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Why are AMD cpus prices being slashed to heavily?

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lightmanek said:
Overclockers in UK have 1800X for £289 inc. VAT! That's less than I'v paid for my 1700 😀
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Wow that is dirt cheap. RIP the resale value of my 1700! This is partly why I wanted the 1600 originally, but they sat on that for like 2 months...

I wonder when the new Ryzen 12nm+ is coming out. Personally, I only expect a couple hundred more MHz from that, so AMD needs to up their game and get Ryzen 2 out asap.
 
I still expect Pinnacle Ridge in Feb/March 2018. If not then color me disappointed.

I would think max OC on Pinnacle Ridge to be 4.4 GHz for most chips. Might be IMC/IF improvements as well, we'll see.
 
DrMrLordX said:
I still expect Pinnacle Ridge in Feb/March 2018. If not then color me disappointed.

I would think max OC on Pinnacle Ridge to be 4.4 GHz for most chips. Might be IMC/IF improvements as well, we'll see.
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That sounds great to me! Looking forward to some delicious Fmax increases.
 
VirtualLarry said:
Oh man! If only I hadn't bought multiple Ryzen R5 1600 CPUs, I could have afforded that one.
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I wish there was a microcenter close to me. Drive time plus gas would eat up that extra $100 off. I have $300 in gift certificates from Newegg, so it would be $499 if I go that way. The refresh should be out early next year and I'm not sure if I want to wait or go with a 1920X and upgrade when it comes out. I'd like to see some real workstation motherboards too.
 
Finally in Australia, a number of Ryzen's have had significant price cuts.

The 1800x has had its price cut from $629AUD to $449AUD
The 1700x has had its price cut from $489AUD to $389AUD
The 1600x has had its price cut from $320AUD to $285AUD

With the above pricing, the 1800x makes the other Ryzen's a hard sell.
 
Coffee is paper launch. Ryzen needs price slash to convince gamers, especially the high end 17xx and 18xx series. If you look at the popular 1600, whose performance is on par with Intel in the gaming categories at the same price, price cut is only like 10 or so US dollars.

Also, older skylake are depreaciating quite a bit in price lately and the funny thing is, because it is pretty much the same chip as the newer kaby, it competes very well with ryzen in price. 6700k can be had for $270 for example. It is just pricing in response to Intel and market demand
 
I don't know if it's related to the price drops, but I've seen increasing reports of people getting lucky with 8c/16t R5 1600s, someone on reddit even got a 8c/8t R3 CPU a while back (failed SMT testing presumably). Anecdotal I know, still makes you wonder if AMD is 'accidentally' letting these chips out into the wild or if yields are so amazing they're going to drop the 1700 down to where the 1600 is currently.

Pessimistically this could be stock clearance before Pinnacle ridge and the prices for that will be about the same as where Summit Ridge stabilised at before this recent drop. There's no question Coffee Lake has brought serious competition and it will only put more pressure on AMD as the availability improves. Can't wait for the inevitable drip of leaks as PR approaches.
 
AMDisTheBEST said:
Coffee is paper launch. Ryzen needs price slash to convince gamers, especially the high end 17xx and 18xx series. If you look at the popular 1600, whose performance is on par with Intel in the gaming categories at the same price, price cut is only like 10 or so US dollars.

Also, older skylake are depreaciating quite a bit in price lately and the funny thing is, because it is pretty much the same chip as the newer kaby, it competes very well with ryzen in price. 6700k can be had for $270 for example. It is just pricing in response to Intel and market demand
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Wow, New Egg must be in the coffee business then. i5 8400, i7 8700 and 8700k are all in stock. And yea, it makes total sense that ryzen prices and even KL prices are falling because CL is not available. Lack of competition always causes price drops, right?
 
frozentundra123456 said:
Wow, New Egg must be in the coffee business then. i5 8400, i7 8700 and 8700k are all in stock. And yea, it makes total sense that ryzen prices and even KL prices are falling because CL is not available. Lack of competition always causes price drops, right?
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you do know these coffee chips on neweggs are all like priced 50-150 dollars above their msrp right? Supply is short, paper launch means supply curve is more to the left than where it should be in a regular launch. this led to an equilibrium at higher prices where the chips won't go completely out of stocks. At msrp prices, the paper launch will have shortages issues and hence out of stocks everywhere. it is available because of the price duh. its economics 101.
 
AMDisTheBEST said:
you do know these coffee chips on neweggs are all like priced 50-150 dollars above their msrp right? Supply is short, paper launch means supply curve is more to the left than where it should be in a regular launch. this led to an equilibrium at higher prices where the chips won't go completely out of stocks. At msrp prices, the paper launch will have shortages issues and hence out of stocks everywhere. it is available because of the price duh. its economics 101.
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I think you don't quite grasp what a 'paper launch' means. Limited supply doesn't mean a paper launch. How the heck can we have a CFL builders thread here if it was a paper launch?

The latest price cuts brings Ryzen more in line with the performance curve, especially for the previously much overpriced 1800X and to a lesser extent the 1700X.

Previously it made almost no sense to get a 1800X or 1700X over a standard 1700, now there is a valid argument to be made for these chips, and that is a good thing.
 
What we might think as AMD being pressured to cut prices might actually have then grinning when thinking of now versus the past few years.

The real question is this. What is a reasonable price for a fully functional 200 mm^2 CPU? Using GPUs as a guide, I'll say, under $150.

Intel over the years have conditioned us very well.
 
maddie said:
What we might think as AMD being pressured to cut prices might actually have then grinning when thinking of now versus the past few years.

The real question is this. What is a reasonable price for a fully functional 200 mm^2 CPU? Using GPUs as a guide, I'll say, under $150.

Intel over the years have conditioned us very well.
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Except a CPU isn't a GPU, and costs have this thing called R&D that has to be paid for. It's not just about the die size, people need to stop focusing so much on that.
 
WhoBeDaPlaya said:
Holy crap! MicroCenter just dropped their 1950X price to $699 😱
http://www.microcenter.com/product/483132/1950X

That's an INSANE amount of compute power for $699.
Now if only DDR4 prices would return to sane levels...
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This price can't be ignored. I have a friend near one of the stores in Cali and I am trying to get him to pick two up for me. I was having a hard time choosing between the 7920x and 1950x when it was $999. At 699 there is no question on which to buy.
 
epsilon84 said:
I think you don't quite grasp what a 'paper launch' means. Limited supply doesn't mean a paper launch. How the heck can we have a CFL builders thread here if it was a paper launch?

The latest price cuts brings Ryzen more in line with the performance curve, especially for the previously much overpriced 1800X and to a lesser extent the 1700X.

Previously it made almost no sense to get a 1800X or 1700X over a standard 1700, now there is a valid argument to be made for these chips, and that is a good thing.
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Oh God, incoming debate over the meanings of paper launch again.
 
Man they only launched around 50k CPUs to start. They only just now ramped up volume, and prices are still high from short supply.

It's like Skylake all over again, only with a month of virtually no supply.

Paper launch or not, it sucked for would-be Coffee consumers.
 
TheELF said:
Then call it a soft launch or whatever,paper launch is the wrong word for what that was.

#wordshavemeanings
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Soft launch and paper launch have been used interchangeably before, so why not now? Not that it matters. Most people will be able to get one at MSRP by January, I would imagine.
 
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