why are all the new monitors I try terrible for gaming?

[lehtv]

If you want a proper gaming monitor, get 120hz.

 

[toyota]

If you want a proper gaming monitor, get 120hz.

well yes but I would be perfectly happy with a 60hz monitor that performed like the old Dell S2409 or Acer H233H.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Yesterday's budget monitors are today's mid range.

Happy with my 120hz asus.

 

[lehtv]

well yes but I would be perfectly happy with a 60hz monitor that performed like the old Dell S2409 or Acer H233H.

Yes, I'm sure it'd be nice if a cheaper 60hz monitor would perform well enough for your purposes ... But I don't know of any monitor that'd address your issue in a foolproof way, other than 120hz monitors. Not saying there aren't any, just that 120hz would definitely look smooth

 

[Dice144]

Sorry at work, going to look on bestbuy for the model number.

 

[Dice144]

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/LG+-+IPS...&skuId=2031077

LG - IPS Series 23" LED Monitor

Model: IPS236V| SKU: 2031077

I got it on sale for 199. Looks to be on sale again for 229.

So far played LFD2, Battlefield Bad Company2, Everquest, The Withcer 2, movies. Love the monitor. It is head and shoulders above my older Asus 24" (sorry do not have the model # on me).

 

[BD231]

are you kidding? if you turn on vsync it will not improve screen response and if anything will make it more jittery if you are not maintaining a high framerate.

Some titles let you lock the refresh rate at 60fps which isn't bad at all IMO.

 

[toyota]

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/LG+-+IPS...&skuId=2031077

LG - IPS Series 23" LED Monitor

Model: IPS236V| SKU: 2031077

I got it on sale for 199. Looks to be on sale again for 229.

So far played LFD2, Battlefield Bad Company2, Everquest, The Withcer 2, movies. Love the monitor. It is head and shoulders above my older Asus 24" (sorry do not have the model # on me).

thanks I will add it to my list to check out. I am getting a bit nervous having to do returns to BB. they get your drivers license number and document every return even if you pay with cash. they do this even with exchanges too or even unopened products which seems a bit odd. I have returned returned about 5 or 6 things there this year so I am scared one day they are going to cut me off. lol

 

[WMD]

for those that do not know, my Acer H233H had stared flickering and crapping out on me so I had to trash it. it was fine for games and I never noticed jittering or blurriness when looking around in games. it had a 5ms rating which was nothing special.

I have now tried 6 new monitors and every one of them have ranged from bad to really bad for actual screen response. some of them have been almost disorienting when looking around fast. even just small panning around in the games will make a little jitter. every one of those have been 5ms or faster. and yes i know specs can be misleading but why are they all worse than my 3 year old Acer that was just mainstream monitor?

well today I decide to dust off the old Dell S2409 that I also had just to see how it is. I will be damned if it does not have hardly any problems at all being smooth in gaming. in fact its like a 120hz compared to the new garbage I have been trying out for months.

now please tell me how two 3 year old mainstream monitors with 5ms completely blow away anything new with a 5ms or better rating? it is not even close as the S2409 and H233H are excellent while the newer monitors make me want to throw up in fast movements and aggravate the crap out of me even when looking around.

Ghosting and blurring differences are hardly noticeable between most modern monitors 5ms and below. If they are all 60HZ there should be no difference in smoothness. If you don't vsync your games 70fps or 45fps on a 60Hz screen will have some jitter compared than 60fps due to the fact that the frames don't line up nicely. What you are seeing is probably this plus the effects of tearing. Make sure you are testing at the same spot in games and getting the same frame rate before passing judgement on the monitors.

If you find the Dell so satisfactory, why do you need to get another 60Hz TN panel?

 

[Caerid]

The problem here is that you're trying to get a budget LED monitor. They pretty much cut costs by going with a lesser quality panel. There's really not much reason to get an LED monitor unless it's true LED backlit and not what 95% of them really are, edge lit.

 

[toyota]

AGAIN the old Dell and Acer were cheap monitors and were just fine.

 

[Caerid]

And again I said budget LED monitor. I wasn't talking about traditional ccfl backlit ones.

 

[toyota]

Ghosting and blurring differences are hardly noticeable between most modern monitors 5ms and below. If they are all 60HZ there should be no difference in smoothness. If you don't vsync your games 70fps or 45fps on a 60Hz screen will have some jitter compared than 60fps due to the fact that the frames don't line up nicely. What you are seeing is probably this plus the effects of tearing. Make sure you are testing at the same spot in games and getting the same frame rate before passing judgement on the monitors.

If you find the Dell so satisfactory, why do you need to get another 60Hz TN panel?

I know full well what tearing is. I am ONLY referring to the jittering that would only be associated with screen response. turning on vsync fixes none of that and even makes the jitter stand out.

the old Dell had pretty bad backlight bleeding and a dead pixel that drove me nuts. I put the monitor in the junk room hooked up to an old computer a long time ago. lol, now some of the kids have jacked it up a bit by carving on it with a screwdriver. it works but its scratched up in a couple spots and annoying to look at.

 

[WMD]

Lets see. All the monitors you tested are 60HZ, TN and good response times.
The ones you like are the ones you have and are CCFL backlit. The ones that are terrible for you are LED backlit. I know being LED backlit probably have nothing to do with screen response but from it looks like LED monitors are not for you?

Edit: Poor screen response doesn't make a screen jittery. It just makes the image blur more when moving.

 

[toyota]

And again I said budget LED monitor. I wasn't talking about traditional ccfl backlit ones.

are any monitors fully LED backlit? the reason i like it because aside from one Samsung there was basically zero back light bleed on the LED backlit monitors. they also immediately resume and do not have to warm up.

 

[toyota]

Lets see. All the monitors you tested are 60HZ, TN and good response times.
The ones you like are the ones you have and are CCFL backlit. The ones that are terrible for you are LED backlit. I know being LED backlit probably have nothing to do with screen response but from it looks like LED monitors are not for you?

see my last post on why I want that though.

could LED back lighting actually impact screen response? was tweakboy right all along?

 

[Caerid]

LED backlighting itself doesn't have a direct impact on screen response. It's the cost cutting associated with implementing LED backlight that causes it.

Far as any monitors having true LED backlight I'm not really aware of any, maybe on the high-end. And yea I do appreciate the benefits of LED backlit monitors (I use one at work) but at the moment I'm not aware of any that are really worth using from a gaming stand-point.

 

[RussianSensation]

toyota, I heard good things about this Acer GD235HZbid monitor:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009222

Walmart sells it. I think they don't have a restocking fee for returns.

If you stretch your budget a bit, you can treat yourself to this nice 27 inch Acer.

LED backlighting itself doesn't have a direct impact on screen response. And yea I do appreciate the benefits of LED backlit monitors (I use one at work) but at the moment I'm not aware of any that are really worth using from a gaming stand-point.

You seem to be correct!

Based on Xbitlabs' article, it seems LED's main advantage is power consumption. It doesn't seem to improve image quality or response time or viewing angles or black levels per say.

 

[Grooveriding]

are any monitors fully LED backlit? the reason i like it because aside from one Samsung there was basically zero back light bleed on the LED backlit monitors. they also immediately resume and do not have to warm up.

I've usually found the monitors that have a slow resume time from sleep (really not that big a deal though) are ones that have a built-in scaler and OSD control.

My 3007 is instant to resume but lacks a scaler. My 24" has a scaler and OSD controls and takes about 10 seconds to come to life from sleep. Thing is a tank, it's four years old and still looks great; LG MVA screen. I just had to replace a couple of the caps on the power board because they were dying, should last a lot longer now.

For a while 24" monitors were all MVA or IPS, now very few are and it seems the quality of what is out there in that size has gone way down.

 

[Grooveriding]

Based on Xbitlabs' article, it seems LED's main advantage is power consumption. It doesn't seem to improve image quality or response time or viewing angles or black levels per say.

When reading about LED backlit HDTVs, I've seen it said that they cause a slight bluish tinge to what you see on the screen. I have never used one myself though and don't know if that carries over to PC monitors.

 

[tviceman]

as usual around here, everything as to be repeated over and over.

That's exactly how I feel when you try to challenge or call me out when I post benchmarks or personal experiences when playing games!

 

[Ferzerp]

Stop buying crappy monitors.

 

[toyota]

That's exactly how I feel when you try to challenge or call me out when I post benchmarks or personal experiences when playing games!

well you know we are going to go back and forth sometimes. you have your experiences and I have mine. now dont crap in my thread.

 

[toyota]

Stop buying crappy monitors.

thank you for your wisdom

 

[toyota]

toyota, I heard good things about this Acer GD235HZbid monitor:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009222

Walmart sells it. I think they don't have a restocking fee for returns.

If you stretch your budget a bit, you can treat yourself to this nice 27 inch Acer.



You seem to be correct!

Based on Xbitlabs' article, it seems LED's main advantage is power consumption. It doesn't seem to improve image quality or response time or viewing angles or black levels per say.

yeah but of the 6 or 7 I have used with it, there was almost no back light bleeding. screen was pretty much uniform where as every non led TN monitor I have seen has backlight bleed on the very top and bottom. plus i love the no warm up time so I really want LED backlit monitor if possible.