• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

Why 2K is OK?

J

Jonitus

Member
Recently, I changed the configuration of my dually rig form ACPI to the other configuration. I was having serious problems with my system under XP, apparently because my motherboard is not fully ACPI compliant.

I changed back to Win2K, have my system set up as ACPI, and everything works well...better in fact than under XP.

Could it be that my motherboard is in fact ACPI complaint, but not with the new standard? Seems that XP practically demands the latest hardware in order to run properly (my mobo was manufactured in 2000).

I have noticed a dramatic increase in video performance under 2K...does XP really have that much overhead?

(P.S. ...AndyHui...nice way to incorporate a crude Russian term into a name..classic! Next time, try Zhopa!)

Any help you all can give me in answering my questions is appreciated.

Thanks all.
 
It never ceases to amaze me the number of people who post to this board with "my system's not behaving right, it must be ACPI!" without having the faintest idea what's going on or doing any troubleshooting.

Sigh.

 
Thanks for the crude insinuation!

I am going off the information given me by the BSOD. It clearly stated that ACPI BIOS was attempting to write to a protected memory area. So yes, I assumed it was ACPI. We can't all be as wonderfully intelligent and insightful as you, you smart a$$!

I wanted an answer to my question, not snide comments. There are other message boards throughout cyber-space that would gladly take your attitude.

It is people like you that make computers such a pain in the a$$. If you wouldn't flaunt your "knowledge", and actually try to help someone, we all would benefit greatly.

Computers are complex. They are at time confusing and mysterious. Sometimes, we each need help from someone.

But not you...no, you know everything!

Thank you for wasting my time and bandwith.

I may not be MSCE certified, but I know a damn sight more than you give me credit for. My determination was based on first-hand acounts, and the opinion of AndyHui, who's opinion means something to me (he is a moderator, afterall). He has been most helpful to me in the past, and I value his knowledge.
 
> It never ceases to amaze me the number of people who post to this board with "my system's not behaving right, it must be ACPI!" without having the faintest idea what's going on or doing any troubleshooting.

To be fair, you (Jonitus) didn't put as much information in your first post as you did in your second. I've shared NogginBoink's frustration with some 'newbie' posters, but agree that wasn't the most usefull of responses. So, how about a truce guys?

> Could it be that my motherboard is in fact ACPI complaint, but not with the new standard? Seems that XP practically demands the latest hardware in order to run properly (my mobo was manufactured in 2000).

I'm running XP fine on a slew of systems, some much older than made in 2k. There could be a specific incompatbility with your bios, does the manufacturer have any XP info listed?

> I have noticed a dramatic increase in video performance under 2K...does XP really have that much overhead?

Measured how/where (e.g. 3d games, desktop speed, etc). If it's desktop speed, turn off the eye candy so you can compare apples to apples. The short answer is no, XP should not be showing a performance decrease. Any chance your using 3rd party drivers under 2k and MS drivers under XP?

Bill


 
bsobel,

Under XP, I had all the "eye candy" turned off. The Luna interface was to me, unimpressive.

My mobo manufacturer does not have a recent BIOS update (most recent one is 12/4/2000).

I use a series of benchmarks for my ssytem, and record the results. My performance increase in 2K is as follows:

Matrix city screen saver

Windows XP - 94 fps

Windows 2000 - 173 fps

Seti@home

Windows XP - 8h42m/work unit

Windows 2000 - 6h56m/work unit

*for the video performance, both systems were set to 1024x768, 16 bit color, ATi Omega drivers for my Radeon 7200.
*for number crunching, I touched nothin'!

I have not yet run my system through SiSoft Sandra to guage any increase/decrease. I plan on doing this soon.

I try to keep my setting the same between runs so that my data is valid. As this is the case, I can't figure out why my system is more responsive and stable now. Everything is faster...everything. Even when I used TweakUI for XP, I could not achieve this level of performance.

At idle, under XP, with background programs running, my CPU usage (I have 2 mind you) was approximately 3%. With the same services running under 2000, my CPU usage never climbs above 1% at idle.

Perhaps I am missing something, or perhaps I fubar'd my XP install, but that seems unlikely.

I did nothing special for my 2k install, tweaked nothing as of yet. I only installed my drivers (the same ones I was using in XP (no, they are not certified, either for 2000 or XP)).

I was not trying to get into an arguement, I just hate the fact that sometimes, when someone asks a valid question, they get jumped on with terms like "newbie". I may not have much of a post history here, but believe me...I am not that green!

Impolite commentaries, foul attitudes, and "god complexes" are the main reasons my computer knowledge has not migrated where I want(ed) it to. I have a 4 disc set of FreeBSD 4.5 setting on my desk, waiting for me. Alas, I guess it'll have to wait until I figure this intriguing mystery out.
 


<< Thanks for the crude insinuation!

I am going off the information given me by the BSOD. It clearly stated that ACPI BIOS was attempting to write to a protected memory area. So yes, I assumed it was ACPI. We can't all be as wonderfully intelligent and insightful as you, you smart a$$! >>



Uh... no BSOD will ever say ACPI BIOS was attempting to write to a protected memory area.

I'm assuming you're instead referring to something you're seeing in your system event log. This event and any BSODs you may be experiencing are probably unrelated. This message in the event log does indeed indicate that your BIOS is not fully ACPI compliant. (Most of the time it can be safely ignored, but your best bet is to check for an updated BIOS.)

However, it is a mistake to leap from that to the assumption that this is the cause of any BSOD's you're seeing. I've only seen *one* BSOD that was conclusively demonstrated to be the result of a faulty BIOS. And I see plenty of BSODs. (Troubleshooting BSODs is part of my job.)

If you're getting blue screens, post the STOP code and the bugcheck parameters here and the AT members (myself included) can suggest possible causes and solutions.



<< It is people like you that make computers such a pain in the a$$. If you wouldn't flaunt your "knowledge", and actually try to help someone, we all would benefit greatly. >>


If you would post enough information for us to help you, you'd find other members more helpful. Again, in your first post you mentioned neither blue screens nor event log messages, and asked for answers that could not be supplied based on the information given.



<< Computers are complex. They are at time confusing and mysterious. Sometimes, we each need help from someone. >>


Agreed. But in order to get help, you must provide sufficient information to those from whom you are requesting help.



<< But not you...no, you know everything! >>


That's just an immature comeback.



<< Thank you for wasting my time and bandwith. >>


Look at your first post: did you give ANY of us enough information to help you? Then which one of us is wasting bandwidth?



<< I may not be MSCE certified, but I know a damn sight more than you give me credit for. My determination was based on first-hand acounts, and the opinion of AndyHui, who's opinion means something to me (he is a moderator, afterall). He has been most helpful to me in the past, and I value his knowledge. >>


Okay, but you didn't tell us that.

So, if you're ready to put temper tantrums aside, please explain the symptoms that you're observing, and you'll find plenty of folks here, myself included, who are both willing and able to help you determine why you're seeing those symptoms. But you need to be more specific than saying you're having "serious problems" and not indicating how you're arriving at your conclusions.
 
Uh... no BSOD will ever say ACPI BIOS was attempting to write to a protected memory area.
Text

That's an easy thing for you to say...you weren't lookin at my screen. I'm telling you that I saw the above message on a BSOD!

It's quite impossible to paste the message on this post...I got rid of XP. When I say got rid of, I mean totally, like in the $hitcan. It was a free upgrade anyhow, so no biggie.

I would like to give loads and loads of information, yet it wouldn't do any good. Inevitably, something is missing, something has been left out. It is next to impossible to completely diagnose a problem over a message board. I simply wanted a little info as to why XP sucked on my machine, and 2k works so well.

This should not become a pi$$ing contest. This thread is dead.

I am not b1tching about my system; for the first time since I built it, it finally works the way I want it to. I rely on my system to be functional when needed. With XP, the functionality wasn't there...for me.

Perhaps it is my own fault, maybe I picked the wrong parts, I don't know. Many times on this message board, members have criticized my choice in hardware. An opinion is like a bellybutton, everyone has one. I KNOW that for a measly $1100, I have a dual processor machine, with loads of RAM, a friggin' huge monitor, a fast CDRW, and lots of braggin' rights around here.

I would like to stop this little debacle. The next time I have a "boo-boo", I'll make sure to post the whole log file for you, so you, and some others, can evaluate my problem.

If I agree to this, you should agree to drop comments like "newbie" from your vocabulary around me. It is uncalled for in this situation. Perhaps I shouldn't have flown off the handle, but there is only one person who has the privlage of jumping my $hit, and I married her!
 
Hey, I had winXP and I went back to 2k. There was a noticeable increase in speed all around. I never had many bsods in XP but i had other problems with certain programs crashing constantly(internet explorer). I have no idea why win2k seems to be running faster than XP and I really couldnt give a rats ass why.
 
Jonitus, chill. I never used the work newbie. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

The fact is that you gave no information for us to help you.

And yes, I *can* say that your BSOD didn't say anything about the BIOS writing to a protected area. The only XP bugcodes that have the text "ACPI" in them are:

STOP 0xA3 (ACPI_DRIVER_INTERNAL)
STOP 0xA5 (ACPI_BIOS_ERROR)
STOP 0xE0 (ACPI_BIOS_FATAL_ERROR)

This is from bugcodes.txt, a public text file that lists all of the blue screen codes in Windows XP. None of them say anything about writing to a protected area.

The thing is, those numbers *mean* something. Granted, not many people have the resources to decipher these numbers, but if you post the numbers, those of us with the resources *can* look them up and see if we can get more info for you.

In any case, all three of these STOP codes would indicate that your BIOS is not fully ACPI compliant.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Back
Top