Whut we shutdown State Lottories

[boomerang]

Sure regular gambling will just take its place

Exactly, along with illegal gambling. The kind where Vinnie breaks your legs when you can't make the vig.

 

[DaveSimmons]

That is a separate issue to deal with. Mainly that legal gambling should be limited to games of skill only.

Nanny state. The state knows best, and should strictly control your access to red meat, sugar, naughty internet sites, violent video games. Want to post in P&N? Better get approval from the Thought Police first.

I'm not a libertarian, but I agree with preferring personal freedom and self responsibility to a paternal state that controls us "for our own good."

Improve access to mental health care and addiction treatment, don't make everything illegal because some people will be self-harmed by it.

 

[whm1974]

Nanny state. The state knows best, and should strictly control your access to red meat, sugar, naughty internet sites, violent video games. Want to post in P&N? Better get approval from the Thought Police first.

I'm not a libertarian, but I agree with preferring personal freedom and self responsibility to a paternal state that controls us "for our own good."

So do I. However if the actions and behaviors start negatively affecting other people then the State is justified to act.

 

[DaveSimmons]

So do I. However if the actions and behaviors start negatively affecting other people then the State is justified to act.

Yes, and you could make an argument that someone in subsidized housing could be (for example) required to attend simple money management classes to learn to handle their finances properly. If the people you see buying tickets understood how they were sabotaging themselves at least some of them would stop.

That seems like a better solution to me than outlawing lotteries.

It's the same to me as the failed War on Drugs. Legalize, tax, regulate, and (the part states fail at) put enough money into addiction treatment to help those people with addictive personalities.

 

[whm1974]

Yes, and you could make an argument that someone in subsidized housing could be (for example) required to attend simple money management classes to learn to handle their finances properly. If the people you see buying tickets understood how they were sabotaging themselves at least some of them would stop.

That seems like a better solution to me than outlawing lotteries.

It's the same to me as the failed War on Drugs. Legalize, tax, regulate, and (the part states fail at) put enough money into addiction treatment to help those people with addictive personalities.

Dude I'm just proposing that Fed and State lotteries be shutdown and disallowed. Not making all gambling illegal. And yes I think that mandatory money management classes is a good idea.

 

[outriding]

the title makes me think of this..

 

[realibrad]

Dude I'm just proposing that Fed and State lotteries be shutdown and disallowed. Not making all gambling illegal. And yes I think that mandatory money management classes is a good idea.

The history of this shows why it would not work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_game

Things got so bad that the state stepped in and created their own game and made it illegal to play any non state owned games. Just like prohibition and abortion, if you try and ban this stuff, you push it underground.

At best you could probably increase regulation, but that wont get you where you want it to be.

 

[Viper1j]

I wasn't aware that IL did this. Of course I haven't brought a single lotto ticket in my life and I'm not going to.

Until your neighbor wins $52 million.

 

[whm1974]

Until your neighbor wins $52 million.

The odds of that are slim to none. I'm limit my gambling to buying raffle ticket for certain fundraising. I would buy stocks or bonds but I would most likely effect my housing due to HUD rules.

 

[Moonbeam]

The way to win the lottery is to promise God you are going to use the money for good. Once you win you can think more deeply how satisfying all the lusts in the form of material things self hate has left you feeling that if you could visibly manifest ownership of them to others would be the real good you feel life has to offer.

If I remember I think the next time I find myself at a place that sells them, not very often as it happens, I’ll buy one and burn it. Perhaps there is more than one way to win.

 

[whm1974]

The way to win the lottery is to promise God you are going to use the money for good. Once you win you can think more deeply how satisfying all the lusts in the form of material things self hate has left you feeling that if you could visibly manifest ownership of them to others would be the real good you feel life has to offer.

If I remember I think the next time I find myself at a place that sells them, not very often as it happens, I’ll buy one and burn it. Perhaps there is more than one way to win.

Why would someone such as myself who doesn't believe in any god promise any god that we would only do good with the winnings to begin with? Of course that also raises the question of what if said god definition of "good" only means that which that benefits him and not any reasonable human person meaning of good?

 

[Moonbeam]

Why would someone such as myself who doesn't believe in any god promise any god that we would only do good with the winnings to begin with? Of course that also raises the question of what if said god definition of "good" only means that which that benefits him and not any reasonable human person meaning of good?

The answer to the first is that you are not perhaps honestly self reflective and certainly not rational. The answer to the second is that you are not reasonable. Alternatively, think of what I said as my self awareness of the superstition that accompanies self consciousness, the sense of being at cause for the first and how the ego would manifest if I won. You may believe your mileage varies but I tend to think we are all the same and I have maybe seen more of who I am.

 

[whm1974]

The answer to the first is that you are not perhaps honestly self reflective and certainly not rational. The answer to the second is that you are not reasonable. Alternatively, think of what I said as my self awareness of the superstition that accompanies self consciousness, the sense of being at cause for the first and how the ego would manifest if I won. You may believe your mileage varies but I tend to think we are all the same and I have maybe seen more of who I am.

Just how am I not being rational or reasonable? There is not even weak evidence that any god exist and why would why any god that does exist have to be moral or good all?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The correct spelling of lottery, is lootery, a tax on those bad at math.

Best I heard is that it's a tax on the uneducated for the educated

(since lottery funds for a lot of states go towards education)

 

[whm1974]

Best I heard is that it's a tax on the uneducated for the educated

(since lottery funds for a lot of states go towards education)

And the States cut funding from other sources... So in reality the Lotto doesn't really provide anymore funding that didn't already exist before.

 

[Moonbeam]

Just how am I not being rational or reasonable? There is not even weak evidence that any god exist and why would why any god that does exist have to be moral or good all?

You are not being rational because it is irrational to think that believing in rationality actually means that you are. This is why perfectly rational people like baseball pitchers can’t throw a strike if they wash their socks. It is possible that you may have allowed a contempt for certain common aspects of human nature to cloud who you think you are.

And this doesn’t even touch on the fact that the god you don’t believe in has nothing to do with the God that actually does beyond any question of doubt.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

And the States cut funding from other sources... So in reality the Lotto doesn't really provide anymore funding that didn't already exist before.

It's ok dude. You can like my post. You don't have to be scared

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Never bought a lottery ticket in my life, never plan to do it. Playing the lottery is stupid as hell.

 

[nickqt]

Never bought a lottery ticket in my life, never plan to do it. Playing the lottery is stupid as hell.

Tell that to the people who never played, then played on a whim and won tens/hundred/thousands/millions of dollars.

The lottery is a fool's tax. Trying to ban it is like trying to ban soda, or popsicles, or whatever thing that doesn't hurt anyone but the person doing it to excess.

A waste of time.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Tell that to the people who never played, then played on a whim and won tens/hundred/thousands/millions of dollars.

How would I tell anyone that? I don't know anyone who has won a jackpot. It would be like meeting someone who got struck by lightning twice.

 

[whm1974]

Tell that to the people who never played, then played on a whim and won tens/hundred/thousands/millions of dollars.

The lottery is a fool's tax. Trying to ban it is like trying to ban soda, or popsicles, or whatever thing that doesn't hurt anyone but the person doing it to excess.

A waste of time.

I'm talking about not allowing the states or the Fed from having Lotteries.

 

[whm1974]

How would I tell anyone that? I don't know anyone who has won a jackpot. It would be like meeting someone who got struck by lightning twice.

You are more likely to meet someone who been hit by lightening twice. It is more common then you think.

 

[nickqt]

I'm talking about not allowing the states or the Fed from having Lotteries.

Right, so new lotteries will operate the same way they did before the states took it away from the criminals?

 

[nickqt]

How would I tell anyone that? I don't know anyone who has won a jackpot. It would be like meeting someone who got struck by lightning twice.

So are you trying to imply that there's just, like, no one, who has won thousands or millions of dollars in the lottery? Or are you trying to be especially obtuse in regards to the fact that there are people who've won the lottery and didn't waste their entire paychecks to do it?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

So are you trying to imply that there's just, like, no one, who has won thousands or millions of dollars in the lottery? Or are you trying to be especially obtuse in regards to the fact that there are people who've won the lottery and didn't waste their entire paychecks to do it?

I'm implying it's exceedingly rare to win a jackpot in the millions.