Why a new socket for Llano?

[grimpr]

Well, lets just say that time is of the essence. Considering that even slight temperature changes alter the system clock, i dont trust running services/apps and operating systems on 24/7 pc's without accurate timekeeping and windows time service...simply sucks compared to NTP.

 

[Scali]

Well, lets just say that time is of the essence. Considering that even slight temperature changes alter the system clock, i dont trust running services/apps and operating systems on 24/7 pc's without accurate timekeeping and windows time service...simply sucks compared to NTP.

I don't think that the average app or service really cares about being a few seconds or even a few minutes off. So it's not like everyone needs NTP on Windows 7.

Having said that, I actually work for a company that uses GPS-based timing for everything (we have developed our own GPS-based NTP hardware, among others... but NTP is not as good as our custom solution. NTP takes a long time to stabilize when a system is restarted).

 

[grimpr]

You're right at least for the majority of users, but to each his own small paranoia they say and considering that NTP is almost free with a strong support for Windows it doesnt hurt running it even on client everyday pcs, on enthusiast pc's i consider it strangely laughable running tight clocks on everything except the system clock, imho.

insert foreign humour -----> Well, looks that the company you work for, is dead serious. lol.

 

[ModestGamer]

Why would you need NTP on a regular home/office machine, or even the average workstation/server?

As for CPU schedulers etc... I don't think you even want to start that argument, when linux needs a custom-built kernel with unofficial kernel/driver patches for use as a Digital Audio Workstation, in order to get the latency down far enough to allow low-latency realtime audio recording/processing.
Windows does it out-of-the-box, and does it better than even the patched linux distros aimed at DAW.

I ahev run DAW's on both. No tangiable difference.

 

[Triskain]

On topic - I hope AMD will ditch PGA/ZIF sockets in favor of LGA sockets)

The original source says definitely no:

µPGA for Socket FM1, which is Llano's desktop socket.

 

[Scali]

You're right at least for the majority of users, but to each his own small paranoia they say and considering that NTP is almost free with a strong support for Windows it doesnt hurt running it even on client everyday pcs, on enthusiast pc's i consider it strangely laughable running tight clocks on everything except the system clock, imho.

This sounds a bit different from what you said before though:
"Windows 7 has more lame excuses for it, dont worry, one of the 1st things to do in a Windows system is install NTP on it and that, by itself, tells a lot."

That reads as if the lack of out-of-the-box support for NTP is somehow a sign of poor quality of Windows 7.

insert foreign humour -----> Well, looks that the company you work for, is dead serious. lol.

Accurate timing is a very important factor in our business. We have a lot of high-frequency data coming in from various sensors, and time is the common factor for all the data, to be used for computations.

 

[Scali]

I ahev run DAW's on both. No tangiable difference.

If you go below ~5 ms latency, linux' CPU load goes up exponentially (in order to get that low, you need to cut down the timeslice length, which results in more context switches, and thus increased CPU overhead). Windows can go < 1 ms without any problems.