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Who's to blame for governhment overspending?

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werepossum

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I am also underspending. But I am not the government. We need government to keep spending when consumers pull back.
WTF?
1. I don't want to spend my money.
2. I want someone else to spend money, knowing that my money will be taken to pay those bills.

Do you see nothing wrong with that?
 

theeedude

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Feb 5, 2006
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WTF?
1. I don't want to spend my money.
2. I want someone else to spend money, knowing that my money will be taken to pay those bills.

Do you see nothing wrong with that?

OK, what you desire will be given to you next year, when GOP blocks additional stimulus. We'll see how you like it then.
 

bfdd

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I like to blame both parties and politicians as a whole. I mean it's not like either party is really any different except to the blind ideologues.
 

bfdd

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I'm going to go with: Voters

I was going to agree with you BoberFett, but I just couldn't. Politicians have done way to much sneaky shit to it be on us. How many politicians have said one thing and done another? Pretty much all of them and most the time it costs us tons of money.
 

Mursilis

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I was going to agree with you BoberFett, but I just couldn't. Politicians have done way to much sneaky shit to it be on us. How many politicians have said one thing and done another? Pretty much all of them and most the time it costs us tons of money.

Yes, but a) who put them there, and b) who made thier positions so powerful? This is still a democracy, and we have the gov't we deserve and desire.
 

Cogman

Lifer
Sep 19, 2000
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Yes, but a) who put them there, and b) who made thier positions so powerful? This is still a democracy, and we have the gov't we deserve and desire.

A) Depends. Right now, it is whatever the old red dogs or blue dogs want. Half the battle is greasing the wheels of the GOP/DNC.
B) This one ain't on the voter (unless you count the 1787 representatives as voters). Congress/the senate have as much power as they want to give themselves. With so many bills that change their purpose frequently, is it any wonder the common folk can't follow what their own congressman is voting on?
 

Darwin333

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Dec 11, 2006
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I am also underspending. But I am not the government. We need government to keep spending when consumers pull back.

Since the consumer isn't coming back anytime soon, short of blowing another housing/credit bubble, the .gov can't possibly spend enough to replace that demand until they come back.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
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WTF?
1. I don't want to spend my money.
2. I want someone else to spend money, knowing that my money will be taken to pay those bills.

Do you see nothing wrong with that?

You got it all wrong. It is more like:

1. I don't want to spend my money.
2. I want someone else to spend someone elses money.
 

Mursilis

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B) This one ain't on the voter (unless you count the 1787 representatives as voters). Congress/the senate have as much power as they want to give themselves.

That's not completely true - the gov't has grown because we want it to grow, to address even the most minor problems. I remember a poll in one of the news magazines during the '92 presidential campaign which showed affordable child daycare was a top-3 issue among women voters. Daycare?!? That's really a federal issue?!?! If it is, then the separations and limitations on federal powers within the Constitution are truly meaningless.
 

Cogman

Lifer
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That's not completely true - the gov't has grown because we want it to grow, to address even the most minor problems. I remember a poll in one of the news magazines during the '92 presidential campaign which showed affordable child daycare was a top-3 issue among women voters. Daycare?!? That's really a federal issue?!?! If it is, then the separations and limitations on federal powers within the Constitution are truly meaningless.

It isn't completely false either. over 60% of voters were opposed the the health care bill, yet it passed anyways. That was a big issue that got lots of national coverage, what do you think happens to little issues that get no coverage? They slide right through.