Why are Atheists so obsessed with hating Christians?

[Jeff7]

Oh man, I pay for all kinds of shit I am ethically, morally, and adamantly against.

Welfare, Social Security, Funding of "alternative healthcare" bullshit like chiropractors and homeopathy. I'm forced to pay for recycling in my county even though I am 100% against recycling. These are just a few things.

Covering homeopathic stuff...that's just plain pathetic. The only thing homeopathic medicine genuinely contains is bullshit, though I'm sure they'd also dilute that down to a few molecules per bottle.

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So in the case of healthcare and birth control, because the minority of business were not allowing it (and it was not a growing trend), I am against forcing them to pay for birth control. Especially because these women could get another job, and social pressure to find good workers would eventually lead them to ether fail or re-examine their policy. I call this personal responsibility.
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Or if we could somehow decouple health insurance from employment, this problem would go away too.
(Because I'm sure that most people also get their car insurance and renter's/homeowner's insurance from their employers. Lulz.)

When we talk about evolution in the classroom, again the christian argument is flawed. They want to teach religion in a science class. This is as silly as teaching science in a bible as literature class. Furthermore, evolution does not disprove or even attempt to replace god, it is a simple, logical, and actually observed phenomenon that we can document that deserves a place in science like gravity, physics, electricity, and biology do.

It just tends to keep doing what our pursuit of knowledge has constantly done: Keep pushing "god" into the darkness of what's still unknown.
Mount Olympus? Aerial and satellite images haven't found much of there in the way of gods. The Sun isn't in a chariot to get pulled across the sky.

"God does Thing X."
-- Science explores Thing X. God not found.
"Oh, well, God must be doing Thing Y, which leads to Thing X."
And so it continues, with the ancient superstitions constantly getting squished into smaller and smaller spaces.

Therefore, the obvious solution to this problem is somehow totally lost on everyone. Teach science in a science class, teach theology in theology class. A person's information will then be well rounded and they can make up their own minds (which seems to terrify people for some reason). The most important thing we can teach a person is critical thinking skills. Most creationists are dead set against this because critical thinking means evaluating evidence, and by their arguments all evidence must be discarded if it does not agree with their book.

Christianity/Judaism's book starts with punishment for disobeying a deity and eating from the Tree of Knowledge, and it encourages blind faith - believe something for which there is no evidence. Don't question, don't think. That's the first step to shedding religion, and they know it.

The explanation is simply that god allows the devil to fool us. With this taken as fact, then we can trust nothing in this world. We should not study any science, no medicine, no math, no physics. Who knows which of these things we observe is a trick by satan. A ruse planted to lead us from the path to god. This is a flawed and impossible argument. If left unchecked, it will lead to another dark age.

The Bible: Maybe that was actually written by Satan; truly his greatest trick.

So to me, when it doubt of a path, we should always side with personal freedom. I support personal freedom above all other morals. I define the limits of personal freedom only when it infringes on another's or when it hurts mankind/the planet as a whole. This is my cognitive dissonance I want unlimited personal freedom, but I also know that without the EPA my water wouldn't be safe to drink, without laws and police my city wouldn't be a safe place to live, etc. So I suck it up and I pay for things that are for the greater freedom at the expensive of a little of my own.

Sadly, the arguments I hear on TV for that kind of thing is, "Our food and water are already very safe. Why do we even need the EPA and FDA and other regulations?" Somehow, I guess it never occurs to them that the regulations are the reason that it's possible to drink tap water without worrying about dysentery or coal mine runoff. Many seem to forget that the good ol' US acted like China's acting now with respect to pollution: "You don't like drinking our toxic runoff that got into your drinking water? Shut up and go away. Just think, the more of it you drink, the sooner you'll expire and stop complaining. Win-win."

 

[mikeymikec]

How about forcing people who don't believe birth control is ok, to pay for other's birth control?

Freedom my ass, it was a flat out attack on christian establishments.

That's like saying that if a state employs black people in roles paid for by taxes, it's a "flat-out attack on white racists".

It's fine for someone to have their own personal opinion about birth control, but the moment they start making it public and saying that it's not ok for tax/whatever-payer money to be used in such a way, they end up directly foisting their beliefs on other people and saying that birth control is not ok. That's the problem here, if you don't want to pay for something which will benefit other people, you've got to give a reason why it's not right for other people to have it.

In an informed debate on the topic of birth control, whether or not it should be provided by state / basic health insurance (depending on which country we're talking about), the Christians would lose every time, because the benefits of providing birth control for 'free' are obvious except to those who think that birth control is somehow evil.

You are obviously clueless. A lot of hospitals are run by religious organizations, as are insurers.

And you are also misinformed about who stuck their nose in. These organizations were getting by just fine having NEVER paid for birth control until the fed tried to shove it down their throat this year. The only thing that made the fed back off is that it's an election year for Obama.

You mean "getting away it with just fine, until they had a big enough opponent to argue with them".

The point you are missing is that no one is stopping someone from taking contraceptives. Why force someone ELSE to pay for it who has always been against it? The alternative (which my be an alterior motive given the particulars of Obamacare) is to lose health insurance offered by those employers/providers, then they have to go on Govt plans.

The hard hat analogy is a poor one. This is more akin to making muslims eat pork at school lunches because the govt mandates balanced diet.

Because even people with poor money management can benefit by having access to contraceptives, positively affecting society in general, instead of having unwanted/unexpected kids. Do you have a better idea that doesn't involve the futile exercise of trying to convince said people to change the way they live in this respect? What about their freedom, considering how you feel that Christians' freedom is somehow under attack?

"Making muslims eat pork at school lunches" - how exactly do you think this insurance-provided contraceptive system will work, everyone gets in a line and the insurance provider gives out all the things they're supposed to, then they give out the condoms to everyone? Maybe you'll be cold-called by your insurance company, telling you that if you don't use up your allocation of contraceptives, you'll be in danger of losing your cover, or perhaps they'll come round to your door and say "USE THESE NOW! We'll be checking the contents of them when you're done."?

You are very misinformed.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...ion-exemption-for-catholic-hospitals-schools/

"The Obama administration today said it would move forward with a new mandate requiring most U.S. employers – including religiously affiliated hospitals and schools – to provide health care plans that cover contraceptive services for female employees free of charge."

Do you know what the word "new" means?

So you think it's ok for an employer to essentially force their views on an employee (or at least negatively affect the well-being of the employee by forcing them to pay for something that others don't) by picking a health care plan that doesn't include free contraceptives? Also consider the cause and effect going on here. No opinion forcing = no government policy. Uppity Christians = policy to reinstate balance.

What's the problem with a Christian having a health insurance policy that includes free contraceptives? That person doesn't have to use them or even see them. If the person is male, they probably won't have any problems with their ovaries, even though the policy includes some sort of cover for that. Should they shout "this policy is sexist!"? If the practising Christian in question happens to be a bit of a hypocrite, then they're probably putting the contraceptives to good use, rather than bringing another life into the world which is unwanted/unexpected/unplanned for.

Hey now you're getting it. That's the sort of freedom the founding fathers envisioned. Everybody leave everybody else alone.

Uhuh, because that's the way it's worked throughout history isn't it. Because Christians didn't start foisting their views on other people until they were under attack.

 

[Aikouka]

It just tends to keep doing what our pursuit of knowledge has constantly done: Keep pushing "god" into the darkness of what's still unknown.

I believe what he's really trying to say is that people are foolish to blindly disregard the big bang theory as well as evolution. Essentially, it's rather easy to just say that God caused both of them.

 

[Puppies04]

So if one believer uses the bible literally (not even the same passage) you can use it against all religious?

If I find one atheist who is opposed to gay marriage will you then stop blaming the religious for banning it?

If I find one atheist who opposes gay marriage that is the choice and opinion of one person.

If I find a passage in the bible which says all gays should be put to death (which I have already linked in this thread) then that means all christians believe that is true or they aren't really christians, as I have already stated more than once in this thread you cannot pick up the parts of the bible you find palatable and leave the other parts. There is no disclaimer just before genesis that says if you don't like part of this book feel free to ignore it, as far as you are concerned it is the word of god and must be followed to the letter.

 

[sourceninja]

It just tends to keep doing what our pursuit of knowledge has constantly done: Keep pushing "god" into the darkness of what's still unknown.
Mount Olympus? Aerial and satellite images haven't found much of there in the way of gods. The Sun isn't in a chariot to get pulled across the sky.

"God does Thing X."
-- Science explores Thing X. God not found.
"Oh, well, God must be doing Thing Y, which leads to Thing X."
And so it continues, with the ancient superstitions constantly getting squished into smaller and smaller spaces.

This is of course my hidden point. If you don't want to teach evolution because it goes against your religion, you probably should be campaigning to stop all science, because it will all eventually go against your religion.

Science explains the world, religion explains away the world.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

You are very misinformed.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...ion-exemption-for-catholic-hospitals-schools/

"The Obama administration today said it would move forward with a new mandate requiring most U.S. employers – including religiously affiliated hospitals and schools – to provide health care plans that cover contraceptive services for female employees free of charge."

Do you know what the word "new" means?

It doesn't mean that no insurance companies were covering birth control like you claimed, and it doesn't show that no employers were paying for said insurance.

So you failed.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Hey now you're getting it. That's the sort of freedom the founding fathers envisioned. Everybody leave everybody else alone.

Yeah, the founding fathers envisioned Somalia. You're welcome to move there any time you like. You won't be missed.

 

[SirStev0]

Because most of them are such absolutely mind-numbingly ignorant douches that it takes everything in our being not to hate them.

 

[pelov]

I'm not sure about the rest of you heretical atheist "On the Origin of Species" thumpers, but every morning upon waking my first thoughts are about how I can make a good god-fearing Christian's life a living hell.

Is that what you want to hear? Because it seems like that's what a lot of Christians believe. The reality is atheists don't care about them anymore than they do about Muslims or Jews or Hindus. I could really care less if the Pope announced that all Catholics must pray to Odin. although that would be super awesome

 

[bignateyk]

Because they're sending our country down the shitter and making us the laughing stock of the world.

I don't have a problem with Christians or Christianity in general. I have a problem with the fact that they think this country was founded by christians and that their religion belongs in decisions made in the government.

It's holding our country back in all forms of scientific progress. Also the fact they tend to be the most hypocritical people. I don't think I've ever met one who actually practices what they preach.