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Who's the real jerk here?

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SlitheryDee

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The red car is driving like a jerk. He's clearly going way faster than the rest of the traffic (as judged by the speed at which he's passing cars on the right). That pass on the shoulder is also illegal. The guy tailgating him is a moron though. This is why people talk about safe driving distances and all that.
 
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Smoblikat

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The red car is driving like a jerk. He's clearly going way faster than the rest of the traffic (as judged by the speed at which he's passing cars on the right). That pass on the shoulder is also illegal. The guy tailgating him is a moron though. This is why people talk about safe driving distances and all that.

The only vehicles we have for reference weight 20 times more than the red car (Semi trucks), and the camera car was keeping pace with him just fine.....his speed doesnt seem excessive at all. I dont think he meant to pass on the shoulder, it looks like he was trying to avoid that several thousand pound object in the middle of the road....but what do I know?
 

Exterous

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The red car is driving like a jerk. He's clearly going way faster than the rest of the traffic (as judged by the speed at which he's passing cars on the right).

You mean the single semi on the road? The other two are on an on\off ramp

That pass on the shoulder is also illegal.

I agree. He should have rear-ended him instead of passing him illegally
 
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NetWareHead

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The red car is driving like a jerk. He's clearly going way faster than the rest of the traffic (as judged by the speed at which he's passing cars on the right). That pass on the shoulder is also illegal. The guy tailgating him is a moron though. This is why people talk about safe driving distances and all that.

The pass on the shoulder was arguably made to avoid an accident; to maneuver around an unexpectedly stopped car on a highway. I would be reluctant to call it a "pass". Its an evasive maneuver IMO.

Agree with the filming vehicle tailgating he red one.

Speed limit on this road cant be determined from this short video clip, entirely possible red car was obeying road laws.
 

edro

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Camera car should have been looking through red car's windows to see brake lights and fast approaching car ahead.
 

SlitheryDee

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The only vehicles we have for reference weight 20 times more than the red car (Semi trucks), and the camera car was keeping pace with him just fine.....his speed doesnt seem excessive at all. I dont think he meant to pass on the shoulder, it looks like he was trying to avoid that several thousand pound object in the middle of the road....but what do I know?

Why was he following so closely that it took such a maneuver to avoid it though? It was clearly a lapse of attention on the road in front of him. He was keeping pace with the semi after the crash because he was rubbernecking, looking back at the accident he had a hand in causing. Before that he was clearly going much faster. The car stopped in the road shares in the blame too. Not as much as the person in the moving car that should be looking out for objects in his path or the person who should be allowing enough space to react to the car in front of him though. I'm of the mindset that if I am driving down a road and hit something that was in the road in front of me, that is ALWAYS my fault in some way, form, or fashion.
 
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Kind of looks like the car that got hit had his hazard lights on but if you're having car trouble GTFO of the left lane.
 

SamQuint

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The camera car was driving too fast and not giving enough space between him and the car in front of him.

If the camera car had a safe driving distance then he would have had time to react to the red car hitting his breaks. He would have been able to break or maneuver his car around the slow or disabled car just like the red car.

You should be looking 2 or 3 cars ahead of you anyways to avoid this kind of thing. If he could not see 2-3 cars ahead then he should have left more space between him and the other car.
 

Possessed Freak

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Looks like that car who stopped was trying to take that exit, which is one of the most ridiculous things I keep seeing on the expressway. Admit you screwed up, get off at the next one.

2-4 second rule would not have saved the cam car though. Safe driving distances does not mean that you can stop in the distance between cars. Such a gap would be huge at that speed. The cam car was screwed. The lead car *could* have given the following car a heads up like slowing down, four-ways, etc. But instead, it looked like a typical Eastern European driving cam: STAY ON THE GAS.
 

WelshBloke

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Why was he following so closely that it took such a maneuver to avoid it though? It was clearly a lapse of attention on the road in front of him. He was keeping pace with the semi after the crash because he was rubbernecking, looking back at the accident he had a hand in causing. Before that he was clearly going much faster. The car stopped in the road shares in the blame too. Not as much as the person in the moving car that should be looking out for objects in his path or the person who should be allowing enough space to react to the car in front of him though. I'm of the mindset that if I am driving down a road and hit something that was in the road in front of me, that is ALWAYS my fault in some way, form, or fashion.

You dont know if the gray, stationary car had just slapped on the anchors and the red car had to take evasive action. If the stationary car had stopped just because he's an idiot (hadn't broken down) then he's a jerk. The car that rammed him is a jerk for following the red car too closely. The guy in the red cars only a jerk if he drives off going "Ha ha! Fuck you!".
 
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I think it's important to know why the read-ended car was stopped in the middle of the highway. There should be no reason for a car to just be stopped like that, unless his car was absolutely dead and couldn't be moved.

The camera car is also at fault since he was driving too closely to the red car.

The red car probably should have passed sooner, rather than at the last second. I don't know why he waited till the last minute. Could be that he didn't pay attention and didn't see the stopped car until the last second.
 

NetWareHead

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Why was he following so closely that it took such a maneuver to avoid it though? It was clearly a lapse of attention on the road in front of him. He was keeping pace with the semi after the crash because he was rubbernecking, looking back at the accident he had a hand in causing.

After the accident, he is keeping up with the truck because he had to brake and slow down so hard. After clearing the stopped car he slowed down to the speed of the blue truck. He matches the speed of the blue truck immediately at the time of the accident due to his slow-down, not because of rubbernecking.


Before that he was clearly going much faster. The car stopped in the road shares in the blame too. Not as much as the person in the moving car that should be looking out for objects in his path or the person who should be allowing enough space to react to the car in front of him though. I'm of the mindset that if I am driving down a road and hit something that was in the road in front of me, that is ALWAYS my fault in some way, form, or fashion.

Absolutely agree. This is why the filming car is at fault. The red car moved out of the way and the filming car was caught by surprise and rear ended the disabled vehicle. I dont see how any of this blame can be assigned to the red car. Perhaps some % of blame can be assigned to the disabled vehicle too for dying in the fast lane of a highway.
 

cbrunny

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The real jerk is the guy in the silver car that rolls around the accident right before the gif resets. Buddy doesn't even stop to help or nothing. What an ass.
 

waffleironhead

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1) car stopped in traffic: hard to say how much of a jerk without knowing why they were stopped.
2) car that avoided accident: 0% jerk.
3) cam car: 100% jerk.
 

edro

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The real jerk is the guy in the silver car that rolls around the accident right before the gif resets. Buddy doesn't even stop to help or nothing. What an ass.
Stop, get out of car, get ran over.
 

angminas

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1) car stopped in traffic: hard to say how much of a jerk without knowing why they were stopped.
2) car that avoided accident: 0% jerk.
3) cam car: 100% jerk.

1 and 3 are correct. However, 2 was following too closely. Even after it slams on its brakes, it's still going 30-40 mph. What if there was no shoulder? What if there were pedestrians there? There would have been no way to avoid hitting something, which is why they call it following too closely.

Actually not really anyone i guess. Shit happens.

Sell your car, cut up your license, and stay off the road.
 

zinfamous

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The red car is driving like a jerk. He's clearly going way faster than the rest of the traffic (as judged by the speed at which he's passing cars on the right). That pass on the shoulder is also illegal. The guy tailgating him is a moron though. This is why people talk about safe driving distances and all that.

at first, I hate red car. The more I think about it though, dude tailgating red car is no worse, and I have to give props to red car for avoiding that collision. He wasn't passing him on the shoulder so much as avoiding--yes, would have been red car's fault, but whenever you pump your breaks to piss-off a tailgater, you are also taking a risk. Red car wins this round.
 
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1 and 3 are correct. However, 2 was following too closely. Even after it slams on its brakes, it's still going 30-40 mph. What if there was no shoulder? What if there were pedestrians there? There would have been no way to avoid hitting something, which is why they call it following too closely.



Sell your car, cut up your license, and stay off the road.

Lol your the one coming up with conclusions based on not enough info. Most likely the car that got rear-ended is at fault. My guess as someone else mentioned they probably slammed the brakes to try to hit the exit they missed. Thus causing red car to swerve and camera car to rear-end car he couldn't see till last second.
 

KlokWyze

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It's probably technically cam car's fault due to lack of distance between him and the car ahead. I don't think he's a "major" jerk necessarily. Riding people's asses is excusable in certain scenarios. We'll assume he's at least partial jerk in this situation.

It may technically be the extremely-slow/stopped car's fault depending on why they were doing so. I bet it's because they missed their exit. In that case they are beyond jerks and are just complete dumbass pieces of shit risking other people's lives for their own self-created inconvenience of missing their exit. These are the worst drivers besides maybe fleeing suspects and DUI's... and minivan drivers of course. Scumbags.

Red car is perfectly OK even if they were speeding IMO.