Who's the real jerk here?

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purbeast0

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Sep 13, 2001
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Guy who got hit for stopping in road in first place :p

Actually not really anyone i guess. Shit happens.

shit rarely happens. 99.99% of accidents are because someone is being an idiot and/or not paying attention. in this case all 3 were idiots, but the car going slow as shit was the real idiot.
 

pauldun170

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Sep 26, 2011
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Agree with the filming vehicle tailgating he red one.

The camera car was driving too fast and not giving enough space between him and the car in front of him.

1) car stopped in traffic: hard to say how much of a jerk without knowing why they were stopped.
2) car that avoided accident: 0% jerk.
3) cam car: 100% jerk.

I've seen the scenario in the film plenty of times.
Car stopped in lane.
Traffic in front lets, even with everyone following 2 second rule obscures view of car and its only at the last second where you are able to see the stopped car (its only after the person in front you changes lanes where the car just pops up out of nowhere).
It happens and no one needs to be the bad guy for something like this to happen.
The stopped car could have lost power and been boxed in, preventing them from moving over or they were stopped in traffic and the car died.

The red car could have just pulled out for a passing maneuver on the truck only to be met with a surprise in the middle of the road.

With only the gif to go by, the only person driving like a jerk is the cam car.
 

angminas

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Lol your the one coming up with conclusions based on not enough info. Most likely the car that got rear-ended is at fault. My guess as someone else mentioned they probably slammed the brakes to try to hit the exit they missed. Thus causing red car to swerve and camera car to rear-end car he couldn't see till last second.

Camera car was following red car too closely at that speed. If it had been at a safe distance, the "accident" wouldn't have happened. Which is why they call it following too closely.

Now, the lead car- that's harder to say, but odds are 99% they fucked up. Would need some pretty specific circumstances for them not to be at fault.
 

cbrunny

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Oct 12, 2007
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I've seen the scenario in the film plenty of times.
Car stopped in lane.
Traffic in front lets, even with everyone following 2 second rule obscures view of car and its only at the last second where you are able to see the stopped car (its only after the person in front you changes lanes where the car just pops up out of nowhere).
It happens and no one needs to be the bad guy for something like this to happen.
The stopped car could have lost power and been boxed in, preventing them from moving over or they were stopped in traffic and the car died.

The red car could have just pulled out for a passing maneuver on the truck only to be met with a surprise in the middle of the road.

With only the gif to go by, the only person driving like a jerk is the cam car.

cam car is in the wrong, obviously. There's no way he was following the 2 second rule. not even close.
 

SlitheryDee

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Feb 2, 2005
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I've seen the scenario in the film plenty of times.
Car stopped in lane.
Traffic in front lets, even with everyone following 2 second rule obscures view of car and its only at the last second where you are able to see the stopped car (its only after the person in front you changes lanes where the car just pops up out of nowhere).
It happens and no one needs to be the bad guy for something like this to happen.
The stopped car could have lost power and been boxed in, preventing them from moving over or they were stopped in traffic and the car died.

The red car could have just pulled out for a passing maneuver on the truck only to be met with a surprise in the middle of the road.

With only the gif to go by, the only person driving like a jerk is the cam car.

The only way someone isn't at fault here is if their brakes failed without warning. Even that can be placed on their shoulders if they've been neglecting get them checked periodically. A car accident where someone isn't to blame, either through recklessness, inattentiveness, or negligence, is such a rarity that people generally are justified in looking for a culprit. Just because it happens .01% of the time doesn't mean we have to give that possibility equal consideration.

Thinking about it objectively, I really blame all the cars. I'm prone to internalizing everything that happens to me. Instead of looking at the other guy, I always tend to blame myself first. If I were in the stopped car I would blame myself for not coasting out of the road when I recognized that my car was failing and for not getting my car checked out to keep it from failing in the first place. If I were in the red car, I would blame myself for not paying enough attention to the road or leaving enough space in front of me to brake to a controlled stop when I saw the stopped car, thus telegraphing my intentions to the car behind me. If I were in the grey car I would blame myself for following too closely behind the red car. If each had done something a bit differently the accident could have been avoided.

I think the most important thing to remember is that when you are behind the wheel, YOU are ultimately the only person who can guarantee your safety. If you never do anything that depends on the actions of other motorists to be considered safe, you never put your safety in the hands of anyone else. The red car was depending on no one being stopped in the middle of the road. The grey car was depending on the red car not doing anything sudden. The stopped car was depending on everyone in the road paying enough attention to avoid hitting them. In a way, all of them made the same mistake.
 
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zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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this is the reason why self driving cars will never take off.

this doesn't make any sense. The idea behind self-driving cars is that they remove the one factor that is responsible for 98% of all crashes: humans.

No self-driving car in this scenario would have been following too closely, driving too slow in the improper lane, and allowing ample distance to react in time to a random occurrence.

so: cam car wouldn't be driving like an ass, following too close to red car and red car wouldn't be following too close to Mister woodchips. Mister stop-in-lane woodchips car would not have been in that lane, let alone at that speed.
 

JulesMaximus

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Man, that looks like a setup if I ever saw one. Why the fuck was the silver car stopped on the freeway? :colbert:
 

slag

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Man, that looks like a setup if I ever saw one. Why the fuck was the silver car stopped on the freeway? :colbert:

We don't know and probably won't know why it was stopped. It might have broken down. The driver could have had a seizure. Either way, the cam car was following too closely and did not allow enough time to avoid the accident. The cam car would be given a ticket and, following an investigation, the stationary car could be cited for specific reasons. Either way, the cam car is following too closely and did not allow enough time to avoid the accident.
 

JulesMaximus

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We don't know and probably won't know why it was stopped. It might have broken down. The driver could have had a seizure. Either way, the cam car was following too closely and did not allow enough time to avoid the accident. The cam car would be given a ticket and, following an investigation, the stationary car could be cited for specific reasons. Either way, the cam car is following too closely and did not allow enough time to avoid the accident.

Of that there is no doubt.
 

BurnItDwn

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Oct 10, 1999
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the car that stopped in the left is most likely a jerk (unless he has a smashed deer in his windshield that you cant see or something like that)

the red car should was not driving appropriatly given the obstruction in the road

The last car was following too close, I was taught always to drive with minimum 2 second following distance.
 
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Ok. Lets just say they are all at fault equally. Stopped/slowed car for being dumb, red car for following to closely that he had to swerve at very last second and camera car also for following to closely to red car.
 

WHAMPOM

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Feb 28, 2006
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Man, that looks like a setup if I ever saw one. Why the fuck was the silver car stopped on the freeway? :colbert:

"cause he was gonna backup and turn off on the exit he missed. Seen it done, even backing up a whole exit ramp (WTF)to get back on the highway.
 

monkeydelmagico

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Whoever put 100's of loose apples in the silver car's trunk is the real jerk. Who the hell backs up to an apple tree and just starts hucking them in the trunk? The apples rolled around and got all lodged under the accelerator causing the crash.