhaps some long-term focus in such areas would be helpful.

I see what you're saying and I don't think it's a bad idea, but at the same time, I don't know if it's necessary. I think Indians are starting to be portrayed a bit more positive on TV, and perhaps, this is due more in part to the community on the whole being so successful. There's the Indian doctor on ER, and while Kumar from Harold and Kumar isn't exactly the most positive of characters, he was a smart guy in the movie. :D

When people don't make a big fuss about something, those who are cracking the jokes don't get the desired negative response, and in turn probably lose interest in pushing the negative stereotype. Imagine how boring some of these Anandtech threads would be if there wasn't someone coming in who's overly sensitive to the topic. :)


We're portrayed that way in the media, but in real life, I more often hear Indians associated with good jobs like being businessmen/women, IT professionals, doctors, etc than I do about 7-11 owners or cab drivers.
 

jai6638

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sorry to thread crap but ..

Q. Who is the co-founder of Sun Microsystems?
A. Vinod Khosla

Q. Who is the creator of Pentium chip (needs no introduction as 90% of the
today's computers run on it)?
A. Vinod Dahm

Q. Who is the third richest man on the world?
A. According to the latest report on Fortune Magazine, it is Aziz Premji,
who is the CEO of Wipro Industries. The Sultan of
Brunei is at 6th position now.

Q. Who is the founder and creator of Hotmail (Hotmail is world's No.1 web
x-udd email program)?
A. Sabeer Bhatia

Q. Who is the president of AT & T-Bell Labs (AT & T-Bell Labs is the creator
of program languages such as C, C++, Unix
to name a few)?
A. Arun Netravalli

Q. Who is the GM of Hewlett Packard?
A. Rajiv Gupta

Q. Who is the new MTD (Microsoft Testing Director) of Windows 2000,
responsible to iron out all initial problems?
A. Sanjay Tejwrika

Q. Who are the Chief Executives of CitiBank, Mckensey & Stanchart?
A. Victor Menezes, Rajat Gupta, and Rana Talwar.


We Indians are the wealthiest among all ethnic groups in America, even
faring better than the whites and the natives.

There are 3.22 millions of Indians in USA (1.5% of population). YET,

* 38% of doctors in USA are Indians.

* 12% scientists in USA are Indians.

* 36% of NASA scientists are Indians.

* 34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.

* 28% of IBM employees are Indians.

* 17% of I! NTEL sci entists are Indians.

* 13% of XEROX employees are Indians.


Some of the following facts may be known to you. These facts were recently
published in a German magazine, which deals with WORLD HISTORY FACTS ABOUT
INDIA.


1. India never invaded any country in her last 1000 years of history.

2. India invented the Number system. Zero was invented by Aryabhatta.

3. The world's first University was established in Takshila in 700BC. More
than 10,500 students from all over the world
studied more than 60 subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the
4th century BC was one of the greatest achievements
of ancient India in the field of education.

4. According to the Forbes magazine, Sanskrit is the most suitable language
for computer software.

5. Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans.

6. Although western media portray modern images of India as poverty striken
and underdeveloped through political
corruption, India was once the richest empire on earth.

7. The art of navigation was born in the river Sindh 5000 years ago. The
very word "Navigation" is derived from the Sanskrit
word NAVGATIH.

8. The value of pi was first calculated by Budhayana, and he explained the
concept of what is now known as the Pythagorean
Theorem.British scholars have last year (1999) officially published that
Budhayan's works dates to the 6th Century which
is long before the European mathematicians.

9. Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from India. Quadratic equations
were by Sridharacharya in the 11th Century; the
largestnumbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Indians
used numbers as big as 53.

10. According to the Gemological Institute of America, up until! 1896, India
was the only source of diamonds to the world.

11. USA based IEEE has proved what has been a century-old suspicion amongst
academics that the pioneer of wireless
communication was Professor Jagdeesh Bose and not Marconi.

12. The earliest reservoir and dam for irrigation was built in Saurashtra.

13. Chess was invented in India.

14. Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he and health
scientists of his time conducted surgeries like cesareans,
cataract, fractures and urinary stones. Usage of anaesthesia was well
known in ancient India.

15. When many cultures in the world were only nomadic forest dwellers over
P00 years ago, Indians established Harappan
culture in Sindhu Valley (Indus Valley Civilisation).

16. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in India in 100
1/4.

"India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever
having to send a single soldier across her border" - Hu Shih (former Chinese
ambassador to USA)

click here for the whole thing

I dont mean to boast but look at the achievements of the indians above.. i bet now im gonna have people tell me like in the other forum that it reflects poorly on the condition of India as this results in a brain drain..
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: JoeKing
Originally posted by: her209
Sometimes, stereotypes are good too.

wtf are you smoking? There is no such thing as a good stereotype. Name one please.

I bet black men would say the stereotype of size would be a plus.