Why a 10" Apple iTablet Makes Sense

Kaido

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I recently read an article on AppleInsider that claimed that Apple has ordered 10" touchscreens from Wintek for a mystery product:

http://www.appleinsider.com/ar...r_mystery_product.html

Hmm, I thought - what would Apple want with a giant touchscreen? Steve Jobs has said they're not ready to enter the netbook market. Apple is all about high prices and/or recurring costs, so a $300 netbook doesn't make sense for their business model. Plus it's a difficult niche for Apple - they'd need excellent battery life to power a 10" touchscreen with all the wireless connectivity options available.

So that got me to thinking - why would Apple build a netbook? Or rather, a giant iPod Touch. Well, the netbook market is extremely lucrative. The Atom processors are overkill for 99% of consumer needs (i.e. email, internet, youtube, insant messaging) plus they're cheap, portable (small), and get great battery life compared to regular laptops. But Apple isn't going to violate their business model, so they're not going to release a $300 - $500 netbook.

Plus, their laptop line is already saturated - they have 13", 15", and 17" laptops, plus the ultra-thin netbook-esqe 13" Air. What are they going to do, release a 10" netbook for $499? Nobody would buy an Air! So perhaps the Air is R&D - get things super thin and light, sell some to make money and advance the technology further. Their 17" Macbook Pro broke new ground in terms of battery life - it runs for 8 hours and is good for 5 years, plus I think Apple is making it themselves since it's a new type or approach to the battery. So they have some in-house expertise on good batteries and thin & light components. So laptops are full, desktops are full, not really any place to go with the iPod Touch/iPhone...they need something new & hot!

Okay, so it's do-able - but why? Who is going to use an oversized iPod Touch? You can't carry it in your pocket. Assuming it's a touchscreen and doesn't use a crazy little cramped keyboard the size of my hand (and knowing how much Steve Jobs hates buttons), it's not out to replace your laptop. After talking with a friend last night, the picture of "why" became clearer - there are a lot of compelling reasons why!

I couldn't imagine actually using a 10" all-in-one touchscreen tablet-thingy. Why would I hold it for 2 hours to watch a movie? But then...look at the Kindle. It's big and people hold it for hours on end, just reading. The iPhone has a Kindle app...how much more willing would you be to buy an e-book reader that was also an MP3 player, a video player, an Internet surfing machine, a GPS? Think about using it on an airplane - you don't want to lug out your laptop, you want to slip out a sleek 10" movie player with great battery life so you can actually watch a movie or two! And think about a Garmin or TomTom GPS on a a 10" screen using A-GPS? Yowza! My 3.5" iPhone doesn't cut it for an in-car navigational device (it's just too small!) but a 10" screen certainly would! (assuming it's a slim and sleek Apple device that wouldn't hog a ton of physical space at 10")

The iPhone is a tad too small to really watch a movie on...all you really need is a few inches bigger to make the movie-watching a better experience. Thus a 10" display. And of course multi-touch...Safari is nice on the iPhone, but still - a tad too small! A multi-touch 10" touchscreen with Safari would be amazing! Snow Leopard is supposed to have even more multi-touch capabilities built-in, so it looks like a definite possibility! Plus a GPS, and CoverFlow for your music, perhaps a fancy home entertainment remote control or smart home remote. I'm starting to see how this makes sense...but how much would it cost? I already have a desktop, a laptop, and an iPhone...and this thing would really need 3G to be useful, because it's an Internet device for the most part. Well, an AT&T informer said that Apple is set to sell these for $99 with a monthly contract:

http://www.itproportal.com/por...netbook-says-t-source/

Okay, first, $99 would be amazing. It would totally destroy the netbook market. Multi-touch with always-on Internet at that pricepoint would just be insane! Second, it fits perfectly into Apple's business model - either expensive or recurring. $99 is enough to sucker you in, then they reap the benefit of a monthly fee from you. The iPhone's 3G bill is $30 a month, so I'd say that's a fair price. Any higher and I don't think I'd care - if it was $49 or $59 a month, nah, I'll just use my iPhone, but for $29 a month, I could definitely swing that (it might even make a good case to drop the iPhone and get a cheap cell phone instead!). So Apple takes over the netbook market, Apple gets their profit taken care of with recurring monthly fees, and we get a cheap Tablet with everywhere-Internet for a low monthly fee. This makes complete sense.

So...we hold Kindles, we can hold a 10" screen. Probably won't have a keyboard. Could run OS X or a specialized version of OS X similar to the iPhone. Replaces your laptop for a lot of things. Great battery life. Cheap. 3G Internet wherever you go. Smallish monthly fee (affordable, that is). Apple dominates the netbook market. Happiness, rainbows, unicorns, and butterflies.

I can see it happening.
 

Panzer Tiger

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I hate this idea. Hey Apple, I like keys and buttons and inputs! Just make a regular netbook and I'll be happy.
 

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hopefully other cell phone providers do it. ATT network is old and slow.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: Panzer Tiger
I hate this idea. Hey Apple, I like keys and buttons and inputs! Just make a regular netbook and I'll be happy.

The problem is, why would anyone buy an Apple netbook? There's not going to be any value-added features other than OS X on it. I can buy a fully-featured MSI Wind for $299 (which can run OS X pretty well, too!), and you know Apple's netbook won't be that cheap because they said even $500 was too hard to do and still be quality. It'd be just another expensive netbook, plus it would compete with the Macbook Air.

It either has to be a 100% touchscreen, or a sliding/folding keyboard that doubles as a stand or something.
 

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Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: Panzer Tiger
I hate this idea. Hey Apple, I like keys and buttons and inputs! Just make a regular netbook and I'll be happy.

The problem is, why would anyone buy an Apple netbook? There's not going to be any value-added features other than OS X on it. I can buy a fully-featured MSI Wind for $299 (which can run OS X pretty well, too!), and you know Apple's netbook won't be that cheap because they said even $500 was too hard to do and still be quality. It'd be just another expensive netbook, plus it would compete with the Macbook Air.

It either has to be a 100% touchscreen, or a sliding/folding keyboard that doubles as a stand or something.

I think that if the price was around $600 or so, then many people would be interested in it. I know I certainly would be. I would be more interested in a $600 netbook that came with OS X and all the quality construction that comes with an Apple portable. Large trackpad, solid keyboard, good solid frame and OS X by default.

So, $299 for the Wind and then $99 for OS X, so $398. [I originally had put $400, but I release that can give a false impression that the prices were closer than $200]
Or, $599 for an Apple Netbook (MacBook Mini?). I would lean toward the $599 MacBook Mini, especially if it came with something other than the Atom which I think it would. 1-2GB of RAM, maybe a ULV processor? Or even not, they can fit the 1.6 & 1.8 GHz Core 2 into the MacBook Air, and that is an incredibly thin and small motherboard/enclosure.

People have been clamoring for a 12" PowerBook replacement for years, this could be it. Except even smaller and more powerful than the 12" was.
 

Pliablemoose

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I'm pretty sure it won't have a keyboard, the iPhone & iTouch have been insanely popular, if you want a keyboard, they'll point you to a notebook.

 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: TheStu
Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: Panzer Tiger
I hate this idea. Hey Apple, I like keys and buttons and inputs! Just make a regular netbook and I'll be happy.

The problem is, why would anyone buy an Apple netbook? There's not going to be any value-added features other than OS X on it. I can buy a fully-featured MSI Wind for $299 (which can run OS X pretty well, too!), and you know Apple's netbook won't be that cheap because they said even $500 was too hard to do and still be quality. It'd be just another expensive netbook, plus it would compete with the Macbook Air.

It either has to be a 100% touchscreen, or a sliding/folding keyboard that doubles as a stand or something.

I think that if the price was around $600 or so, then many people would be interested in it. I know I certainly would be. I would be more interested in a $600 netbook that came with OS X and all the quality construction that comes with an Apple portable. Large trackpad, solid keyboard, good solid frame and OS X by default.

So, $299 for the Wind and then $99 for OS X, so $398. [I originally had put $400, but I release that can give a false impression that the prices were closer than $200]
Or, $599 for an Apple Netbook (MacBook Mini?). I would lean toward the $599 MacBook Mini, especially if it came with something other than the Atom which I think it would. 1-2GB of RAM, maybe a ULV processor? Or even not, they can fit the 1.6 & 1.8 GHz Core 2 into the MacBook Air, and that is an incredibly thin and small motherboard/enclosure.

People have been clamoring for a 12" PowerBook replacement for years, this could be it. Except even smaller and more powerful than the 12" was.

The problem is, it would cannibalize the Macbook Air. The reports say that Apple ordered 10" touchscreens from Wintek, and I'd be willing to bet a 10" touchscreen netbook for $599 would be insanely more popular than the $1800 Macbook Air.

Also, MID devices are poised to take the spotlight next. Apple could singlehandedly take out MIDs & Netbooks with a $99 giant iPod that also has 3G.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I'm pretty sure it won't have a keyboard, the iPhone & iTouch have been insanely popular, if you want a keyboard, they'll point you to a notebook.

Yeah that's what I'm thinking. Or perhaps a keyboard that folds into a stand, but that'd be kind of...weird for Apple.
 

Pliablemoose

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I can see a stand and the wireless keyboards as accessories, fits with their marketing...

The existing BT keyboards would be perfect, I use one with my HTPC, it's beautiful.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
I can see a stand and the wireless keyboards as accessories, fits with their marketing...

The existing BT keyboards would be perfect, I use one with my HTPC, it's beautiful.

Exactly - they've already announced 3rd-party hardware add-ons for the existing iTouch/iPhone, so they're all set there. If it really had 3G and A-GPS, I'd be tempted to ditch my iPhone, get a much cheaper phone, and just tote that around in place of my Garmin, iPhone, & laptop.
 

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IMO 3g is too slow for anything beyond iphone-ish type devices without a major overhaul to the AT&T network.

I've never tried tethering though but according to http://www.testmyiphone.com i get .28 Mbps down (this is with 5 bars) and .15 Mbps up (5 bars as well).
 

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I'm just unwilling to pay a recurring monthly cost for a data plan on anything but my phone.

First, it's $70/mo minimum for a full voice-data plan from AT&T. Now even though I have a data plan, I'd pay ANOTHER $30 to add the new device? Why? Not like I'm going to use data on those simultaneously. If the current data plan doesn't cover it, I'd be hard-pressed to pay any extra. These wouldn't be complementary devices in use at the same time.

Second, the product as you described has an identity crisis. Is it a portable media player or is it a computer? 10" is too big to be solely a portable media player, so it damn well function as a computer too.

Finally, I'd be hard-pressed to lock myself into AT&T. I realize this may be geographic, but my fiancee's iPhone service is way too intermittent for the price they charge. I'm spoiled because I'm on Sprint SERO and $30/mo gets me everything, but the number of dropped calls and areas with no signal for her are something I wouldn't put up with. My company phone is on AT&T and it sits at home while I give out my personal cell # the service is so bad. I'm not in some rural area either, I'm 5 miles outside of DC.

So basically, if it were a true netbook, I'd buy it. A keyboard is a must. Second, I might be willing to pay a monthly fee for a subsidized unit, but not if it's with AT&T. I'm sure it'll be wildly successful even without my purchase, though.
 

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Yea.. I've had ok service here in Orlando, FL... but there are times when stuff just drops out. I never had that issue with Verizon. I'm not sure why AT&T has such as issue with their network.
 

Pliablemoose

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While I appreciate the technology, no way in hell I'm going to pay for another line of data, already pay for dsl, and phone data.

I might consider removing the phone data plan and using a net-tablet instead, but not in addition to what I already have.
 

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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
While I appreciate the technology, no way in hell I'm going to pay for another line of data, already pay for dsl, and phone data.

I might consider removing the phone data plan and using a net-tablet instead, but not in addition to what I already have.

Well you know that within a month, someone will have figured out how to tether it to the iPhone and use it for data :)
 

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they could downsize the Air to 10" ... wonder how many of those are selling, anyway?
 

QueBert

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a jumbo sized Touch would be the end for me. I misplaced my Touch a few days ago and just found it today, I was almost depressed when I couldn't find it. If they release a Touch Tablet I will be in line to buy it the day it comes out. And I'm NOT an Apple fanboy, my Touch and iPhone are the only 2 Apple products I've owned.

10" Touch would be like Crack to me :(
 

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Originally posted by: Kaido
"Apple is working on a portable, larger than an iPod but smaller than their laptops"

http://i.gizmodo.com/5207788/w...orking-on-new-portable

Macbook Nano/iPhone Slate caught online:

http://gizmodo.com/5067405/mac...caught-online-says-nyt

TechCrunch says Fall launch rumored:

http://i.gizmodo.com/5121277/r...t-ipod-touch-next-fall

June can't come fast enough :D

Indeed, if it could allow me to write notes well then I'm sold whatever the price (okay under $1k). Can finally become paperless!

One issue I can foresee is how are you going to sit and watch a movie with this thing? If there's no stand, then you will have to hold it in your hands the whole time while a laptop sits on your lap.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: Barack Obama
Indeed, if it could allow me to write notes well then I'm sold whatever the price (okay under $1k). Can finally become paperless!

One issue I can foresee is how are you going to sit and watch a movie with this thing? If there's no stand, then you will have to hold it in your hands the whole time while a laptop sits on your lap.

I was wondering about that too, but look at the Kindle - people will sit still for hours and hold that in their hands, reading from it. And if Apple doesn't include a stand, I'm sure there will be zillions of iStands available!

June can't come soon enough :D