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Why are car manus so greedy??

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KokomoGST

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Here's another example of greedy corporate idiots... why is it that car manufacturers only acknowledge these things only much much after then fact. Is there watchdog group that fights for the consumer in these all too frequent cases?
 
Whew, this is kinda big IMO. In this case it's going to take a class action for David to knock off Goliath. A lone litigant wouldn't have a chance in court against such a foe. This is big! :Q
 
It's because todays society is "It's not my fault."
People bitch and whin that they don't keep their receipts. First things I have to say to them is,:"Well you just learned an expensive leason."
Next is if you got your oil changed at Jiffy Lube or Texaco or where ever they have records, they can reprint your receipt.
 
Hey sbastedo, why don't you try reading the ENTIRE article. If you had you would have seen this:

Alemany said she showed her dealer oil change receipts from Jiffy Lube showing that she had changed the oil in the Sienna regularly.



 
JeffreyLebowsk: See the above above post!
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<< greedy corporate idiots... >>



Nice try. More like, "stupid lawmakers and EPA idiots." If you had actually READ the article, you would have noticed this little nugget...

"We believe Toyota reduced the size of cooling passages to the cylinder heads in those engines in order to increase combustion temperatures for more of a complete burn to reduce exhaust emissions," Perry said.

Remember that emissions standards are set not by Toyota or the other "greedy corporations," but by lawmakers. Expect more of the same types of engine problems if higher CAFE and emissions standards go into effect.



 
I've always heard that Toyota customer service has a reputation for being....how should I put this...horrible

This isn't good for their image, that's for sure, regardless if they make some of the most reliable cars out there.
 
Perhaps you guys didn't read the entire article. Tsk tsk. 🙂


<< "I might not have done oil changes every 4,000 miles," she said. "I have some at 4,000 and some at 6,000 - but I have had oil changes. But they wouldn't accept my Jiffy Lube receipts." >>


Edit: Oops, I read slowly.

sbastedo, from the article again:


<< Toyota and Lexus owners manuals stipulate oil changes every 7,500 miles or six months, whichever comes first, under normal driving conditions, and 5,000 miles or four months under severe driving conditions. >>

 
she said 4,000 to 6,000 miles. All the companies say 3,000 miles. Lets see 3,000 != 6,000. Ok she didn't change it like she was supposed to, i.e. it was her fault.
 
First of all, repost.

Second:

<<she took the Sienna back to Kendall for service because the oil indicator light stayed illuminated.>>

RED FLAG! She drove the car WITH THE OIL LIGHT ON! It's a NO PRESSURE warning light, not a low pressure warning light. Any idiot should know that when the oil light comes on you put the tranny in neutral and shut the engine off NOW! I said it in the last thread and I'll say it again, it's not Toyota's fault that idiots don't maintain their vehicles. I hate seeing machinery abused like that, it's like the people who use their keyboards as placemats and collecting trays for crumbs, then complain becuase the keyboard doesn't last. IMO anyone who doesn't change the oil every 3,000 miles is taking unnecessary risks. Also, what's the big deal with 260 degree cylinder head temperatures? That's nothing. Old aircooled VW and Porsche engines will run 250-270 degrees on the heads all day. Big freakin' deal.

So, to answer your question with a question; why is it that people aren't smart enough to keep their machines in proper repair?

ZV

EDIT: <<Alemany said she showed her dealer oil change receipts from Jiffy Lube showing that she had changed the oil in the Sienna regularly.>>

OK, first of all 4,000 to 6,000 miles is NOT regularly. Second, Jiffy Lube is not exactly a high quality service station. Any place that recommends PTFE oil additives is suffering from anal-cranial inversion. Technically though she did hold up that part of the bargain though since Toyota says 7,500 miles (bullsh!t if you want the car to last past 100,000 miles, but that's another rant). Still, anyone stupid enough to drive with the oil light on has to be making other brain-dead decisions in maintenance.
 
Alright sbastedo: I did read the entire article, BUT YOU OBVIOUSLY DID NOT. Nice selective pasting you have.

Direct quote:Toyota and Lexus owners manuals stipulate oil changes every 7,500 miles or six months, whichever comes first, under normal driving conditions, and 5,000 miles or four months under severe driving conditions.

So you are both wrong.....try again!
 


<< anyone who doesn't change the oil every 3,000 miles is taking unnecessary risks. >>


I agree, BUT when the manufacturer says "Toyota and Lexus owners manuals stipulate oil changes every 7,500 miles or six months, whichever comes first, under normal driving conditions, and 5,000 miles or four months under severe driving conditions." then the owners of the vehicles have followed the recommended maint.
 
I still say its not Toyota's fault. It doesn't say anything on a boxed processor kit about cleaning the dust off your fan, but if it buids up too much and frys your system its still your fault for improper maintanence not the manufacture's falut.
 
why, when you benefit maximize, its alright, but when a company benefit maximizes, its greed?
 
You're blaming lawmakers for a car manufacturer's bad engineering? This is just the latest example of corporate structures refusing to take responsibility for engineering mistakes. So what if the EPA and other lawmaking bodies regulate the industry to have certain standards, other car engines don't have the same problem since they obviously don't have this engineering flaw.

As Sundog said, read the entire friggin link. It is not normal for an engine to develop that kinda sludge, the article even says so. And it was "proper" maintenance according to the manual which should be the baseline. The main point is that this occurrence didn't just happen to her, but to many many other people and was well-documented and happened even despite following the maintenance schedule prescribed by the manufacturer. Heck, I bet some of those Sienna owners got their service done at Toyota dealerships!
 


<< This is just the latest example of corporate structures refusing to take responsibility for engineering mistakes. >>



You're right. The entire capitalist world is run by "greedy corporate idiots who refuse to take responsibility for engineering mistakes," which is why communism and socialism, with none of those greedy corporations (that most of us in the capitalist world work for, and are paid by), has become the foremost economic system in the world.

 
<<It is not normal for an engine to develop that kinda sludge, the article even says so.>>

And if you read the article more carefully, you will find that the buildup is still not common in that engine series. Or did you just conveniently ignore this part, "We're not aware of any cases of oil gelling in properly maintained engines"?

ZV
 
Got news for ya Matt. A car that fussy about "maintenance" IS SUCK! That particular manufacturer is NOT going to skate because of some small print. They're likely working on damage control at this point. If they pay, it looks like they're taking the blame, if they don't, they look like an ogre. They're going to have to cough up the money at some point anyway, might as well do the right thing now...
 
The most telling comment was the independent guy mentioning that the temp was so high in the cylinder heads that the engine should be run on synthetic oil, cuz it's less subject to sludging than the less refined stuff.

Current thinking is that 5K between changes isn't a bad thing, saves $, & it saves the environment.
 


<< They're going to have to cough up the money at some point anyway, might as well do the right thing now... >>



Yeah, maybe if we're lucky, Toyota will get put out of business by the trial lawyers, sorta like what happened with Dow Chemical over the (completely safe) silicon implant fiasco. We'll sue 'em, bankrupt 'em, and give the lawyers billions. That'll show those greedy bastards at Toyota who's boss.
 


<< Got news for ya Matt. A car that fussy about "maintenance" IS SUCK! That particular manufacturer is NOT going to skate because of some small print. They're likely working on damage control at this point. If they pay, it looks like they're taking the blame, if they don't, they look like an ogre. They're going to have to cough up the money at some point anyway, might as well do the right thing now... >>

I was speaking in general. I don't maintain that those engines do or do not have problems.
 
Let's see. Which should I get. A V6 that has been on Ward's 10 best list for 8 years running, or a V6 that builds up sludge and having to pay for repairs.
I'll stick with Nissan 🙂 Driven 😀
 
If you worms expect the consumers to eat the cost of fixing those engines, you are INSANE! WTF is wrong with you? Toyota fan boys to a fault! They pay tens of thousands for a car, it pukes inside of a couple years and they're supposed to pay for the new engine? I DON'T THINK SO!
 
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